James Stewart Splitfire Kawi 2001

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I needed a good laugh today, lol...Perfect. thank you.
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G.R.I.N.D wrote:
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC...
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC no mather what brand he had on him except for their bikes.
Same with Stewart he rode 2000 and 2001 splitfire bikes while on fox. 2002 he went pro and wanted a factory bike so Kawi gave it to him. Simple as that
UpTiTe wrote:
Carmichael told Mitch He was going to wear Fox and if Mitch says no, he would move up to 250s Truth be told, Ricky was on...
Carmichael told Mitch He was going to wear Fox and if Mitch says no, he would move up to 250s

Truth be told, Ricky was on a factory 125 the whole time he rode for Mitch.
Actually he had already moved up in supercross and inked his fox deal. Strong armed Mitch to keep it going when he moved back down.
10/7/2019 8:53pm
G.R.I.N.D wrote:
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC...
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC no mather what brand he had on him except for their bikes.
Same with Stewart he rode 2000 and 2001 splitfire bikes while on fox. 2002 he went pro and wanted a factory bike so Kawi gave it to him. Simple as that
If I remember correctly, RC got fined like $5K per race for not wearing AXO and I believe Fox paid the fines for him.

Stewart I believe was both gear along with them demanding to be on a full factory team. I could be wrong but I think he leveraged Honda's offer to get on the full factory team where he could have his own gear deal maybe in their mind better access to custom parts.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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10/7/2019 10:14pm
Why didn't ride Stewart for Mitch his team? Because he seems the only Kawasaki who rode for the factory team right after LL.
UpTiTe wrote:
Big James said to put in the factory rig or he was going elsewhere. Shame really, I think James could’ve benefited over the Lang haul with...
Big James said to put in the factory rig or he was going elsewhere.

Shame really, I think James could’ve benefited over the Lang haul with a couple years of Mitch’s advice.
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him.
But thinking back. James was solo and secluded on his own team to do his own thing. I wonder if he would have had the same untouchable success if he had to deal with a multi rider team like PC. I honestly think PC tent would have cost him some consistency. He clearly made the right choice and in a sense did it his own way. Not going PC is one of the things I like most about JS career. At the time it seemed like he was arrogant and thought he was to good to go the PC route. In reality, he really was to good and went right where he should have.
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cwtoyota wrote:
This is a highly detailed replica. Click the link and check out some of the close-up photos and info. https://dirtbikemagazine.com/blake-bilko-williams-2001-pro-circuit-kawasaki-kx125-replica-build-two-stroke-tuesday/ [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/07/378421/s1200_BilkoKX125_Right.jpg[/img]
This is a highly detailed replica. Click the link and check out some of the close-up photos and info.

https://dirtbikemagazine.com/blake-bilko-williams-2001-pro-circuit-kawa…



Nice, its the 2002 graphics though. 👌
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10/7/2019 10:58pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2019 10:59pm
G.R.I.N.D wrote:
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC...
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC no mather what brand he had on him except for their bikes.
Same with Stewart he rode 2000 and 2001 splitfire bikes while on fox. 2002 he went pro and wanted a factory bike so Kawi gave it to him. Simple as that
TriRacer27 wrote:
If I remember correctly, RC got fined like $5K per race for not wearing AXO and I believe Fox paid the fines for him. Stewart I...
If I remember correctly, RC got fined like $5K per race for not wearing AXO and I believe Fox paid the fines for him.

