Riders not paying?!

Chris_Cooksey 10/20/2019 8:51am
10/20/2019 8:51am
ElliotB16 wrote:
So where do you draw the line on who pays and who doesn’t?
Boomslang wrote:
Everyone pays! The tracks need the revenue in order to remain open.
Running a track is one of the most difficult, thankless and low profit businesses around. Everyone needs to pay! Pro riders in particular who make a living because weekend warriors purchase products from their employers.. Tracks are the heartbeat of the sport and should NEVER should be cheated or disrespected.
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Moto520 10/20/2019 9:02am
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Chris_Cooksey wrote:
Running a track is one of the most difficult, thankless and low profit businesses around. Everyone needs to pay! Pro riders in particular who make a...
Running a track is one of the most difficult, thankless and low profit businesses around. Everyone needs to pay! Pro riders in particular who make a living because weekend warriors purchase products from their employers.. Tracks are the heartbeat of the sport and should NEVER should be cheated or disrespected.
Completely agree. I’m sure the kid knows he messed up.
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mx617 10/20/2019 9:27am
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rohleder644 wrote:
I love the “you can write that off” line. A tax write off is a 30% discount, not a freebie. People are clueless. *totally not even...
I love the “you can write that off” line. A tax write off is a 30% discount, not a freebie. People are clueless.

*totally not even referencing this thread. Not saying anyone was saying that. Your comment just struck me.
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Your comment that "A tax write off is a 30% discount" isn't accurate either.
How so?
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piscokid 10/20/2019 10:32am
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zippytech wrote:
We have a local track the guy basically has a box, that you print and sign a sheet and put 10 bucks in to ride day...
We have a local track the guy basically has a box, that you print and sign a sheet and put 10 bucks in to ride day light to dark and offers free camping.

And believe it or not I hear guys says they get there gas money from the box.. unbelievable.
From Ohio, were is this track you speak of?

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avidchimp 10/20/2019 10:33am
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This thread is full of shit. Milestone does not need any publicity. They need paying customers who will keep the place open.
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rohleder644 wrote:
I love the “you can write that off” line. A tax write off is a 30% discount, not a freebie. People are clueless. *totally not even...
I love the “you can write that off” line. A tax write off is a 30% discount, not a freebie. People are clueless.

*totally not even referencing this thread. Not saying anyone was saying that. Your comment just struck me.
KHI Guy wrote:
Your comment that "A tax write off is a 30% discount" isn't accurate either.
mx617 wrote:
How so?
A business related expense that can be a tax write off is not free or a discount.

Say you make $30,000 in taxable income in the year. You pay a % if taxes based off that income. So for examples sake if you pay 10% in taxes you owe $3,000 in taxes.

But if you have $5,000 in business expenses that can be deducted on your taxes your taxable i come is now $25,000, so you would owe $2,500 in taxes.

And there’s hundreds of other rules that could change this scenario. Which is why professional athletes probably hire their taxes done, while the average joe takes the standard deductions.
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mx617 10/20/2019 11:03am
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Hoks wrote:
A business related expense that can be a tax write off is not free or a discount. Say you make $30,000 in taxable income in the...
A business related expense that can be a tax write off is not free or a discount.

Say you make $30,000 in taxable income in the year. You pay a % if taxes based off that income. So for examples sake if you pay 10% in taxes you owe $3,000 in taxes.

But if you have $5,000 in business expenses that can be deducted on your taxes your taxable i come is now $25,000, so you would owe $2,500 in taxes.

And there’s hundreds of other rules that could change this scenario. Which is why professional athletes probably hire their taxes done, while the average joe takes the standard deductions.
Your math is good, that's why it's a discount. You're paying with pre-tax dollars instead of after tax. Another way to look at it would be your $5000 in business expenses actually only cost $4500 after the tax reduction.
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jcp411 10/20/2019 11:11am
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Starts with someone not paying to ride and ends with accountants talking about taxes.....forums gotta love em!!
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Racer111 10/20/2019 11:14am
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If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday morning and fired. Period!

