HARLEY DAVIDSON SPEAKS TO "DECLINING BIKE SALES”,BLAMING MILLENIALS.

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5/8/2019 2:53pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2019 2:58pm
motogrady wrote:
:laugh: Well, as a boomer, I remember my old man making fun of long hair, bell bottoms and free love. But I never blamed his, The...

Laughing Well, as a boomer, I remember my old man making fun of long hair, bell bottoms and free love.

But I never blamed his, The Greatest, for my grief and woe.

All this talk about the generations got me interested.
I wonder, which was the best to be a part of.......


In my book and without a doubt, its the Greatest generation and specifically those who fought WWII. Those men and women established the US and its allies at the top of the food chain through their fighting efforts and the expanding economy that flourished when they came home and continued to kick ass. We were able to live under the umbrella of what they established for us for better than half a century.

P.S. What a shitstorm of a thread this is. The golden rule gets sure gets obliterated these days on this here internet thingy.
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No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck. Thanks...
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck.
Thanks baby boomers for being greedy and fucking up the market flipping homes and buying multiple rental houses so young couples can throw away $2500 in rent every month while you pay one of your mortgages.
Laughing

There it is.

It's my fault you can't make enough to live the lifestyle you want.

effin gold
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No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck. Thanks...
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck.
Thanks baby boomers for being greedy and fucking up the market flipping homes and buying multiple rental houses so young couples can throw away $2500 in rent every month while you pay one of your mortgages.
Why would you blame people for flipping homes and buying rentals? Home prices go up and down with the rest of the economy. A $150k dollar home in the 80s (with a 15% interest rate or higher compared to 4.25% now) was as expensive for them then as a $400k home is for us now. People aren't being greedy they are being smart. They are building a future for themselves and their families. A lot of times a guaranteed retirement. That's not the boomers fault. I am myself am at the beginning stages of doing it and I'm 28. Do yourself a favor and buy a home that is under the average price and live in it fix it up enough (without going overboard) to where it's worth average home value or more. Watch your equity grow and you'll see what all the rage is about. If you plan on living in the same house you can pay it down and sell it whenever you're ready to retire and if you do it at the right time you'll most likely be able to buy a reasonable home wherever you want with a lotta money extra. If the home isn't worth a lot more when you retire than when you bought it we are all most likely going to be in deep shit anyways. Or you can sell it and keep upgrading your home. The possibilities are endless. Why wouldn't you want that for yourself. There's a difference between being wealthy and being greedy. Good luck! Home ownership is great and if you do buy one to fix up it may get stressful but will all be worth it in the end!
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5/8/2019 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2019 3:08pm
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Found the parent of a millennial or someone who is just about the right age to be one. Since we're all making broad assumptions about people...
Found the parent of a millennial or someone who is just about the right age to be one.

Since we're all making broad assumptions about people based mostly on personal anecdotes, I figured I might as well throw my hat in the ring too
Someone once told me Adam Chatfield's dad would do things like drive around all day and spend $100 in gas to save $50 on a couch...
Someone once told me Adam Chatfield's dad would do things like drive around all day and spend $100 in gas to save $50 on a couch. Maybe not a true story but metaphorically it was funny.
He also did things like find a sugar mama to build kick ass training facilities for his Son funded by girls forced into prostitution in order to work off their smuggling fees. I think we're officially off the rails now . . .
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Back to the HD bike thing, it's nobodies fault but their own they are in their current position.

Electric sport bikes that cost 22k. Electric scooters.
Yeah, right, that's the answer.
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5/8/2019 3:27pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2019 3:29pm
zehn wrote:
Found the parent of a millennial or someone who is just about the right age to be one. Since we're all making broad assumptions about people...
Found the parent of a millennial or someone who is just about the right age to be one.

