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Matthes 6/25/2019 12:37pm
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Sir wrote:
How about those throwing these accusations provide details on what was supposedly different and in turn illegal about Herlings' bike.
jorgechavez wrote:
Maybe instead of getting second hand information through Vital you should use that noggin of yours to get the information yourself. The accuser (Matthes) has said...
Maybe instead of getting second hand information through Vital you should use that noggin of yours to get the information yourself. The accuser (Matthes) has said he "wouldn't be surprised" if Herlings ran an illegal frame at Ironman.

I'm not sure what more details you want, I highly doubt KTM would let anyone know the details of what they've actually done to the frames Herlings and Cairoli run.
Pretty much what I said Jorge, never said they did it for sure..I have no proof. But I wouldn't be surprised at all because the bikes are so different and for the limited time JH would have on an USA bike it might hurt his performance.

Oh and how would I know enough to throw something like this out there? Because I worked at KTM and we cheated back then. And we cheated with other teams I was on as well. Nothing big but small stuff that would never be caught.

So maybe I was on the only three teams in the history of the sport that skirted the rules or maybe, just maybe, other teams do it so I could throw out an idea or theory or a question out there and actually know what I'm talking about.

Or maybe, just maybe I've been overseas a lot and talked to some mechanics/ex-mechanics for KTM factory teams in my time and asked them about the differences in production/race frames?

But feel free to just run with whatever you think I said I guess.
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Thanks for the info about JA guys 😂
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Saji (Still don't know about the spelling) is a trainer. Don't know this story but assume it relates to that. Think Ping mentioned that Tickle might...
Saji (Still don't know about the spelling) is a trainer. Don't know this story but assume it relates to that.

Think Ping mentioned that Tickle might have (allegedly) done the same thing to him also actually?
The Tickle thing was some dispute between him and paul lindsey.
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Sir wrote:
How about those throwing these accusations provide details on what was supposedly different and in turn illegal about Herlings' bike.
jorgechavez wrote:
Maybe instead of getting second hand information through Vital you should use that noggin of yours to get the information yourself. The accuser (Matthes) has said...
Maybe instead of getting second hand information through Vital you should use that noggin of yours to get the information yourself. The accuser (Matthes) has said he "wouldn't be surprised" if Herlings ran an illegal frame at Ironman.

I'm not sure what more details you want, I highly doubt KTM would let anyone know the details of what they've actually done to the frames Herlings and Cairoli run.
Matthes wrote:
Pretty much what I said Jorge, never said they did it for sure..I have no proof. But I wouldn't be surprised at all because the bikes...
Pretty much what I said Jorge, never said they did it for sure..I have no proof. But I wouldn't be surprised at all because the bikes are so different and for the limited time JH would have on an USA bike it might hurt his performance.

Oh and how would I know enough to throw something like this out there? Because I worked at KTM and we cheated back then. And we cheated with other teams I was on as well. Nothing big but small stuff that would never be caught.

So maybe I was on the only three teams in the history of the sport that skirted the rules or maybe, just maybe, other teams do it so I could throw out an idea or theory or a question out there and actually know what I'm talking about.

Or maybe, just maybe I've been overseas a lot and talked to some mechanics/ex-mechanics for KTM factory teams in my time and asked them about the differences in production/race frames?

But feel free to just run with whatever you think I said I guess.
Gonna need a screen shot of nerds phone to confirm this...
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slowgti 6/25/2019 1:08pm
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So what was in Davi's locker?
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yak651 wrote:
Gonna need a screen shot of nerds phone to confirm this...
LOL, yup I believe Mike is still waiting for Nerd to contact him. Not holding my breath, Steve will just run with what he wants to believe I guess.
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slowgti wrote:
So what was in Davi's locker?
I don't know for sure but I believe it was an anti-inflammatory that you needed an RX for and he didn't have one.
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I don't know for sure but I believe it was an anti-inflammatory that you needed an RX for and he didn't have one.
Closest thing to a real answer I've ever heard to that. Thanks Steve
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Sir wrote:
How about those throwing these accusations provide details on what was supposedly different and in turn illegal about Herlings' bike.
jorgechavez wrote:
Maybe instead of getting second hand information through Vital you should use that noggin of yours to get the information yourself. The accuser (Matthes) has said...
Maybe instead of getting second hand information through Vital you should use that noggin of yours to get the information yourself. The accuser (Matthes) has said he "wouldn't be surprised" if Herlings ran an illegal frame at Ironman.

I'm not sure what more details you want, I highly doubt KTM would let anyone know the details of what they've actually done to the frames Herlings and Cairoli run.
Matthes wrote:
Pretty much what I said Jorge, never said they did it for sure..I have no proof. But I wouldn't be surprised at all because the bikes...
Pretty much what I said Jorge, never said they did it for sure..I have no proof. But I wouldn't be surprised at all because the bikes are so different and for the limited time JH would have on an USA bike it might hurt his performance.

Oh and how would I know enough to throw something like this out there? Because I worked at KTM and we cheated back then. And we cheated with other teams I was on as well. Nothing big but small stuff that would never be caught.