Garrett displayed 3 things I personally do not tolerate. Thievery, bad attitude/non-professionalism and sense of entitlement. That’s not being an immature 17 year old. Those are character traits. He would be DONE riding/working for me as I would t want anyone in my camp with those traits.
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Hoks 10/20/2019 11:29am
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Hoks wrote:
A business related expense that can be a tax write off is not free or a discount. Say you make $30,000 in taxable income in the...
A business related expense that can be a tax write off is not free or a discount.

Say you make $30,000 in taxable income in the year. You pay a % if taxes based off that income. So for examples sake if you pay 10% in taxes you owe $3,000 in taxes.

But if you have $5,000 in business expenses that can be deducted on your taxes your taxable i come is now $25,000, so you would owe $2,500 in taxes.

And there’s hundreds of other rules that could change this scenario. Which is why professional athletes probably hire their taxes done, while the average joe takes the standard deductions.
mx617 wrote:
Your math is good, that's why it's a discount. You're paying with pre-tax dollars instead of after tax. Another way to look at it would be...
Your math is good, that's why it's a discount. You're paying with pre-tax dollars instead of after tax. Another way to look at it would be your $5000 in business expenses actually only cost $4500 after the tax reduction.
Ok, you could say it’s a discount I suppose. But in the reference of “it’s a 30% discount” is not an accurate statement either. I don’t know what the new standard deduction is with the new tax laws, but with the old one they’d have to have over $12,500 in business expenses before it kicks in and becomes a benefit. With the new tax laws I wanna say it’s over $25,000 (tax bracket depending etc.)

My point is it’s just not a discount. When tax time rolls around you can add it to your deductions and maybe get your taxes lowered... but to say it’s a “30% discount or free” is just not correct.

But hey whatever, i don’t care about other people’s taxes just trying to shed some light if you didn’t know.
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Hoks 10/20/2019 11:30am
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Racer111 wrote:
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday...
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday morning and fired. Period!

Garrett displayed 3 things I personally do not tolerate. Thievery, bad attitude/non-professionalism and sense of entitlement. That’s not being an immature 17 year old. Those are character traits. He would be DONE riding/working for me as I would t want anyone in my camp with those traits.
But nobody actually knows if it was him, it’s all speculation here. Don’t start judging the dudes character on rumors.
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Racer111 10/20/2019 11:44am
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Racer111 wrote:
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday...
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday morning and fired. Period!

Garrett displayed 3 things I personally do not tolerate. Thievery, bad attitude/non-professionalism and sense of entitlement. That’s not being an immature 17 year old. Those are character traits. He would be DONE riding/working for me as I would t want anyone in my camp with those traits.
Hoks wrote:
But nobody actually knows if it was him, it’s all speculation here. Don’t start judging the dudes character on rumors.
What’s the 1st sentence say in my post?
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Red Crawford 10/20/2019 12:05pm
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I dunno. Even at 17, I knew not to piss off the track operator and sign-up lady...... 😄
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Hoks 10/20/2019 12:15pm
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Racer111 wrote:
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday...
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday morning and fired. Period!

Garrett displayed 3 things I personally do not tolerate. Thievery, bad attitude/non-professionalism and sense of entitlement. That’s not being an immature 17 year old. Those are character traits. He would be DONE riding/working for me as I would t want anyone in my camp with those traits.
Hoks wrote:
But nobody actually knows if it was him, it’s all speculation here. Don’t start judging the dudes character on rumors.
Racer111 wrote:
What’s the 1st sentence say in my post?
Your second paragraph starts with “Garrett displayed”. You are directly attacking his character there.
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stremme12 wrote:
Considering his first name was never mentioned I'd say you know who he is.
cody41 wrote:
It was a joke bro... playing along with comment in the post...
stremme12 wrote:
It was a bad joke.......bro.
No, it was a good joke.
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Hoks wrote:
A business related expense that can be a tax write off is not free or a discount. Say you make $30,000 in taxable income in the...
A business related expense that can be a tax write off is not free or a discount.

Say you make $30,000 in taxable income in the year. You pay a % if taxes based off that income. So for examples sake if you pay 10% in taxes you owe $3,000 in taxes.

But if you have $5,000 in business expenses that can be deducted on your taxes your taxable i come is now $25,000, so you would owe $2,500 in taxes.