Stewart I believe was both gear along with them demanding to be on a full factory team. I could be wrong but I think he leveraged Honda's offer to get on the full factory team where he could have his own gear deal maybe in their mind better access to custom parts.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I think I read in a interview with RC that Mitch could have fined him but didn’t. Obviously I don’t have a source to cite, just something I remember. Probably from MXA, lol.
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10/8/2019 1:28am
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him. But thinking...
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him.
But thinking back. James was solo and secluded on his own team to do his own thing. I wonder if he would have had the same untouchable success if he had to deal with a multi rider team like PC. I honestly think PC tent would have cost him some consistency. He clearly made the right choice and in a sense did it his own way. Not going PC is one of the things I like most about JS career. At the time it seemed like he was arrogant and thought he was to good to go the PC route. In reality, he really was to good and went right where he should have.
you always go off in some wild rant, when you clearly missed point?, end of story...Dry
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10/8/2019 1:43am
Made me laugh reading people trying to say James never ran 259 on an 01 pro circuit bike, even after screenshots had been posted...? Dizzy
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10/8/2019 3:33am
might be an simple question but what happens to all these factory bikes when they are out of service
10/8/2019 6:51am
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him. But thinking...
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him.
But thinking back. James was solo and secluded on his own team to do his own thing. I wonder if he would have had the same untouchable success if he had to deal with a multi rider team like PC. I honestly think PC tent would have cost him some consistency. He clearly made the right choice and in a sense did it his own way. Not going PC is one of the things I like most about JS career. At the time it seemed like he was arrogant and thought he was to good to go the PC route. In reality, he really was to good and went right where he should have.
you always go off in some wild rant, when you clearly missed point?, end of story...Dry
Yeah it was a wild rant.
JS would of been successful on any 125 team. I also think he should of rode for Mitch..
I wonder how his career would of looked had he gone to Honda? He would of had a 450 in 2005 which would of helped a lot !
10/8/2019 6:55am
I hear Bubbs has some time on his hands. Why don't you just got right to the source, since you seem to tell everyone that's trying to get you what you need that their wrong?
10/8/2019 8:34am
Why didn't ride Stewart for Mitch his team? Because he seems the only Kawasaki who rode for the factory team right after LL.
UpTiTe wrote:
Big James said to put in the factory rig or he was going elsewhere. Shame really, I think James could’ve benefited over the Lang haul with...
Big James said to put in the factory rig or he was going elsewhere.

Shame really, I think James could’ve benefited over the Lang haul with a couple years of Mitch’s advice.
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him. But thinking...
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him.
But thinking back. James was solo and secluded on his own team to do his own thing. I wonder if he would have had the same untouchable success if he had to deal with a multi rider team like PC. I honestly think PC tent would have cost him some consistency. He clearly made the right choice and in a sense did it his own way. Not going PC is one of the things I like most about JS career. At the time it seemed like he was arrogant and thought he was to good to go the PC route. In reality, he really was to good and went right where he should have.
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go.

Mitch would’ve given great guidance and advice and James might’ve turned out a bit different. If someone like Mitch would’ve calmed him down and put discipline into his life and helped him understand the big picture, then maybe things would’ve been different.

He was 5 crashes away from 4 more titles. Imagine how much different the record books would look if he was a step or two calmer and understood that a podium is as good as a win some nights.
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10/8/2019 8:40am
G.R.I.N.D wrote:
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC...
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC no mather what brand he had on him except for their bikes.
Same with Stewart he rode 2000 and 2001 splitfire bikes while on fox. 2002 he went pro and wanted a factory bike so Kawi gave it to him. Simple as that
UpTiTe wrote:
Carmichael told Mitch He was going to wear Fox and if Mitch says no, he would move up to 250s Truth be told, Ricky was on...
Carmichael told Mitch He was going to wear Fox and if Mitch says no, he would move up to 250s

Truth be told, Ricky was on a factory 125 the whole time he rode for Mitch.
Actually he had already moved up in supercross and inked his fox deal. Strong armed Mitch to keep it going when he moved back down.
Before the season even started he told Mitch he was signing with Fox and that he would ride a 125 but only in Fox gear. If Mitch wasn’t ok with it, he was going to ride a 250 outdoors too.

