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Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
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Chance1216 10/6/2019 4:39am
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I haven't been so excited to see a race for a very long time. Everything about it was better. It also looked like the riders were more excited for this then anything else as well.
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Drail24 10/6/2019 5:50am
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Last nights RBSR was the perfect example of how the sport has changed with the transition to 4 strokes. Now I remember why racing used to seem so much more exciting. The bikes, the strategy, the skill, the talent, … the jetting factors. It was all on display last night. I sure miss those days.
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CPR 10/6/2019 5:57am
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Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
I'm certainly not going to tell you, because that was bloody awesome.
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kkawboy14 10/6/2019 5:58am
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.....ah the sounds!
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Turbojez 10/6/2019 6:03am
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I'd love to buy some air from that event. It must have smelled sooooooo good...
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seventeen 10/6/2019 6:05am
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Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
Well said sir. Truth to power...
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Tell me this wasn't the best save...







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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Tell me this wasn't the best save... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378197/s1200_70557401_147774336434374_4915020057935115522_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378198/s1200_71562958_727465130992372_6262331284263010093_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378199/s1200_70870201_133192764688733_815626665213196514_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378200/s1200_69701521_2158653307762020_8107718342388876341_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378201/s1200_70191004_952051735147145_1060988580671968797_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378202/s1200_70890103_433211294067454_5031663859397342863_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378203/s1200_71066567_133716797969557_2873637856575423158_n.jpg[/img]
Tell me this wasn't the best save...







i wish they had the camera angle from the back side of speed check. amazing he held on through the speed check and somehow got his feet on the pegs. even more incredible he flat landed from 20 ft and didnt explode.
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-MAVERICK- 10/6/2019 6:17am
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soggy wrote:
i wish they had the camera angle from the back side of speed check. amazing he held on through the speed check and somehow got his...
i wish they had the camera angle from the back side of speed check. amazing he held on through the speed check and somehow got his feet on the pegs. even more incredible he flat landed from 20 ft and didnt explode.
After the superman, I thought for sure he was going to launch off to space off the speed check wall.
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jonesaustin 10/6/2019 7:12am
10/6/2019 7:12am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2019 7:13am
Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
a snake is slower than a donkey but it will bite you. I totally agree with your post - yes they are “slower” in miles per hour speed, but they are also dangerous and terrifying.

even the way they react to the physics involved in supercross style racing is way cooler. there’s something visual about 2 strokes in how they behave on the track that reminds us what we lost when the sport went NASCAR.



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Dirty Points 10/6/2019 7:15am
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Tell me this wasn't the best save... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378197/s1200_70557401_147774336434374_4915020057935115522_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378198/s1200_71562958_727465130992372_6262331284263010093_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378199/s1200_70870201_133192764688733_815626665213196514_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378200/s1200_69701521_2158653307762020_8107718342388876341_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378201/s1200_70191004_952051735147145_1060988580671968797_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378202/s1200_70890103_433211294067454_5031663859397342863_n.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/06/378203/s1200_71066567_133716797969557_2873637856575423158_n.jpg[/img]
Tell me this wasn't the best save...







Too bad no shot of the full superman-style flying-W that initiated that save in there.
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swizcore 10/6/2019 5:15pm
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Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
All of this. 1000%
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WoodsRacer 10/6/2019 5:24pm
10/6/2019 5:24pm
Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
Yes, last night was badass. Had everything I as a fan wanted, the old legends, hot new shots, the current stars, upsets, close races, and of course TRAVIS F'N PASTRANA! Haha. My point is the event had it all, I was on the edge of my seat a lot, and the way it was ran kept consent action and change up which is perfect for today's short term attention society.

However, even with all that said do you really want a series of this? Or even simpler, how do you take anything from this and integrate it to our current supercross/motocross championships to improve them? Serious question. Or maybe the answer isn't to try and "fix" SX/MX but to instead have more unique events like this?

Again, I loved the event last night, and look forward to it again next year.
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jeffro503 10/6/2019 5:33pm
10/6/2019 5:33pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2019 5:34pm
Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
I can't tell you any of that Crush.....because it would be lying. But until then , let people keep riding their 60+ HP fart box bikes , when they only use 20HP of it. You can't , and won't ever beat the pure MX scene of 2 strokes. You can hate on that all you want , but there is a reason why 2 stroke fans / riders are the way we are. Most of us already did the 4 stroke thing , that's why we came back. If that confuses you , then maybe figure it out on your own.
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jeffro503 10/6/2019 5:42pm
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Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
WoodsRacer wrote:
Yes, last night was badass. Had everything I as a fan wanted, the old legends, hot new shots, the current stars, upsets, close races, and of...
Yes, last night was badass. Had everything I as a fan wanted, the old legends, hot new shots, the current stars, upsets, close races, and of course TRAVIS F'N PASTRANA! Haha. My point is the event had it all, I was on the edge of my seat a lot, and the way it was ran kept consent action and change up which is perfect for today's short term attention society.

However, even with all that said do you really want a series of this? Or even simpler, how do you take anything from this and integrate it to our current supercross/motocross championships to improve them? Serious question. Or maybe the answer isn't to try and "fix" SX/MX but to instead have more unique events like this?

