Honda Dumb Idea Hall of Fame?

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sumdood 10/11/2019 1:44am
10/11/2019 1:44am
ga_pike wrote:
#1 on the list: Killing everything 2 stroke
A for effort on the EXP 2. Wonder what happened to this bike



Honorable mention, Dual carbs on the XR 350
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JohnnyD13 10/11/2019 4:12am
10/11/2019 4:12am
ga_pike wrote:
#1 on the list: Killing everything 2 stroke
sumdood wrote:
A for effort on the EXP 2. Wonder what happened to this bike [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/11/378953/s1200_Honda_EXP2.jpg[/img] Honorable mention, Dual carbs on the XR 350
A for effort on the EXP 2. Wonder what happened to this bike



Honorable mention, Dual carbs on the XR 350
There was duel carbs on the xr200 too
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reded 10/11/2019 4:21am
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Big bore utility quad (Rincon) with no low range or diff lock.
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mark_swart 10/11/2019 4:21am
10/11/2019 4:21am
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Are you sure that RC valve opens based on a sensor in the carb? I don’t know how it works if truth be told, but a...
Are you sure that RC valve opens based on a sensor in the carb?

I don’t know how it works if truth be told, but a sensor in the carb doesn’t make as much sense to me as a sensor on the crank speed.
AngryBear wrote:
def not attached to carb. the oem carb had a throttle position sensor, but you can unplug that when swapping to a new carb. mine for...
def not attached to carb. the oem carb had a throttle position sensor, but you can unplug that when swapping to a new carb. mine for instance was unplugged and filled with epoxy, currently running a lectron. its tied to the CDI.
Aah, okay, I had just assumed that the slide position sensor was sending the information to the RC valve. My bad. There are a lot of wires on that bike for a two stroke haha!
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H4L 10/11/2019 6:12am
10/11/2019 6:12am
97-01 1st & 2nd gen AF chassis. Owned a 97 & 01 model & those frames were stiff & rigid.
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tingo 10/11/2019 6:22am
10/11/2019 6:22am
AngryBear wrote:
don't hate on the fat cat!
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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RM Mike 10/11/2019 7:46am
10/11/2019 7:46am
In no particular order;
1. Not producing sport ATVs.
2. Not producing the XR75.
3. Not producing the CT70.

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newmann 10/11/2019 10:04am
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RM Mike wrote:
In no particular order;
1. Not producing sport ATVs.
2. Not producing the XR75.
3. Not producing the CT70.

Can you imagine how many XR75's they would sell if the popped out another production run??? All of us old fuggers would be buying them for the grandkids and ourselves alike. Sure would make it easy for me to find donor bikes for all these aftermarket frames I want to build up.

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predel323 10/11/2019 5:56pm
10/11/2019 5:56pm
How about the 4 spring clutch in the CRF450....
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Sully 10/11/2019 8:15pm
10/11/2019 8:15pm
lostboy819 wrote:
These two were goofy too, the Honda Gyro and Reflex. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/10/378866/s1200_b32119793f0b3d0aa7a8d6d1688b844c.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/10/378867/s1200_maxresdefault.jpg[/img]
These two were goofy too, the Honda Gyro and Reflex.

We still see the Gyros all over the place in Japan. all of the pizza places use them for deliveries.
And I just saw a Fatcat at a used dealer a couple of weeks ago.
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KurtJ99 10/11/2019 9:33pm
10/11/2019 9:33pm
23" front wheel?
20" front wheel?
Dual carbs on XR200R, XR250R
Stopping MR50, CR60 production
Stopping CR500 production (should have just went like Yamaha and BNG the hell out of it forever)
Never coming out with a CR100 like RM and YZ's
Being so scared of power valves after '84 CR250 ATAC to fully discontinue it in '85 and then resume HPP in '86.