So maybe I was on the only three teams in the history of the sport that skirted the rules or maybe, just maybe, other teams do it so I could throw out an idea or theory or a question out there and actually know what I'm talking about.

Or maybe, just maybe I've been overseas a lot and talked to some mechanics/ex-mechanics for KTM factory teams in my time and asked them about the differences in production/race frames?

But feel free to just run with whatever you think I said I guess.
So all the manufacturers are cheaters? Seriously? Thats sad if it’s true and I’ll never look at this sport the same.
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jjavaman wrote:
So all the manufacturers are cheaters? Seriously? Thats sad if it’s true and I’ll never look at this sport the same.
Make sure you never look at Ford, Chevy, Toyota the same either then. NASCAR teams cheat all the time.
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slowgti wrote:
Closest thing to a real answer I've ever heard to that. Thanks Steve
I can't remember who said it but it's been said before. Toradol is what was in his locker which is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug. Davi didn't have a prescription for it.
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TymeMoto wrote:
I don’t think Tony ever said there was a drug ring, I believe that was something that Jeff posted on here.
You need to listen to that show. He absolutely said that. That rant is epic.

Only thing I remember Mathes saying was that people have modified frames and removed material/added etc for years.
I'm sure lots of things slip by tech. Lets be honest, do they even know what they are looking at? Probably not.

Teams cheat in all forms of motorsports.


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wolf918 6/25/2019 1:35pm
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Mathe’s putting it all on the table today! Since your close to the kawi guys, do you think they will support tomac in assen if he wants to go this year?
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Mathe’s putting it all on the table today! Since your close to the kawi guys, do you think they will support tomac in assen if he...
Mathe’s putting it all on the table today! Since your close to the kawi guys, do you think they will support tomac in assen if he wants to go this year?
I've been told that Kawasaki doesn't want to/won't go to the MXDN this year regardless of what ET wants. We'll see though, the green claw has a lot of say over there and they title the MXDN. It could change.
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Richard Tease II 6/25/2019 1:59pm
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wolf918 wrote:
Mathe’s putting it all on the table today! Since your close to the kawi guys, do you think they will support tomac in assen if he...
Mathe’s putting it all on the table today! Since your close to the kawi guys, do you think they will support tomac in assen if he wants to go this year?
Matthes wrote:
I've been told that Kawasaki doesn't want to/won't go to the MXDN this year regardless of what ET wants. We'll see though, the green claw has...
I've been told that Kawasaki doesn't want to/won't go to the MXDN this year regardless of what ET wants. We'll see though, the green claw has a lot of say over there and they title the MXDN. It could change.
Is Kawi saying their not going to help take some of the heat of Eli for when he declines his offer to go?
Great get out card for Eli
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jjavaman wrote:
So all the manufacturers are cheaters? Seriously? Thats sad if it’s true and I’ll never look at this sport the same.
Everybodies looking for an edge. Anyone who is surprised when an athlete pops or Nascar or F1 teams get caught is just naive.

I'm still shocked they don't weight test bikes AFTER the race and give them a variance for dirt buildup.

You can strip 50 lbs off a bike after tech. It's been done in road racing for years, until the tech people got smart.

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77Moto wrote:
You need to listen to that show. He absolutely said that. That rant is epic. Only thing I remember Mathes saying was that people have modified...
You need to listen to that show. He absolutely said that. That rant is epic.

Only thing I remember Mathes saying was that people have modified frames and removed material/added etc for years.
I'm sure lots of things slip by tech. Lets be honest, do they even know what they are looking at? Probably not.

Teams cheat in all forms of motorsports.


Teams in other forms of motorsport worldwide may skirt close to the edge of what is allowed a' la Ducati in MotoGP with their swingarm aero, or Honda and the Moto3 rev limit saga (KTM accusing Honda of exceeding rev limits), but out and out cheating is met with firm penalties in whatever form they take, and the governing bodies usually clear up the regulations to (try to) ensure it doesn't happen again.

I am staggered that cheating is allowed to go unchecked in the world of professional motocross, it is a shame really.

Thanks for clarifying Steve.
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Cheating?

In Professional Motorsports?

NO WAY!

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jjavaman wrote:
So all the manufacturers are cheaters? Seriously? Thats sad if it’s true and I’ll never look at this sport the same.
77Moto wrote:
Everybodies looking for an edge. Anyone who is surprised when an athlete pops or Nascar or F1 teams get caught is just naive. I'm still shocked...
Everybodies looking for an edge. Anyone who is surprised when an athlete pops or Nascar or F1 teams get caught is just naive.

I'm still shocked they don't weight test bikes AFTER the race and give them a variance for dirt buildup.

You can strip 50 lbs off a bike after tech. It's been done in road racing for years, until the tech people got smart.

OK, I'll bite. How can you strip 50 lbs off a bike after tech, or ever?
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You throw your engine in the garbage and replace it with a cardboard mockup painted silver. Big advantage on all the downhill sections.
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jjavaman wrote:
So all the manufacturers are cheaters? Seriously? Thats sad if it’s true and I’ll never look at this sport the same.
Are you serious with this?



