What's next for the modern Motocross Bike?

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7/16/2019 11:32am
Well, they skipped the three stroke so I'm guessing a 6 stroke dirt bike. Or an 8 stroke. Not sure how these things progress.
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7/16/2019 11:59am
Hopefully 350s in SX before the electric bikes arrive and my interest in the sport leaves..
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7/16/2019 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2019 12:15pm
Its electric bikes no doubt. The technology is coming into automotive hard and fast, motorcycles will soon follow. IMO further developing the 4 stroke gas engine in dirt bikes doesn't really make much sense they already make more power than we can handle. All of the fancy crap that cars are doing right now, variable valve timing, variable valve lift, direct fuel injection, intake tuning, all of that will add minimal power yet add weight and complexity.
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7/16/2019 12:14pm
Intelligent Throttle Control.
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7/16/2019 12:25pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2019 12:27pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Intelligent Throttle Control.
IMU/Traction Control like in road racing. Allows for a less intrusive traction control + wheelie control.
7/16/2019 12:35pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2019 12:38pm
Hman144 wrote:
Electronically controlled suspension.
alex69 wrote:
Funny I saw last week a old video from I thought end 80's early 90's a teammanager said the same, in a area of 10 years...
Funny I saw last week a old video from I thought end 80's early 90's a teammanager said the same, in a area of 10 years we have electronically controlled suspension.
It's 30 years laters and we are still waiting when it's going to happen.
Mx is still the most affordable tact of motorsport because it's still pretty simpel, please leave it this way it's expansive enough.
Except for the fact that the technology is already commercially available through snowmobiles at the moment (Fox Shox IQS System) as opposed to the pipe dream in the 80's.

We're a lot closer to it than people think because the same shit gets repeated over and over on vital ad nauseum.
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7/16/2019 1:46pm
Ejector seats with a parachute wouldn't go a miss
Now this is a feature I’d be willing to pay a premium for...
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7/16/2019 2:09pm
alex69 wrote:
Funny I saw last week a old video from I thought end 80's early 90's a teammanager said the same, in a area of 10 years...
Funny I saw last week a old video from I thought end 80's early 90's a teammanager said the same, in a area of 10 years we have electronically controlled suspension.
It's 30 years laters and we are still waiting when it's going to happen.
Mx is still the most affordable tact of motorsport because it's still pretty simpel, please leave it this way it's expansive enough.
Your post reminded me that I read an old article around 2000 where Danny LaPorte was testing something suspension related FMF was working on if I remember correctly. It was supposed to keep the bike at the optimum ride height in the suspension travel
7/16/2019 3:02pm
Racer111 wrote:
Electric riding for all the pussies that constantly say “I won’t buy a bike without electric start!”
Guess you still want horse and buggy? What about carbs on your daily driver? Hell, let's get rid of ovens and just fucking bury our meat in the ground on top of hot coals instead of bbq'ing it?
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Intelligent Throttle Control.
Already been invented...

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7/16/2019 8:43pm Edited Date/Time 7/17/2019 12:05am
Modern streetbike traction control is better. Paired with an IMU, or inertial measurment unit it allows for perfectly controlled slides. That way you can abuse your tires instead of your clutch.
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7/16/2019 11:43pm
Personally, I want to see what one of these can do in an MX chassis.. Pretty much a 'three stroke'
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7/16/2019 11:46pm
Dual color powerbands will soon be a massive leap in tech.
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Electronically controlled suspension is nothing new in Motogp and F1.
All the data can read out immediately and be adjust if necessary.

Remember the Williams F1 car from Mansell with the active suspension it was unbeatable and very expensive and was forbidden to use after 2 years because there was no competition any more.

My suspension guy is a former WP development employee and was also testdriver so he have seen and tested a lot of new ideas.

The WP development department is/was located in Malden the Netherlands and produce also the special parts for the factory teams, the production for the custumer bikes is moved to Austria years ago.
All the "new things" have been developed and tested for years ago.
The most are not reliable enough (dirtbikes have a very high impact on the suspension so material problems) or is simply to expensive for commercial use.
Also the budget in the Mx are peanuts compare to the budgets of the road racing.
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7/17/2019 4:13am
Advancements that would cut lap times the most are Traction Control and ABS brakes. But those would cut so much into what MX is all about I doubt we will see either in mass production soon.
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7/17/2019 4:31am
cody41 wrote:
People resorting to simple machines because the new “gizmos” end up being problems.
Odd that you mentioned this. I just saw a YouTube video of farmers in Nebraska organizing a group and getting a state representative involved on a bill called “Right to Repair” where they are trying to get legislation passed that allows farmers access to technology that will allow them to troubleshoot their equipment instead of being forced to go to a dealer. Anything new with ECU tech controlling the machine puts you at the mercy of the manufacturer/dealer. I work in construction and have equipment and trucks and I’m seriously considering going full retro on everything. Stuff I can fix or at the very least patch together to get the job done.
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Fonzarelli wrote:
Advancements that would cut lap times the most are Traction Control and ABS brakes. But those would cut so much into what MX is all about...
Advancements that would cut lap times the most are Traction Control and ABS brakes. But those would cut so much into what MX is all about I doubt we will see either in mass production soon.
A good example what electronic in the can do is the WSBK.
Kawasaki and Ducatie are mostly unbeatable Yamaha can follow them a little behind.
But the Honda Cbr is outdated
But in the British superbike they still win races just because electronic aren't allowed and ii's pure rider's skills, and not who have the best electronics. The topriders have all equal speed it's pure the bike.
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7/18/2019 3:55pm
Observation rather than opinion.