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crusher773 10/12/2019 8:43am
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RM Mike wrote:
In no particular order;
1. Not producing sport ATVs.
2. Not producing the XR75.
3. Not producing the CT70.

newmann wrote:
Can you imagine how many XR75's they would sell if the popped out another production run??? All of us old fuggers would be buying them for...
Can you imagine how many XR75's they would sell if the popped out another production run??? All of us old fuggers would be buying them for the grandkids and ourselves alike. Sure would make it easy for me to find donor bikes for all these aftermarket frames I want to build up.

Not to make it worse but I have an MR50 in the garage it's pretty cool.
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Moto520 10/12/2019 9:21am
10/12/2019 9:21am
Crf150 in place of cr85
Air forks
Losing mcgrath in ‘97
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ktmdan 10/12/2019 2:23pm
10/12/2019 2:23pm
The titanium gas tank should be on the list.
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hubbardmx50 10/12/2019 6:04pm
10/12/2019 6:04pm
Just wondering, why do so many of you feel the crf150r was a bad idea? I had so many good races on mine. Loved that bike!
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RandyS 10/12/2019 6:37pm
10/12/2019 6:37pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2019 6:38pm
Doing away with the simple, light, affordable, XR/CRF70s, 80s, and 100s and replacing them with pigs.
Underground 10/12/2019 9:58pm
10/12/2019 9:58pm
RandyS wrote:
Doing away with the simple, light, affordable, XR/CRF70s, 80s, and 100s and replacing them with pigs.
?????
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Underground 10/12/2019 10:10pm
10/12/2019 10:10pm
slipdog wrote:
ATAC anyone??? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/10/378878/s1200_Screenshot_2019_10_10_at_7.53.23_PM.jpg[/img]
ATAC anyone???


No familiarity with the 250 system but those 89 CR125's were being used in dirt track well into 2000's due to the power they made

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Underground 10/12/2019 10:13pm
10/12/2019 10:13pm
hubbardmx50 wrote:
Just wondering, why do so many of you feel the crf150r was a bad idea? I had so many good races on mine. Loved that bike!
Because they never rode/had one?
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RandyS 10/14/2019 8:47am
10/14/2019 8:47am
RandyS wrote:
Doing away with the simple, light, affordable, XR/CRF70s, 80s, and 100s and replacing them with pigs.
Underground wrote:
?????
XR/CRF70 128lbs, CRF110 which replaced it 170lbs

XR/CRF100 165lbs, CRF125 Big Wheel which replaced it 199lbs.
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CalRMX 10/14/2019 9:00am
10/14/2019 9:00am
mark_swart wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/10/378814/s1200_RC_Valve_Motor.jpg[/img] So I'm rehabbing an 04 CR 125 for my brother, and I am learning about the engineering marvel (sarcasm) that is the RC powervalve controller...


So I'm rehabbing an 04 CR 125 for my brother, and I am learning about the engineering marvel (sarcasm) that is the RC powervalve controller. I bought this one as a project and as soon as the previous owner said it didn't have any top end before he took it apart, I had a feeling the powervalve was the problem. Despite the picture, the rest of the bike actually looks good. For those not familiar, it's an electronic motor that is commonly used in model boats and cars, it opens based on a sensor in the carb. I ended up sourcing a replacement motor (MTronics M400) no problem, but it got me thinking about what an overly complicated and unreliable way to do something that had worked perfectly well with a centrifugal setup for nearly 20 years before that.

That got me thinking... what are Honda's dumbest ideas for MX bikes over the years? My top five looks like this:

1) Lefthand kickstart
2) RC Valve
3) Air Forks
4) Magnesium side cases (mid 80s)
5) 1989 CR 250 forks

Oddly enough, the aluminum frame didn't make my cut. The first generation wasn't great, but it appears the aluminum frame has stood the test of time.

All in all, Honda doesn't make many huge blunders in my opinion, but they have definitely made a few!
Your showing your lack of knowledge, there were plenty of mc's with left hand kickstarts WAY before Honda even tried it, Husky, Maico, etc etc
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