And there’s hundreds of other rules that could change this scenario. Which is why professional athletes probably hire their taxes done, while the average joe takes the standard deductions.
mx617 wrote:
Your math is good, that's why it's a discount. You're paying with pre-tax dollars instead of after tax. Another way to look at it would be...
Your math is good, that's why it's a discount. You're paying with pre-tax dollars instead of after tax. Another way to look at it would be your $5000 in business expenses actually only cost $4500 after the tax reduction.
Hoks wrote:
Ok, you could say it’s a discount I suppose. But in the reference of “it’s a 30% discount” is not an accurate statement either. I don’t...
Ok, you could say it’s a discount I suppose. But in the reference of “it’s a 30% discount” is not an accurate statement either. I don’t know what the new standard deduction is with the new tax laws, but with the old one they’d have to have over $12,500 in business expenses before it kicks in and becomes a benefit. With the new tax laws I wanna say it’s over $25,000 (tax bracket depending etc.)

My point is it’s just not a discount. When tax time rolls around you can add it to your deductions and maybe get your taxes lowered... but to say it’s a “30% discount or free” is just not correct.

But hey whatever, i don’t care about other people’s taxes just trying to shed some light if you didn’t know.
Haha one of you have no idea how to structure a business... especially if Uncle Sam does a audit.
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wisey 10/20/2019 1:30pm
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The truck blowing out of the place did NOT have a green bike in the back. So... the take away here should be:

Respect other people’s property, policies and don’t force them to have to be “the asshole”.
Follow the rules!
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Dirtydeeds 10/20/2019 2:12pm
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wisey wrote:
The truck blowing out of the place did NOT have a green bike in the back. So... the take away here should be: Respect other people’s...
The truck blowing out of the place did NOT have a green bike in the back. So... the take away here should be:

Respect other people’s property, policies and don’t force them to have to be “the asshole”.
Follow the rules!
Fuck it I’ll bite... what color was it?

All seriousness aside, I really don’t give a shit who it was. “Pay yer effin bills B!”
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lostboy819 10/20/2019 2:15pm
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Racer111 wrote:
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday...
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday morning and fired. Period!

Garrett displayed 3 things I personally do not tolerate. Thievery, bad attitude/non-professionalism and sense of entitlement. That’s not being an immature 17 year old. Those are character traits. He would be DONE riding/working for me as I would t want anyone in my camp with those traits.
That is why you will never be in Mitch Paytons position or any other top level position.
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Shawn142 10/20/2019 2:22pm
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Racer111 wrote:
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday...
If this is true and I were in Mitch Payton’s position and found out my rider acted in this manner, he would be called in Monday morning and fired. Period!

Garrett displayed 3 things I personally do not tolerate. Thievery, bad attitude/non-professionalism and sense of entitlement. That’s not being an immature 17 year old. Those are character traits. He would be DONE riding/working for me as I would t want anyone in my camp with those traits.
Hoks wrote:
But nobody actually knows if it was him, it’s all speculation here. Don’t start judging the dudes character on rumors.
Racer111 wrote:
What’s the 1st sentence say in my post?
Your first sentence is what's wrong with this thread since this kid's name got thrown out there. You're at least passively assessing guilt based on 3rd part hear-say and giving your opinion about it. Then your second paragraph just drops all pretense of it being anyone else and you go straight into what's wrong with a kid you've never met and know nothing about. So how about we all STFU with dragging anyone's name through the mud without at least a shred of real proof.
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zippytech wrote:
We have a local track the guy basically has a box, that you print and sign a sheet and put 10 bucks in to ride day...
We have a local track the guy basically has a box, that you print and sign a sheet and put 10 bucks in to ride day light to dark and offers free camping.