E-MX to gain huge popularity. The younger set that are into electronic technology (all of them) have a real fascination with them, along with E-mtb. It ticks all the boxes, freedom, noise (lack of) and low maintenance apart from changing motor profiles by Bluetooth.😀 They have little interest in ICE engines. I was in a sports bar the other night and a replay of Ty Tremaine on an Alta in Endurocross was on and the dudes were loving it.

I’m 55 and love my two strokes, but it is coming if handled well by the manufacturers. Alta kind of fucked up.
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7/18/2019 7:49pm
Dropbear wrote:
Observation rather than opinion. E-MX to gain huge popularity. The younger set that are into electronic technology (all of them) have a real fascination with them...
Observation rather than opinion.

E-MX to gain huge popularity. The younger set that are into electronic technology (all of them) have a real fascination with them, along with E-mtb. It ticks all the boxes, freedom, noise (lack of) and low maintenance apart from changing motor profiles by Bluetooth.😀 They have little interest in ICE engines. I was in a sports bar the other night and a replay of Ty Tremaine on an Alta in Endurocross was on and the dudes were loving it.

I’m 55 and love my two strokes, but it is coming if handled well by the manufacturers. Alta kind of fucked up.
We definitely don't need faster more powerful bikes. The threshold of the human body/speed/inertia and those sudden stops, body against ground have been exceeded. This sport does not have roll cages to protect the human body. I think "bike guy 321" has the best outlook to sustain this sport for the future demographic. I say 30hp battery powered motor with a 2hr run time crammed into a 125 chassis weighing less than 200lbs would be a step in the right direction. Build it and they will come. For under 8k too.
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7/18/2019 7:54pm
Guard Ramps - Ramps that automatically hit someone if they try to steal your bike.
7/18/2019 8:03pm
The Future ^.
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7/18/2019 8:15pm
motox331 wrote:
Honda is going to add Vtec and spoilers to their bikes. Oh and make them front wheel drive.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see some sort of vvt or lift control in a Honda...
7/19/2019 12:24am
Thor34103 wrote:
Hopefully 350s in SX before the electric bikes arrive and my interest in the sport leaves..
If every KTM rider turned up at A1 next January riding an undercover 350cc, you wouldn’t even notice a difference.
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7/19/2019 12:54am
efi two strokes
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7/19/2019 1:24am
I think this is worth posting: https://www.hvr-bikes.com/english/

I never heard of them before, but what raised my interest is the person behind it, Nina Deitermann. A quick google search reveals she was a couple of years at KTM as an R&D engineer in the electro mobility area.

They incorporate some neat functions. By app you can adjust power, get updates, remote servicing, ...
For roughly 3K, this is pretty interesting!
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7/19/2019 3:04am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2019 3:07am
Active Suspension Control is specifically banned in MotoGP, WSBK, and, I think, MXGP. BMW's, Yamaha's, Ducati's, Aprilia's and any others Road Bike E suspension systems are not allowed to be raced in WSBK.

Enough people bitch about the cost of bikes here, as it is. Even with E Tech getting cheaper, Active suspension would add a quite some cost, to a bike. And, as good as the aforementioned companies E Suspension is on their Road Bikes, I don't think anyone has left it on for the IOM races, where, I think they could do so.

VVT is something I could see coming into 4t MXers / Enduro Bikes . Suzuki, BMW, Ducati and others have introduced mechanical / hydraulic VVT systems to their Street Superbikes to circumvent the Non Electric VVT rules in WSBK. Hell, Honda and Suzuki, at the least, had VVT type systems on various 400cc and 250cc 4t Road Bikes way back in the 90s.

The KTM E Freeride has been sold in some markets for a few years now - I've ridden them a few times in Europe. The desire, and wait, for me, is for when they apply it to EXC level bikes. For my local riding, such a thing would be perfect. I hope they, or Honda , or others, don't make the bloody things too expensive. You'd hope that far bigger companies ( well, KTM is still a minnow, compared to the Japanese companies, despite what some think) could make E bikes of real performance levels, and could sell them cheaper than the (bloody impressive) Altas. Economies Of Scale, and all that. Harleys E bike comes out shortly, but I think I read that it's going to be a $28,000 /29,000 USD bike. Take up on that, at that price, will be 'interesting'.
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7/19/2019 3:22am
Bring back works bikes for pro competition. However, amateur (and consumer) motocross performance constraints must acknowledge suspension technology progress. Suspension technology is a core part of Motocross and should remain so.
But slow the bikes down. Let amateurs (and consumers) show technique before trying to hit huge gaps and smearing themselves all over hospital wards.
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7/19/2019 5:43am
What’s next........................a price so high not everyone can buy a new one!
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7/19/2019 3:49pm Edited Date/Time 7/19/2019 3:50pm
mxbonz wrote:
My Ever Ready flashlight takes 2 DD batteries but I've never known of anyone who's called it an "Electric light". Battery powered motorcycles might catch on...
My Ever Ready flashlight takes 2 DD batteries but I've never known of anyone who's called it an "Electric light".

Battery powered motorcycles might catch on as sometimes supply can create it's own demand.

Battery bikes and 2 stroke EFI over the next 10 years.

"Build it and they will come"...." I didn't want that 125 Elsinore til I knew it was available..."

Electric Harley defeats much of the appeal of a Harley.... A big, long, loud,V-Twin, cruisin' machine....Time will tell.

Personally I never bought a 4 stroke, and all of the "New found religion" of 125 popularity reminds me of all the people who discovered the Doors in the early 90's....Been here the whole time...Enjoy the music...

"World War 4 will be fought with bows and arrows"......The future is a 68 Twin Pipe CZ.
You're thinking of the wrong thing when you are saying 2 DD ( or double D )
You wife might have 2DDs but your flashlight has 2 D batteries.

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