Since we're all making broad assumptions about people based mostly on personal anecdotes, I figured I might as well throw my hat in the ring too
Someone once told me Adam Chatfield's dad would do things like drive around all day and spend $100 in gas to save $50 on a couch...
Someone once told me Adam Chatfield's dad would do things like drive around all day and spend $100 in gas to save $50 on a couch. Maybe not a true story but metaphorically it was funny.
GrapeApe wrote:
He also did things like find a sugar mama to build kick ass training facilities for his Son funded by girls forced into prostitution in order...
He also did things like find a sugar mama to build kick ass training facilities for his Son funded by girls forced into prostitution in order to work off their smuggling fees. I think we're officially off the rails now . . .
edit - I saw you were in McKinney after posting. If you've been around DFW for a while I don't need to explain any more.

I knew bring up that last name would devolve in to that story. That metaphor was from when they moved to Greenville, TX and bought the track/home in the early to mid 2000's. Another, much nicer, English guy runs it now.
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5/8/2019 3:32pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2019 3:33pm
Someone once told me Adam Chatfield's dad would do things like drive around all day and spend $100 in gas to save $50 on a couch...
Someone once told me Adam Chatfield's dad would do things like drive around all day and spend $100 in gas to save $50 on a couch. Maybe not a true story but metaphorically it was funny.
GrapeApe wrote:
He also did things like find a sugar mama to build kick ass training facilities for his Son funded by girls forced into prostitution in order...
He also did things like find a sugar mama to build kick ass training facilities for his Son funded by girls forced into prostitution in order to work off their smuggling fees. I think we're officially off the rails now . . .
edit - I saw you were in McKinney after posting. If you've been around DFW for a while I don't need to explain any more. I...
edit - I saw you were in McKinney after posting. If you've been around DFW for a while I don't need to explain any more.

I knew bring up that last name would devolve in to that story. That metaphor was from when they moved to Greenville, TX and bought the track/home in the early to mid 2000's. Another, much nicer, English guy runs it now.
I haven't been out to Greenville in a while but I used to ride out there frequently. I remember seeing Alessi's claimed supermini sitting in the barn, rusting. lol
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5/8/2019 4:41pm
psg119 wrote:
Why would you blame people for flipping homes and buying rentals? Home prices go up and down with the rest of the economy. A $150k dollar...
Why would you blame people for flipping homes and buying rentals? Home prices go up and down with the rest of the economy. A $150k dollar home in the 80s (with a 15% interest rate or higher compared to 4.25% now) was as expensive for them then as a $400k home is for us now. People aren't being greedy they are being smart. They are building a future for themselves and their families. A lot of times a guaranteed retirement. That's not the boomers fault. I am myself am at the beginning stages of doing it and I'm 28. Do yourself a favor and buy a home that is under the average price and live in it fix it up enough (without going overboard) to where it's worth average home value or more. Watch your equity grow and you'll see what all the rage is about. If you plan on living in the same house you can pay it down and sell it whenever you're ready to retire and if you do it at the right time you'll most likely be able to buy a reasonable home wherever you want with a lotta money extra. If the home isn't worth a lot more when you retire than when you bought it we are all most likely going to be in deep shit anyways. Or you can sell it and keep upgrading your home. The possibilities are endless. Why wouldn't you want that for yourself. There's a difference between being wealthy and being greedy. Good luck! Home ownership is great and if you do buy one to fix up it may get stressful but will all be worth it in the end!
My parents bought their home in the early 2000s for somewhere in the 300ks I think at a reasonable interest rate. Average pay for my job hasn't gone up much since then and now you're not touching a house for less than 500k, there's literally no way in hell you're making that happen on a single income. Part of the reason is companies or extremely wealthy individuals coming in and just buying them for cash right off the bat, a guy at my work thought he was fully closed on a house only to have the bank pull the rug out from under him for a cash offer at the last second. Another issue is dipshit voters in CA voting in every bond imaginable because they don't understand how it works, thus causing an increase in the already absurd property taxes and as a result, a significant increase in rent for those who don't own. I've pretty much just written off the prospect of ever owning a house, it's not happening any time in the foreseeable future and I'm not super stoked on the idea of paying 800k for a 500k house over the life of the loan. People can say equity this, equity that all they want, but you're still getting absolutely bent over through the life of the loan, plus if your foundation cracks or some other weird issue happens you've now earned yourself bankruptcy.