And believe it or not I hear guys says they get there gas money from the box.. unbelievable.
piscokid wrote:
From Ohio, were is this track you speak of?
I believe it's Lightning in Tippecanoe, Ohio
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CarlinoJoeVideo 10/20/2019 9:14pm
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Just a heads up Milestone took down their post. No update from confirmed source on who the rider was. All speculation.
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Helda 10/20/2019 10:22pm
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CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
Just a heads up Milestone took down their post. No update from confirmed source on who the rider was. All speculation.
I seen there was a guy claiming to show the receipt that said the rider could ride the SX track...my guess is he was true to his word and produced it.
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Agreed. The entire sport of motocross is advertised by product endorsement via pro riders. IMO track owner did the wrong thing from a business stance over the long haul. Am I more inclined to ride at Milestone cuz track owner got his money or because pro riders endorse his track and work?
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moscrop940 10/20/2019 11:21pm
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MX76er wrote:
Agreed. The entire sport of motocross is advertised by product endorsement via pro riders. IMO track owner did the wrong thing from a business stance over...
Agreed. The entire sport of motocross is advertised by product endorsement via pro riders. IMO track owner did the wrong thing from a business stance over the long haul. Am I more inclined to ride at Milestone cuz track owner got his money or because pro riders endorse his track and work?
Having a factory rider show up to a track in the middle of nowhere very well may drive up entries to said track on that particular day, but not in SoCal. Especially not at a SoCal track that has a track SPECIFICALLY MADE FOR PROS.

No one is above paying for a service, unless the person providing said service decides to comp it...

I am truly surprised one person, let alone multiple people, in here has the opinion that the track owner should have comped whomever this rider was.

Having grown up in Southern California, never once has any single rider dictated where I was going to ride that day, and I’d be willing to bet $100 bucks that 95% of others in the area feel the same....for some of you to speak with the owners wallet and say you’d let this guy ride for free is nothing short of nearsighted and disingenuous.
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KW62 10/21/2019 5:40am
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CivBars wrote:
I guess it's all subjective
Forty wrote:
Yeah man. Not to jump the thread but even $40 is fair IMO

CivBars wrote:
If you ever find yourself in Phoenix, I'll have a bike for you to ride and you can tell me how we compare to your tracks!
Hey I'm gonna be spending some time in Phoenix this winter and would love to take you up on that offer!
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Rushton597 10/21/2019 5:52am
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Living in Atlantic Canada and riding moto is a nightmare. Unless you have a friend with a private track your options are limited to one Wednesday a week for 3 hours...... Split up into a bunch of classes so you end up with about half hour of track time if you're lucky. And if there's any precipitation pretty much every track in the province closes.
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moscrop940 wrote:
Having a factory rider show up to a track in the middle of nowhere very well may drive up entries to said track on that particular...
Having a factory rider show up to a track in the middle of nowhere very well may drive up entries to said track on that particular day, but not in SoCal. Especially not at a SoCal track that has a track SPECIFICALLY MADE FOR PROS.

No one is above paying for a service, unless the person providing said service decides to comp it...

I am truly surprised one person, let alone multiple people, in here has the opinion that the track owner should have comped whomever this rider was.

Having grown up in Southern California, never once has any single rider dictated where I was going to ride that day, and I’d be willing to bet $100 bucks that 95% of others in the area feel the same....for some of you to speak with the owners wallet and say you’d let this guy ride for free is nothing short of nearsighted and disingenuous.
Exactly. We have a long distance in between this location (Milestone), but at my local track we have a lot of pro's coming to train. Especially when sand GP's are coming up. We will reschedule the training sessions for pro's and Amateurs split, but the Pro's are paying to ride. Few weeks ago Prado came to ride and he paid 15 euro's (our daily fee) to ride without hesitation. Same goes for riders like Herlings, Cairoli, Coldenhoff, Anstie, Jonass, Seewer, V horebeek etc. If they don't want to pay, they get a friendly "thank you, bye and have a nice day". Way too much volunteers working on our track to get riders thinking they are above anyone.
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Thisusernameisavailable 10/21/2019 5:57am
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If I was a Factory rider, Id pay twice and tell the man at the gate "The next kid to come and sign-on, please give him a free pass."
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zippytech wrote:
We have a local track the guy basically has a box, that you print and sign a sheet and put 10 bucks in to ride day...
We have a local track the guy basically has a box, that you print and sign a sheet and put 10 bucks in to ride day light to dark and offers free camping.

And believe it or not I hear guys says they get there gas money from the box.. unbelievable.
piscokid wrote:
From Ohio, were is this track you speak of?
husky125 wrote:
I believe it's Lightning in Tippecanoe, Ohio
Correct.

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