I wouldn’t call it strong arming, he told Mitch what he was doing. His contract wasn’t with Mitch, it was with Kawasaki
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10/8/2019 8:42am
G.R.I.N.D wrote:
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC...
98 Carmichael had axo, 99 he had fox while the team switched to Thor. I bet Kawi at that time didn't wanna let go of RC no mather what brand he had on him except for their bikes.
Same with Stewart he rode 2000 and 2001 splitfire bikes while on fox. 2002 he went pro and wanted a factory bike so Kawi gave it to him. Simple as that
TriRacer27 wrote:
If I remember correctly, RC got fined like $5K per race for not wearing AXO and I believe Fox paid the fines for him. Stewart I...
If I remember correctly, RC got fined like $5K per race for not wearing AXO and I believe Fox paid the fines for him.

Stewart I believe was both gear along with them demanding to be on a full factory team. I could be wrong but I think he leveraged Honda's offer to get on the full factory team where he could have his own gear deal maybe in their mind better access to custom parts.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
No, he wasn’t fined, it was part of the deal he made with Mitch.
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10/8/2019 8:46am
Garage11 wrote:
might be an simple question but what happens to all these factory bikes when they are out of service
They use to destroy them, now they recycle the parts into practice or test bikes until their times are up and then they destroy them.

Championship bikes are usually kept and some riders have it written in their contracts that they keep championship bikes.
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10/8/2019 9:06am
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Look about 7 minutes in on this video. Must have been amateurs. [url=https://www.redbull.com/int-en/videos/king-of-the-gear-red-bull-straight-rhythm]https://www.redbull.com/int-en/videos/king-of-the-gear-red-bull-straight-rhythm[/url] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/07/378396/s1200_E3890B1E_39BB_4283_BE91_BEC692A779A8.jpg[/img]
Look about 7 minutes in on this video. Must have been amateurs.

https://www.redbull.com/int-en/videos/king-of-the-gear-red-bull-straight-rhythm


Hey OP, if you really want to find it bad enough you need to find someone with pics from 01 World Minis, that’s where this screenshot is from.
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10/8/2019 9:16am
UpTiTe wrote:
Carmichael told Mitch He was going to wear Fox and if Mitch says no, he would move up to 250s Truth be told, Ricky was on...
Carmichael told Mitch He was going to wear Fox and if Mitch says no, he would move up to 250s

Truth be told, Ricky was on a factory 125 the whole time he rode for Mitch.
Actually he had already moved up in supercross and inked his fox deal. Strong armed Mitch to keep it going when he moved back down.
UpTiTe wrote:
Before the season even started he told Mitch he was signing with Fox and that he would ride a 125 but only in Fox gear. If...
Before the season even started he told Mitch he was signing with Fox and that he would ride a 125 but only in Fox gear. If Mitch wasn’t ok with it, he was going to ride a 250 outdoors too.

I wouldn’t call it strong arming, he told Mitch what he was doing. His contract wasn’t with Mitch, it was with Kawasaki
Gotcha. Wonder if he would have won the 1999 title had he stayed up?
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10/8/2019 4:30pm
G.R.I.N.D wrote:
Looking for the 125 from 2001
He didn’t turn Pro until 2002. And it was a Chevy Trucks Kawasaki 125. He was still an amateur in 2001 as he was only 15.
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10/8/2019 7:08pm
G.R.I.N.D wrote:
Looking for the 125 from 2001
Racer111 wrote:
He didn’t turn Pro until 2002. And it was a Chevy Trucks Kawasaki 125. He was still an amateur in 2001 as he was only 15.
Read the thread bro, he found it
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10/8/2019 7:14pm
Here is a photo from 2001, Stewart behind Josh Hansen. Looks the same as a 2001 PC bike.

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10/8/2019 8:04pm
Here is a photo from 2001, Stewart behind Josh Hansen. Looks the same as a 2001 PC bike. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/08/378547/s1200_Josh_Hanson_and_James_Stewart_2001_Mosier_Valley.jpg[/img]
Here is a photo from 2001, Stewart behind Josh Hansen. Looks the same as a 2001 PC bike.

I don’t know where you got this, but if you got more, keep em coming!
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10/8/2019 9:12pm
G.R.I.N.D wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/07/378366/s1200_2EF64A4C_18B5_437A_B137_4E051915099F.jpg[/img]

This pic is from World minis in 01.
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10/8/2019 9:49pm
UpTiTe wrote:
Big James said to put in the factory rig or he was going elsewhere. Shame really, I think James could’ve benefited over the Lang haul with...
Big James said to put in the factory rig or he was going elsewhere.