Maybe it's a good option for some people, but I'm just about ready to say F it and live in my damn van because I. So sick of the stupid housing market.
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psg119 wrote:
Why would you blame people for flipping homes and buying rentals? Home prices go up and down with the rest of the economy. A $150k dollar...
Why would you blame people for flipping homes and buying rentals? Home prices go up and down with the rest of the economy. A $150k dollar home in the 80s (with a 15% interest rate or higher compared to 4.25% now) was as expensive for them then as a $400k home is for us now. People aren't being greedy they are being smart. They are building a future for themselves and their families. A lot of times a guaranteed retirement. That's not the boomers fault. I am myself am at the beginning stages of doing it and I'm 28. Do yourself a favor and buy a home that is under the average price and live in it fix it up enough (without going overboard) to where it's worth average home value or more. Watch your equity grow and you'll see what all the rage is about. If you plan on living in the same house you can pay it down and sell it whenever you're ready to retire and if you do it at the right time you'll most likely be able to buy a reasonable home wherever you want with a lotta money extra. If the home isn't worth a lot more when you retire than when you bought it we are all most likely going to be in deep shit anyways. Or you can sell it and keep upgrading your home. The possibilities are endless. Why wouldn't you want that for yourself. There's a difference between being wealthy and being greedy. Good luck! Home ownership is great and if you do buy one to fix up it may get stressful but will all be worth it in the end!
JM485 wrote:
My parents bought their home in the early 2000s for somewhere in the 300ks I think at a reasonable interest rate. Average pay for my job...
My parents bought their home in the early 2000s for somewhere in the 300ks I think at a reasonable interest rate. Average pay for my job hasn't gone up much since then and now you're not touching a house for less than 500k, there's literally no way in hell you're making that happen on a single income. Part of the reason is companies or extremely wealthy individuals coming in and just buying them for cash right off the bat, a guy at my work thought he was fully closed on a house only to have the bank pull the rug out from under him for a cash offer at the last second. Another issue is dipshit voters in CA voting in every bond imaginable because they don't understand how it works, thus causing an increase in the already absurd property taxes and as a result, a significant increase in rent for those who don't own. I've pretty much just written off the prospect of ever owning a house, it's not happening any time in the foreseeable future and I'm not super stoked on the idea of paying 800k for a 500k house over the life of the loan. People can say equity this, equity that all they want, but you're still getting absolutely bent over through the life of the loan, plus if your foundation cracks or some other weird issue happens you've now earned yourself bankruptcy.

Maybe it's a good option for some people, but I'm just about ready to say F it and live in my damn van because I. So sick of the stupid housing market.
There's a lot of truth in what you say.

But, setting the GI bill aside, I really don't see a whole lot of difference between now and then.
I mean, back in 1975 I had a pretty good job.
Building ships. Pay. 4.25 an hour. Nobody I knew could afford a house. The only guys I knew that bought houses had gotten married and had their parents help them out.

I dunno guy. Banks will surely fuck u.
Just compare the purchase vs the monthly payment times the number of payments in the loan.

Last house I did with the bank as an example.
Between Baltimore and Annapolis. 118k was the purchase. 8%. 30 years, In 1995 that was an average rate.
Payments with 4K down were like $1,050. A month.
Stupid me, I'm thinking 118,000 times 1.08 the total
when done would be 127,440. Cool.
But that ain't how it works.
1,050 times 12 a year is 12,600.
Times 30 years is 378,000.
378,000 for a 118,000 house.
WTF?
It wasn't easy even then.

My advice, buy a cheap place 30 to 50 miles away from everything. Even if it's s single wide trailer. Get a small car and keep that good paying job in the city. Use the bank for as little as u can. Sure, they will make money on u, but not like a landlord will.
Hell, he's probably got to pay his bank plus what he wants for himself. Stay in the shack or trailer for 10 years and then hopefully sell it and get something closer to what u want. That's doable.

