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AMart rode great yesterday though.
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JGR has how many titles? And KTM has how many? If I were JGR I would try and replicate whatever it is that they are doing. If it’s just hire a rider, then you better get your ass out there and get one. If it’s that easy you would have thought they would have done that by now.
If it’s Aldon Baker, then you best go get one just like him. If it’s DeCoster, well there is only one of him so your pretty screwed there..... I am glad they are in the sport and don’t want them to leave. I just wish they were more towards the sharp end of the pack.
Good job A Mart, he rode his ass off. I like Troll he’s a good guy.
Were they not getting all the power they could before? Found a new piston setup? Etc?
Always liked the Martin brothers and can't help but root for AMart on the (underdog) Suzuki.
None of us really know how competitive the Suzuki is. Are AMart's poor finishes a result of the bike, him or a combination of the two?
How would another rider do on the Suzuki? Is JGR satisfied with AMart based on what they are giving him to work with? How would AMart do on a Yamaha?
I don't recall anything about either Martin brother being known for not giving it all they had.
And everything can't be blamed on the team/bike. Just listen to Hampshire and Lawrence (Matthes post race pod from Red Bud), they are pretty adamant that they are on "underpowered" bikes too.
Anyways, i hope he has found something and continues with these kind of rides!
You idiots take those two motos. Everyone else and I can take the dozens of other motos.
Number one I would say it's money. Number 2 what top rider would ride for JGR at this point? I think they will have to get lucky with bringing a rider up from the amateurs.
250 Class MX Holeshots
Yam - 7
Ktm - 2
Hus - 1
Kaw - 2
Suz - 2
250 Class SX Main Holeshots (not including triple crowns)
Yam - 3
Ktm - 3
Hus - 1
Kaw - 6
Suz - 2
Hon - 1
So 4 holeshots out of 30. 4/30 = 13 PERCENT.
Whoever upvoted this turd thread is ignorant. Can't wait to see the salty downvoters when i get home. You're all clueless!
Engine development happens slowly and there are no secrets in that world. You are limited by certain design factors in most engines.
For example - the rmz isn't a down draft style head or intake. The head flow and quaility of flow is limited by this quite a bit - however jgr is welding up and moving the port up - helping this.
Or bore and stroke size...both the kx, rmz, and yzf are very similar here. This determines maximum valve size and thus max flow along wiht maximum RPM due to piston speed and G loading.
The fact the RMZ has been up front on a host of starts is proof it's capable vs all other bikes
Same with the PC kawi - it's been fast all year. It also cleared the leap with the largest rider in class (almost).
I watched the KTM's clear the leap cleanly in practice - and yet "word is" they are "behind" in power in usa...who knows - in europe they certainly are not.
We KNOW the yamaha's to be the "benchmark" but here are some facts
The honda and ktm both have larger valves than the yamaha. This is a by product of their shorter stroke and larger bore size.
Per rules you can not change the bore or stroke from stock
You CAN increase the yamaha valve size - but not as much as ktm or crf because they have more room.
Larger valves is NOT necessarily the answer - the crf is larger than KTM but KTM romps the CRF stock to stock in most of the curve. But larger valves DOES offer POTENTIAL flow increases that could potentially add power.
The honda has a MORE dead straight intake than yamaha - with current design. This is a huge plus in air flow
RPM is essentially the thing a lot of teams chase - coupled of course to power. added RPM if you maintain power to the limiter is the exact same end result as gaining torque in the curve. Gaining torque in teh curve requires more air/fuel and conversion of that energy - something very hard to make huge gains in now days.
EVERY team has smart people.
EVERY team has unlimited spending for development
EVERY team know people in various forms of racing - outside of moto
They ALL are within 5 percent of one another at WORST case scenario. I'd estimate best engine to worst at ANY point in the torque curve is under 3 percent different, but let's call it 5 percent for arguments sake
That's a measly 1lb ft difference MAX at peak torque.
Sorry - but you dont win or loose a race because of 1lb ft difference.
I have no doubt amart could have made the leap. He said early in the day he choose not to - and just stuck with that all day. that choice is a balance of risk and reward. A slight case and he could end his day - while he is still building for the season.
I DO agree the yamaha's are fast. But I would venture to say not nearly AS fast as people make them out to be
What they do really really well is a perfect balance of USABLE low end torque that allows them to roll on rather than rev and clutch a lot - which makes them PUT all that power down without wheel spin and feel really really fast because they are MORE 450 like in that manner - their part throttle power is fantastic.
that couple that to a great peak number and high RPM level - enough to keep the gains they get coming off the turn from the above.
I'd wager that the gieco CRF's might make more peak hp right now - but the delivery isn't satisfying to the riders.
The fact that the PC kawi and JGR rmz are CLEARLY very close to the yzf - means that even the "older engine designs" of those bikes can still be taken to a very high level. I also think KTM being so quiet is actually holding themselves back - which is their global philosophy IMHO. It's obvious whatever is inside the pipes of the rmz or yzf, PC kx - is far louder than ktm. In my testing - we recently saw a 3 hp improvement in a non sound legal pipe that was a reverse megaphone with a HUGE core and short can.
I shit a brick - as I had no idea that was gonna be possible on what I thought was already a really good exhaust.
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If the Zuk had like 18 HP (like most of Vital believes it has) and the Yamahas had 69HP and every other factory bike had 40-50HP, then it would never get a single holeshot against other pro riders unless they all fell asleep on the line.
250 MX & SX Holeshots
Yam - 10/30 = 33%
Kaw- 8/30 = 27%
KTM - 5/30 = 17%
Suz - 4/30 = 13%
Hus- 2/30 = 7%
Hon - 1/30 = 3%
Seems you've done a good job of convincing us otherwise, especially if you took into consideration just how few Suzukis are on the line compared to KTMs or Hondas.
If this is a "turd thread" than maybe it's because of the distinct sewerage smell coming from your posts?
Considering you are wanting to go in to percentages, would you not then have to factor in the total number of each manufactures bikes on the line.
In Which case you could argue that as a percentage Suzuki is probably leading the way in holeshots so far this year.
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