Shame really, I think James could’ve benefited over the Lang haul with a couple years of Mitch’s advice.
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him. But thinking...
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him.
But thinking back. James was solo and secluded on his own team to do his own thing. I wonder if he would have had the same untouchable success if he had to deal with a multi rider team like PC. I honestly think PC tent would have cost him some consistency. He clearly made the right choice and in a sense did it his own way. Not going PC is one of the things I like most about JS career. At the time it seemed like he was arrogant and thought he was to good to go the PC route. In reality, he really was to good and went right where he should have.
UpTiTe wrote:
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go. Mitch would’ve given...
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go.

Mitch would’ve given great guidance and advice and James might’ve turned out a bit different. If someone like Mitch would’ve calmed him down and put discipline into his life and helped him understand the big picture, then maybe things would’ve been different.

He was 5 crashes away from 4 more titles. Imagine how much different the record books would look if he was a step or two calmer and understood that a podium is as good as a win some nights.
I can see where you are coming from. Your probably right. But I also remember those days of PC they weren't into rider development as much as they were just straight winning. They didn't have riders linger around for a couple of years and let them develop. It was one chance and produce or your done. They also didn't pick up any second chance riders like they do today. Back then a Davalos, Durham or Hill type rider would never have had a chance at being on the team. I remember being surprised when they gave Tedesco a chance because he came from the field and another team. They got the best prospects, almost ringers, as they turned pro or were GP proven. Anyone would have killed to be on that team and JS was the ringer that turned it down. It seemed crazy, arrogant and ballsy to do so. When he backed up with his riding like nothing we had ever seen I thought it was awesome.
I'm just a fan looking in but my perspective is the way they worked with riders changed around the time of Matt Walker.
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10/8/2019 10:26pm
G.R.I.N.D wrote:
Looking for the 125 from 2001
Racer111 wrote:
He didn’t turn Pro until 2002. And it was a Chevy Trucks Kawasaki 125. He was still an amateur in 2001 as he was only 15.
As I said already 😂
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UpTiTe wrote:
Big James said to put in the factory rig or he was going elsewhere. Shame really, I think James could’ve benefited over the Lang haul with...
Big James said to put in the factory rig or he was going elsewhere.

Shame really, I think James could’ve benefited over the Lang haul with a couple years of Mitch’s advice.
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him. But thinking...
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him.
But thinking back. James was solo and secluded on his own team to do his own thing. I wonder if he would have had the same untouchable success if he had to deal with a multi rider team like PC. I honestly think PC tent would have cost him some consistency. He clearly made the right choice and in a sense did it his own way. Not going PC is one of the things I like most about JS career. At the time it seemed like he was arrogant and thought he was to good to go the PC route. In reality, he really was to good and went right where he should have.
UpTiTe wrote:
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go. Mitch would’ve given...
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go.

Mitch would’ve given great guidance and advice and James might’ve turned out a bit different. If someone like Mitch would’ve calmed him down and put discipline into his life and helped him understand the big picture, then maybe things would’ve been different.

He was 5 crashes away from 4 more titles. Imagine how much different the record books would look if he was a step or two calmer and understood that a podium is as good as a win some nights.
This is actually been my whole point with Mike and Jeff alessi career. If those 2 would have gotten away from where they were and tony at the start of their career and worked with mitch or even the geico crew I feel like both would have had a very different career. I feel like Mike would have at least 3 titles to his name now and a lot more money. Anyone that remembers watching Jeff ride sx before his injury could attest that he had a lil somthing extra then alot of guys in sx back then.

I feel the same about James. Sometimes straight to the factory is good sometimes not. I just feel like mitch was and still is better equipped to handle new raw fast talent then most factory teams. By the time riders move up to the facory level they have worked with a group of people that only build thier success off refining young raw talent. Unlike the factory teams who normally have riders that have 2-5 years as a professional racers with a program that works for them already in place. They don't have to build just refine what's built already.