Unless u hit the lottery, which u shouldn't be playing, or inherent from a relative, that's the way it is. That's reality.
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I bought my Road King Classic new for $18k when I was 30 years old, and my house was worth $45k at the time. #poorlifedecisions
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psg119 wrote:
Why would you blame people for flipping homes and buying rentals? Home prices go up and down with the rest of the economy. A $150k dollar...
Why would you blame people for flipping homes and buying rentals? Home prices go up and down with the rest of the economy. A $150k dollar home in the 80s (with a 15% interest rate or higher compared to 4.25% now) was as expensive for them then as a $400k home is for us now. People aren't being greedy they are being smart. They are building a future for themselves and their families. A lot of times a guaranteed retirement. That's not the boomers fault. I am myself am at the beginning stages of doing it and I'm 28. Do yourself a favor and buy a home that is under the average price and live in it fix it up enough (without going overboard) to where it's worth average home value or more. Watch your equity grow and you'll see what all the rage is about. If you plan on living in the same house you can pay it down and sell it whenever you're ready to retire and if you do it at the right time you'll most likely be able to buy a reasonable home wherever you want with a lotta money extra. If the home isn't worth a lot more when you retire than when you bought it we are all most likely going to be in deep shit anyways. Or you can sell it and keep upgrading your home. The possibilities are endless. Why wouldn't you want that for yourself. There's a difference between being wealthy and being greedy. Good luck! Home ownership is great and if you do buy one to fix up it may get stressful but will all be worth it in the end!
JM485 wrote:
My parents bought their home in the early 2000s for somewhere in the 300ks I think at a reasonable interest rate. Average pay for my job...
My parents bought their home in the early 2000s for somewhere in the 300ks I think at a reasonable interest rate. Average pay for my job hasn't gone up much since then and now you're not touching a house for less than 500k, there's literally no way in hell you're making that happen on a single income. Part of the reason is companies or extremely wealthy individuals coming in and just buying them for cash right off the bat, a guy at my work thought he was fully closed on a house only to have the bank pull the rug out from under him for a cash offer at the last second. Another issue is dipshit voters in CA voting in every bond imaginable because they don't understand how it works, thus causing an increase in the already absurd property taxes and as a result, a significant increase in rent for those who don't own. I've pretty much just written off the prospect of ever owning a house, it's not happening any time in the foreseeable future and I'm not super stoked on the idea of paying 800k for a 500k house over the life of the loan. People can say equity this, equity that all they want, but you're still getting absolutely bent over through the life of the loan, plus if your foundation cracks or some other weird issue happens you've now earned yourself bankruptcy.

Maybe it's a good option for some people, but I'm just about ready to say F it and live in my damn van because I. So sick of the stupid housing market.
You live in the wrong part of the country. My payment is under $900/mo for a 2500sq.ft. home on 2 acres that is 20min from where I work. My wife and I earn $125k/yr combined and live super comfortably. I have money in the bank with no payments except on the house and SXS yet also have two newer MX bikes and a utility quad.

You can do better, it’s your choice of where to live that’s holding you back.
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Is this my 1st 10 pager? All the thoughtful conspiracies (some would say trolling) I put effort into and this cut and paste goes viral? Go figure? It's like a Catholic Confessional in here, everyone showing their ass too.Laughing So far no Admin's and I admire them for letting it go, at least everyone is having fun in between seasons!

Maybe the word Millenial or the name Harley Davidson promotes drunk posting?
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Harley's are clearly not great in terms of technology or performance, but they do have a certain charm when you ride them.

My colleague had a 1200 Sportster that I took for a spin and I quite enjoyed it. It's really about the look and feel of the bike, it's not my thing but if people like them then that's great.
5/8/2019 6:56pm
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Harley's have always been an old guy bike. Young guys ride crotch rockets.
Well they ain't buying crotch rockets either, all motorcycles are sufferings right now and it's a shame.Sad
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5/8/2019 8:36pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2019 8:37pm
I’m in the Gen Z/Millennial crowd. I can tell you what’s killing motorcycle sales is how scared and sheltered my generation is. I’m 17 and a sophomore in high school. I ride a 1200 custom to school whenever the weather lets me. All the kids ask me “How are you not scared to ride that thing? Arnt you scared you’ll crash and kill yourself?” 98% percent of my school thinks this. You would think this percentage would be different cause I come from a small country/ffa school where everyone has some kind of background in outdoor recreation.
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5/8/2019 9:08pm
motogrady wrote:
There's a lot of truth in what you say. But, setting the GI bill aside, I really don't see a whole lot of difference between now...
There's a lot of truth in what you say.