Again, I loved the event last night, and look forward to it again next year.
It puts " skill " , and only skill above everything else. A totally different type of riding on a big 450 , where you can screw up every corner on the track , and still clear everything. Skill.....as in being precise on everything , and not relying on having a rocket ship under you to cover your mistakes. If you ride like crap , A 2 stroke will expose that. Where as a 4 stroke , just drop the hammer , blow through the banners and then screw up your next corner. The 99.99% that can't ride a 450 to it's limits , could learn a thing or two from the 2 strokes. Skill , being the most important thing.
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delonick347 10/6/2019 5:43pm
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soggy wrote:
i wish they had the camera angle from the back side of speed check. amazing he held on through the speed check and somehow got his...
i wish they had the camera angle from the back side of speed check. amazing he held on through the speed check and somehow got his feet on the pegs. even more incredible he flat landed from 20 ft and didnt explode.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
After the superman, I thought for sure he was going to launch off to space off the speed check wall.
He did. 😂
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kage173 10/6/2019 11:13pm
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The thing I liked were all of the mistakes. Everyone was screwing up. As opposed to 4t where everyone is perfect and hits every section
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Racer142 10/6/2019 11:29pm
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I've literally been saying this all along. Even more so now that electric is the next big thing. I hate the idea of no clutch or shifting, no wrong gear, ect. But those in control don't seem to want to see it grow anymore
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Crush 10/7/2019 4:07am
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Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
WoodsRacer wrote:
Yes, last night was badass. Had everything I as a fan wanted, the old legends, hot new shots, the current stars, upsets, close races, and of...
Yes, last night was badass. Had everything I as a fan wanted, the old legends, hot new shots, the current stars, upsets, close races, and of course TRAVIS F'N PASTRANA! Haha. My point is the event had it all, I was on the edge of my seat a lot, and the way it was ran kept consent action and change up which is perfect for today's short term attention society.

However, even with all that said do you really want a series of this? Or even simpler, how do you take anything from this and integrate it to our current supercross/motocross championships to improve them? Serious question. Or maybe the answer isn't to try and "fix" SX/MX but to instead have more unique events like this?

Again, I loved the event last night, and look forward to it again next year.
I’m taking aim at the bikes, and more so the 450s.

The easiest fix that is attainable, and would open up a new revenue stream for the manufacturers is changing the class structure.

250effs become your open class. 125 two strokes your “lites” class.

Marketable difference between the bikes. 250f is as fast as 2502t were. So overall bikes are slower, mistakes mean more and tracks can go back to being slower and more technical.

A challenging track for a 250f is safer on a 125 because you can’t do the big rhythms. A challenging track for 450s is Cole Seely casing a quad and breaking his pelvis.

All junior racing is two stroke, barriers to entry come down and participation goes up. Pro racing lites class becomes more affordable for kids who aren’t on a magic carpet.

Manufacturers get a 3 to five year warning. This is happening. It needs to for the sport, yours and our hip-pockets. They can then really examine what CC limits would produce competition and look to modify 250 class rules to allow both.... they get a new revenue stream and we get to see the magical racing of 125s again.
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Crush 10/7/2019 4:09am
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Racer142 wrote:
I've literally been saying this all along. Even more so now that electric is the next big thing. I hate the idea of no clutch or...
I've literally been saying this all along. Even more so now that electric is the next big thing. I hate the idea of no clutch or shifting, no wrong gear, ect. But those in control don't seem to want to see it grow anymore
I agree for that part, but the participation argument is bigger imo. We need people to affordably get into mx, kids ebikes open up riding areas and are adapatable to learners via software etc....
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honda341 10/7/2019 12:13pm
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Crush wrote:
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes. Tell me it’s not more...
Tell me it’s not more exciting watching the riders work their assess off to squeeze everything out of the slower bikes.

Tell me it’s not more exciting when mistakes actually have a price.

Tell me those bikes don’t sound better.

This event lays it out, all the answers which the sport won’t look at, because why prune and grow when you can die of thirst later.
The bikes sound good. The "enhanced" engine sound, sounds like a bogged down weed eater. You tried Red Bull, but please, two strokes don't need sound enhancements.I turned off the volume when the races had that.
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motox331 10/7/2019 12:39pm
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I miss racing where only a select few people would risk it all for a much quicker lap time. Now even the slowest b qualifier guys can do every jump on the track with the 450 power. Look at RBSR when Hanny was doing the quad it was something exciting that would make you move to the edge of your seat during his run.
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gt80rider 10/7/2019 12:49pm
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I would love to watch this style racing on a whole lot more weekends...... hell, I would love to try it myself (on a MUCH tamed down course).......... it would be neat to sorta "drag race" another dirt bike like that.......
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reynardfan1 10/7/2019 12:58pm
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Currently there are only 3 thumbs down on this thread...that should tell you all you need to know.
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Racer142 10/7/2019 1:29pm
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Racer142 wrote:
I've literally been saying this all along. Even more so now that electric is the next big thing. I hate the idea of no clutch or...
I've literally been saying this all along. Even more so now that electric is the next big thing. I hate the idea of no clutch or shifting, no wrong gear, ect. But those in control don't seem to want to see it grow anymore
Crush wrote:
I agree for that part, but the participation argument is bigger imo. We need people to affordably get into mx, kids ebikes open up riding areas...
I agree for that part, but the participation argument is bigger imo. We need people to affordably get into mx, kids ebikes open up riding areas and are adapatable to learners via software etc....
For kids and trails /riding areas maybe but I don't think noise is really that much of a problem there. TTR don't make a lot of noise. Racing electric is where I have the problem. We already have a problem where a 250f or 450 can completely blow an corner and still torque over most jumps. When we go electric with no clutch or shifting necessary and power on demand its just going to be that much worse.

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