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Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him. But thinking...
Quit being so UpTiTe. James went straight to factory and backed it up 10 fold. End of story. Mitch would have benefited from him.
But thinking back. James was solo and secluded on his own team to do his own thing. I wonder if he would have had the same untouchable success if he had to deal with a multi rider team like PC. I honestly think PC tent would have cost him some consistency. He clearly made the right choice and in a sense did it his own way. Not going PC is one of the things I like most about JS career. At the time it seemed like he was arrogant and thought he was to good to go the PC route. In reality, he really was to good and went right where he should have.
UpTiTe wrote:
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go. Mitch would’ve given...
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go.

Mitch would’ve given great guidance and advice and James might’ve turned out a bit different. If someone like Mitch would’ve calmed him down and put discipline into his life and helped him understand the big picture, then maybe things would’ve been different.

He was 5 crashes away from 4 more titles. Imagine how much different the record books would look if he was a step or two calmer and understood that a podium is as good as a win some nights.
I can see where you are coming from. Your probably right. But I also remember those days of PC they weren't into rider development as much...
I can see where you are coming from. Your probably right. But I also remember those days of PC they weren't into rider development as much as they were just straight winning. They didn't have riders linger around for a couple of years and let them develop. It was one chance and produce or your done. They also didn't pick up any second chance riders like they do today. Back then a Davalos, Durham or Hill type rider would never have had a chance at being on the team. I remember being surprised when they gave Tedesco a chance because he came from the field and another team. They got the best prospects, almost ringers, as they turned pro or were GP proven. Anyone would have killed to be on that team and JS was the ringer that turned it down. It seemed crazy, arrogant and ballsy to do so. When he backed up with his riding like nothing we had ever seen I thought it was awesome.
I'm just a fan looking in but my perspective is the way they worked with riders changed around the time of Matt Walker.
I don't know back in the day they did a lot of development and 2nd chances. Look at Wey, Ramsey, payne, Johnson Bentley ping most all riders with at least 3 years of development all had very good carrers. Brow rode for pc twice once as development then as a 2nd chance.
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UpTiTe wrote:
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go. Mitch would’ve given...
I disagree, everyone at Kawasaki was a yes man for him and his dad, they didn’t guide him, they just let him go.

Mitch would’ve given great guidance and advice and James might’ve turned out a bit different. If someone like Mitch would’ve calmed him down and put discipline into his life and helped him understand the big picture, then maybe things would’ve been different.

He was 5 crashes away from 4 more titles. Imagine how much different the record books would look if he was a step or two calmer and understood that a podium is as good as a win some nights.
I can see where you are coming from. Your probably right. But I also remember those days of PC they weren't into rider development as much...
I can see where you are coming from. Your probably right. But I also remember those days of PC they weren't into rider development as much as they were just straight winning. They didn't have riders linger around for a couple of years and let them develop. It was one chance and produce or your done. They also didn't pick up any second chance riders like they do today. Back then a Davalos, Durham or Hill type rider would never have had a chance at being on the team. I remember being surprised when they gave Tedesco a chance because he came from the field and another team. They got the best prospects, almost ringers, as they turned pro or were GP proven. Anyone would have killed to be on that team and JS was the ringer that turned it down. It seemed crazy, arrogant and ballsy to do so. When he backed up with his riding like nothing we had ever seen I thought it was awesome.
I'm just a fan looking in but my perspective is the way they worked with riders changed around the time of Matt Walker.
rob162 wrote:
I don't know back in the day they did a lot of development and 2nd chances. Look at Wey, Ramsey, payne, Johnson Bentley ping most all...
I don't know back in the day they did a lot of development and 2nd chances. Look at Wey, Ramsey, payne, Johnson Bentley ping most all riders with at least 3 years of development all had very good carrers. Brow rode for pc twice once as development then as a 2nd chance.
Langston was also on second chance
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11/11/2019 5:13pm
This is a great thread. Great history, and great photos!
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