But, setting the GI bill aside, I really don't see a whole lot of difference between now and then.
I mean, back in 1975 I had a pretty good job.
Building ships. Pay. 4.25 an hour. Nobody I knew could afford a house. The only guys I knew that bought houses had gotten married and had their parents help them out.

I dunno guy. Banks will surely fuck u.
Just compare the purchase vs the monthly payment times the number of payments in the loan.

Last house I did with the bank as an example.
Between Baltimore and Annapolis. 118k was the purchase. 8%. 30 years, In 1995 that was an average rate.
Payments with 4K down were like $1,050. A month.
Stupid me, I'm thinking 118,000 times 1.08 the total
when done would be 127,440. Cool.
But that ain't how it works.
1,050 times 12 a year is 12,600.
Times 30 years is 378,000.
378,000 for a 118,000 house.
WTF?
It wasn't easy even then.

My advice, buy a cheap place 30 to 50 miles away from everything. Even if it's s single wide trailer. Get a small car and keep that good paying job in the city. Use the bank for as little as u can. Sure, they will make money on u, but not like a landlord will.
Hell, he's probably got to pay his bank plus what he wants for himself. Stay in the shack or trailer for 10 years and then hopefully sell it and get something closer to what u want. That's doable.

Unless u hit the lottery, which u shouldn't be playing, or inherent from a relative, that's the way it is. That's reality.
Not a bad piece of advise there. I'll admit I'm scared of a long commute, I live 15 mile from my job right now and it takes me 45 minutes on average to get there in the mornings leaving my house at 6:00am, its insane. My plan right now is to just move back to the town I went to college in, rent a house, and commute in to work on a train since my work will pay me to get things done on my laptop during the train ride. I get the idea of living out in the sticks and driving in every day but in this area that's just not a realistic option, your quality of life is going to be horrendous. I've realized that I'm never going to get ahead doing the same old thing of working for someone else so they can get rich, so I'm hoping to start my own company at some point once I can find a niche to fill. No major rush, but between that and investments I'm hoping I can live comfortably at some point, regardless of whether that means owning a house at some point or just renting forever. Or I can just stop being a loser and find some rich chick to hook up withLaughing

It's funny you mention not knowing anyone who was able to buy a house without help, I've noticed the exact same thing. My grandparents borrowed money from their parents, my mom and her sister borrowed money from my grandparents, but there's no way in hell I'm borrowing anything like that from my parents and having that hang over my head. They helped me out big time with school so as far as I'm concerned they've done more than enough. I'm also not going to pay 2x what I bought the house for, so maybe some day I'll have enough saved up to pay cash and just be done with it, doubtful but that's what I can hope for at this point.

Oh ya, and the lottery is a poor person tax, total scam.
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motogrady wrote:
There's a lot of truth in what you say. But, setting the GI bill aside, I really don't see a whole lot of difference between now...
There's a lot of truth in what you say.

But, setting the GI bill aside, I really don't see a whole lot of difference between now and then.
I mean, back in 1975 I had a pretty good job.
Building ships. Pay. 4.25 an hour. Nobody I knew could afford a house. The only guys I knew that bought houses had gotten married and had their parents help them out.

I dunno guy. Banks will surely fuck u.
Just compare the purchase vs the monthly payment times the number of payments in the loan.

Last house I did with the bank as an example.
Between Baltimore and Annapolis. 118k was the purchase. 8%. 30 years, In 1995 that was an average rate.
Payments with 4K down were like $1,050. A month.
Stupid me, I'm thinking 118,000 times 1.08 the total
when done would be 127,440. Cool.
But that ain't how it works.
1,050 times 12 a year is 12,600.
Times 30 years is 378,000.
378,000 for a 118,000 house.
WTF?
It wasn't easy even then.

My advice, buy a cheap place 30 to 50 miles away from everything. Even if it's s single wide trailer. Get a small car and keep that good paying job in the city. Use the bank for as little as u can. Sure, they will make money on u, but not like a landlord will.
Hell, he's probably got to pay his bank plus what he wants for himself. Stay in the shack or trailer for 10 years and then hopefully sell it and get something closer to what u want. That's doable.