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shiftmx_22 6/25/2019 3:27pm
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TymeMoto wrote:
I don’t think Tony ever said there was a drug ring, I believe that was something that Jeff posted on here.
Actually I think you might be right. I can picture it in my head now, Jeff mashing on his keyboard in all caps things like:

"THERE'S A DRUG RING INSIDE OF MX SPORTS!"

and

"THAT GUY'S GOING DOWN!"

and

"THERE'S SERIOUS SHIT GOING ON WITH THOSE GUYS"
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wolf918 wrote:
Mathe’s putting it all on the table today! Since your close to the kawi guys, do you think they will support tomac in assen if he...
Mathe’s putting it all on the table today! Since your close to the kawi guys, do you think they will support tomac in assen if he wants to go this year?
Matthes wrote:
I've been told that Kawasaki doesn't want to/won't go to the MXDN this year regardless of what ET wants. We'll see though, the green claw has...
I've been told that Kawasaki doesn't want to/won't go to the MXDN this year regardless of what ET wants. We'll see though, the green claw has a lot of say over there and they title the MXDN. It could change.
That makes me really sad.
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Crush wrote:
Saji (Still don't know about the spelling) is a trainer. Don't know this story but assume it relates to that. Think Ping mentioned that Tickle might...
Saji (Still don't know about the spelling) is a trainer. Don't know this story but assume it relates to that.

Think Ping mentioned that Tickle might have (allegedly) done the same thing to him also actually?
dkg wrote:
The Tickle thing was some dispute between him and paul lindsey.
Between Tickle and Lindsey? Eh?

I don't think Ping ranted just the once about it, pretty sure it was Seji.
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TymeMoto wrote:
I don’t think Tony ever said there was a drug ring, I believe that was something that Jeff posted on here.
shiftmx_22 wrote:
Actually I think you might be right. I can picture it in my head now, Jeff mashing on his keyboard in all caps things like: "THERE'S...
Actually I think you might be right. I can picture it in my head now, Jeff mashing on his keyboard in all caps things like:

"THERE'S A DRUG RING INSIDE OF MX SPORTS!"

and

"THAT GUY'S GOING DOWN!"

and

"THERE'S SERIOUS SHIT GOING ON WITH THOSE GUYS"
There are drops on the Pulp show of Tony saying that stuff
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That makes me really sad.
At first I thought that as well, but when you think about all the AMA riders have going against them including the cost of getting over there it makes sense. It sucks for us fans though.
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jjavaman wrote:
So all the manufacturers are cheaters? Seriously? Thats sad if it’s true and I’ll never look at this sport the same.
There's always baseball. Oh wait.....
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Derek Harris 6/25/2019 9:35pm
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jjavaman wrote:
So all the manufacturers are cheaters? Seriously? Thats sad if it’s true and I’ll never look at this sport the same.
Matthes wrote:
Make sure you never look at Ford, Chevy, Toyota the same either then. NASCAR teams cheat all the time.
If you aren’t cheating you aren’t racing

It’s getting caught that defines cheater from winner.

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Sir wrote:
How about those throwing these accusations provide details on what was supposedly different and in turn illegal about Herlings' bike.
jorgechavez wrote:
Maybe instead of getting second hand information through Vital you should use that noggin of yours to get the information yourself. The accuser (Matthes) has said...
Maybe instead of getting second hand information through Vital you should use that noggin of yours to get the information yourself. The accuser (Matthes) has said he "wouldn't be surprised" if Herlings ran an illegal frame at Ironman.

I'm not sure what more details you want, I highly doubt KTM would let anyone know the details of what they've actually done to the frames Herlings and Cairoli run.
Matthes wrote:
Pretty much what I said Jorge, never said they did it for sure..I have no proof. But I wouldn't be surprised at all because the bikes...
Pretty much what I said Jorge, never said they did it for sure..I have no proof. But I wouldn't be surprised at all because the bikes are so different and for the limited time JH would have on an USA bike it might hurt his performance.

Oh and how would I know enough to throw something like this out there? Because I worked at KTM and we cheated back then. And we cheated with other teams I was on as well. Nothing big but small stuff that would never be caught.

So maybe I was on the only three teams in the history of the sport that skirted the rules or maybe, just maybe, other teams do it so I could throw out an idea or theory or a question out there and actually know what I'm talking about.

Or maybe, just maybe I've been overseas a lot and talked to some mechanics/ex-mechanics for KTM factory teams in my time and asked them about the differences in production/race frames?

But feel free to just run with whatever you think I said I guess.
Next your going to tell us Samsonite made more than ONE Black luggage Bag !!!!!!!!!
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So Mathes says Herlings was using stiffer frame than stock bike. Im pretty sure they did have run same geometry because that can be measured on tech but if they wanted stiffer frame they are allowed to add material to frame by rules. How much material is different from frame to frame when they make frames or was there really need to use thicker tubing for Herlings i doubt it. Sure his pegs are mounted different position but again that you can modify by rules as longer riders run pegs more rearward position. What was the illegal part would be nice to hear and how much that would have helped Herlings that could smoke most of the field with stock bike from shop floor. Im sure back in the day in 80' people did modify stuff but KTM has been making bikes better for rider likings year after year and they can get what they want following rules now.
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