Unless u hit the lottery, which u shouldn't be playing, or inherent from a relative, that's the way it is. That's reality.
JM485 wrote:
Not a bad piece of advise there. I'll admit I'm scared of a long commute, I live 15 mile from my job right now and it...
Not a bad piece of advise there. I'll admit I'm scared of a long commute, I live 15 mile from my job right now and it takes me 45 minutes on average to get there in the mornings leaving my house at 6:00am, its insane. My plan right now is to just move back to the town I went to college in, rent a house, and commute in to work on a train since my work will pay me to get things done on my laptop during the train ride. I get the idea of living out in the sticks and driving in every day but in this area that's just not a realistic option, your quality of life is going to be horrendous. I've realized that I'm never going to get ahead doing the same old thing of working for someone else so they can get rich, so I'm hoping to start my own company at some point once I can find a niche to fill. No major rush, but between that and investments I'm hoping I can live comfortably at some point, regardless of whether that means owning a house at some point or just renting forever. Or I can just stop being a loser and find some rich chick to hook up withLaughing

It's funny you mention not knowing anyone who was able to buy a house without help, I've noticed the exact same thing. My grandparents borrowed money from their parents, my mom and her sister borrowed money from my grandparents, but there's no way in hell I'm borrowing anything like that from my parents and having that hang over my head. They helped me out big time with school so as far as I'm concerned they've done more than enough. I'm also not going to pay 2x what I bought the house for, so maybe some day I'll have enough saved up to pay cash and just be done with it, doubtful but that's what I can hope for at this point.

Oh ya, and the lottery is a poor person tax, total scam.
I feel your pain man I wasn’t saying it was easy for a first time home buyer right now. I was explaining that it has always been like this like motogrady said. My parents lived on top ramen when they bought their first home. And home prices go in cycles. They will eventually drop. How low who knows. Some people are saying lower than the 2008 crash some say just a market adjustment. We will just have to wait and see but I would try to be prepared for that time. Thats when you need to have all your money saved up ready to go. And you have to be open to getting out of the area that’s so expensive. And then like I said finding a home that needs work. Preferably the worst house in that nicest neighborhood that you can get into. You can come down here and easily get a nicer home in the 3s. In the heart of the “Moto Mecca” too. Or Matt said the same near him. Or like red said another state. A lot of Californians are moving away to purchase their first home. But I don’t thing you have to. And yeah dude interest on a loan sucks but paying rent you’re doing the same thing with nothing in return. And if you can pay more than your mortgage whatever more you pay goes directly toward your principal so You can easily avoid paying all the interest the hope to get in the 30 year loan. And if you’re still single at that time you can get roommates and they’ll cover your mortgage most likely. Maybe more. Maybe enough to where you can save up to buy a second one and do the same thing. Boom you’re a landlord. Don’t give up man. You talk about wanting to do investments. What kind would you do? Real property is the best investment and is safe if you do your homework. There are places to buy out there. You just gotta be willing to look and sacrifice. And homeowners insurance will cover your ass on a lot of major problems that come with owning. And for your buddy at work there has to be more to the story because that’s illegal to do especially if you’re already in escrow. And the bank wouldn’t pull the rug from under him. They want his money and interest. It’d have to be the home owner that screwed him for the cash. But anyways I’d research it more and do some self educating brotha. You can make it happen eventually. Don’t write it off just yet.
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Motox627! wrote:
Doesn't matter when you were born, some people are just assholes. Some are old assholes, and some are young assholes. Difference is those young ass holes...
Doesn't matter when you were born, some people are just assholes. Some are old assholes, and some are young assholes.

Difference is those young ass holes are wearing skinny jeans and the old assholes, well they ride Harleys Silly Silly Silly Silly
I've heard this before somewhere.........mmmm, was it Team America: World Police?
5/9/2019 3:40am
Harley’s just are not my thing. I’m 33 and I buy new dirt bike every other year and a new street bike every few years. Never have even walked into a Harley Davidson store. Better yet never even thought about it
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5/9/2019 4:40am
NateDawg wrote:
Yea... because the programs and resources they offer suck compared to a prestigious university. I went to 2 different community colleges and they were fine for...
Yea... because the programs and resources they offer suck compared to a prestigious university. I went to 2 different community colleges and they were fine for getting my associate's degree, but their bachelor's programs weren't even close to the level of education I received at a large university.

Also, I worked part-time my entire way through college and also received federal aid because of my good grades. I still ended up with $35K in debt. I wasn't taking expensive trips with college friends and going out every night either, I was busting my ass to earn my degree.
kb228 wrote:
Then go into debt for the prestige but dont complain. Truth is the average company doesnt care where the degree comes from as long as you...
Then go into debt for the prestige but dont complain. Truth is the average company doesnt care where the degree comes from as long as you have one
NateDawg wrote:
Well Fortune 500 companies do care where your degree is from and that's the kind of company I wanted to work for coming out of college...
Well Fortune 500 companies do care where your degree is from and that's the kind of company I wanted to work for coming out of college. There's a reason programs like the one you've described are priced the way they are.
Thats cool you want to do that. When youre making 100k+ at a fortune 500 company then student loans arent an issue for you then, so dont complain about 30k in student loan debt. You can pay it off in less than a year making 100k...
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diz330
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5/9/2019 5:13am
diz330 wrote:
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck. Thanks...
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck.
Thanks baby boomers for being greedy and fucking up the market flipping homes and buying multiple rental houses so young couples can throw away $2500 in rent every month while you pay one of your mortgages.
motogrady wrote:
Laughing

There it is.

It's my fault you can't make enough to live the lifestyle you want.

effin gold
Let's do some quick math. My parents bought their home for $150k in 1990. My dad was making maybe $15-$16 an hour at the time at a gas company. Pretty good money.

I get out of college and that same house is now 600k plus. I had many job offers less than $20 an hour. Settled on one for $21 an hour. So a home quadruples in price. I don't see myself making $60-70 an hour anytime soon that's for sure. So yes I do blame your generation for exactly what I said. Greed.
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kb228
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5/9/2019 5:23am
diz330 wrote:
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck. Thanks...
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck.
Thanks baby boomers for being greedy and fucking up the market flipping homes and buying multiple rental houses so young couples can throw away $2500 in rent every month while you pay one of your mortgages.
motogrady wrote:
Laughing

There it is.

It's my fault you can't make enough to live the lifestyle you want.

effin gold
diz330 wrote:
Let's do some quick math. My parents bought their home for $150k in 1990. My dad was making maybe $15-$16 an hour at the time at...
Let's do some quick math. My parents bought their home for $150k in 1990. My dad was making maybe $15-$16 an hour at the time at a gas company. Pretty good money.

I get out of college and that same house is now 600k plus. I had many job offers less than $20 an hour. Settled on one for $21 an hour. So a home quadruples in price. I don't see myself making $60-70 an hour anytime soon that's for sure. So yes I do blame your generation for exactly what I said. Greed.
Is it greed driving up prices for property or high demand for real estate?

Im just guessing here but if population increases faster than inflation then pay goes up with inflation but property prices goes up with population & demand for said property
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cody41
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5/9/2019 5:32am
24: Harley’s are gay
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5/9/2019 5:36am
I didnt used to be into Harleys, I rode sport bikes exclusively on the street for awhile. I still remember like it was yesterday the first Harley I fell in love with. I cleaned the carb on a 1994 Dyna. I was amazed how beautifully it ran and how enjoyable putting down the road at 1500 RPM was. I liked it so much I offered to buy it, but it was not for sale. I became a "Harley guy" that day.

Now, Im a 99%er, and my entire closet is leather chaps and shirts with skulls all over them. JK about that part atleast.
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5/9/2019 5:58am
Did this forum finally accept JS7 is done?

Never thought Harleys would get more pages than Stew..
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motogrady
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5/9/2019 6:26am
diz330 wrote:
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck. Thanks...
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck.
Thanks baby boomers for being greedy and fucking up the market flipping homes and buying multiple rental houses so young couples can throw away $2500 in rent every month while you pay one of your mortgages.
motogrady wrote:
Laughing

There it is.

It's my fault you can't make enough to live the lifestyle you want.

effin gold
diz330 wrote:
Let's do some quick math. My parents bought their home for $150k in 1990. My dad was making maybe $15-$16 an hour at the time at...
Let's do some quick math. My parents bought their home for $150k in 1990. My dad was making maybe $15-$16 an hour at the time at a gas company. Pretty good money.

I get out of college and that same house is now 600k plus. I had many job offers less than $20 an hour. Settled on one for $21 an hour. So a home quadruples in price. I don't see myself making $60-70 an hour anytime soon that's for sure. So yes I do blame your generation for exactly what I said. Greed.
Blah blah blah.
Tell your old man to sell the place and give u half the profits then. See what he says.

Hey, I turned 60 and u know what the cheapest health insurance quote I got? Guess.

650. A month. Something without a lot of deductibles, 1,100.00 a month.
When I do go to get stitched up or whatever it isn't a boomer doing it.

Tell me about greed.
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Flesh206
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5/9/2019 6:30am
You can get a better bike for the money, without buying into the Harley lifestyle.
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SCR
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5/9/2019 6:40am
diz330 wrote:
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck. Thanks...
No extra income for a harley here. Trying to save up for an average home price in Toronto of a million dollars. Wish me luck.
Thanks baby boomers for being greedy and fucking up the market flipping homes and buying multiple rental houses so young couples can throw away $2500 in rent every month while you pay one of your mortgages.
motogrady wrote:
Laughing

There it is.

It's my fault you can't make enough to live the lifestyle you want.

effin gold
diz330 wrote:
Let's do some quick math. My parents bought their home for $150k in 1990. My dad was making maybe $15-$16 an hour at the time at...
Let's do some quick math. My parents bought their home for $150k in 1990. My dad was making maybe $15-$16 an hour at the time at a gas company. Pretty good money.

I get out of college and that same house is now 600k plus. I had many job offers less than $20 an hour. Settled on one for $21 an hour. So a home quadruples in price. I don't see myself making $60-70 an hour anytime soon that's for sure. So yes I do blame your generation for exactly what I said. Greed.
You and half the other posters I've read should be angry with the college education you paid for that never explained how markets and the economy works.
The idea that greedy boomers are hoarding homes with their riches and jacking up prices on the next generation is pretty crazy. If it was not for the younger generations desire to compete to buy homes then there is no market to raise prices so in fact we could maybe blame the younger generation.

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ZM956
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Augusta, GA, USA
5/9/2019 6:49am
I didnt used to be into Harleys, I rode sport bikes exclusively on the street for awhile. I still remember like it was yesterday the first...
I didnt used to be into Harleys, I rode sport bikes exclusively on the street for awhile. I still remember like it was yesterday the first Harley I fell in love with. I cleaned the carb on a 1994 Dyna. I was amazed how beautifully it ran and how enjoyable putting down the road at 1500 RPM was. I liked it so much I offered to buy it, but it was not for sale. I became a "Harley guy" that day.

Now, Im a 99%er, and my entire closet is leather chaps and shirts with skulls all over them. JK about that part atleast.
Dyna's for life! Them ole FXR's are sweet machines.
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bh84
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5/9/2019 6:53am
Marty1028 wrote:
I’m in the Gen Z/Millennial crowd. I can tell you what’s killing motorcycle sales is how scared and sheltered my generation is. I’m 17 and a...
I’m in the Gen Z/Millennial crowd. I can tell you what’s killing motorcycle sales is how scared and sheltered my generation is. I’m 17 and a sophomore in high school. I ride a 1200 custom to school whenever the weather lets me. All the kids ask me “How are you not scared to ride that thing? Arnt you scared you’ll crash and kill yourself?” 98% percent of my school thinks this. You would think this percentage would be different cause I come from a small country/ffa school where everyone has some kind of background in outdoor recreation.
Wild how quickly times change. Me and my buddy were the only ones at school with bikes and half the dates we got were girls wanting to go for a ride. That was 10 years ago.
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