Broc Tickle's suspension sentence has arrived

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gt80rider wrote:
This is 100 percent B S.... Just look at other sports! Jon Jones anyone???????
Look at the Jarrell Miller situation in boxing. One of the worst examples of cheating ever and there’s a chance he may get away with it due to a loop hole. He will probably be fighting again before the year is out.

Absolutely disgusting.
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If the FIM had notified him of his penalty on the day of his test he’d still be banned until the same date.
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Dont take PED´s if you dont like to get banned from racing. 2 years seems pretty standard cases like these as been mentioned here multiple times. Wada, FIM or European people didnt take PED´s it was Tickle.
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Question: after such a break, is he now eligible to race 250 East ?

It could help him to find a decent ride and get back to speed earlier than with a 450 fill in ride.

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EngIceDave wrote:
He's known it was 4 years That's the MANDATORY sentence He was appealing the length They cut it in half They deal with and monitor 10s...
He's known it was 4 years
That's the MANDATORY sentence

He was appealing the length

They cut it in half

They deal with and monitor 10s to 100s of thousands of athletes worldwide, you're on their clock, they're not on yours.
Shit welfare offices process thousands and thousands of people and you get answers quicker than broc tickle.

Dude should race canada. Field is too stacked for him to get a factory ride
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something we can do on the amateur level is not support any event that is sanctioned by the AMA, maybe we can open their eyes yo...
something we can do on the amateur level is not support any event that is sanctioned by the AMA, maybe we can open their eyes yo the fact we don't want the FIM in our sport. NO MORE SUPPORTING THE AMA. I know that most amateur nationals are but we have to do something to stop this. Come on DC pull your head out.
We are so tired of this b.s. this sport can grow but not with the AMA. the proof is just what it is. the most exciting sport and it still is the same place year after year. time for new leadership.
For about the 1000th time DC has nothing to do with this...this is a Feld deal with the FIM that has brought WADA into the sport...
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Some of you people are so fucking stupid l don't know how you even survive. Literally. How do you y'all have jobs and shit with this...
Some of you people are so fucking stupid l don't know how you even survive. Literally.

How do you y'all have jobs and shit with this level logical acumen?

For the last time. Cheaters deserve nothing. Got it? Fuck Broc Tickle and who fucking cares how long it took because the ban is fucking backdated anyway. What exactly are you halfwits pissing and moaning about?

Every time l come on this site now l'm stunned at the level of blatant idiocy that passes for logical thought. Some of you shouldn't be allowed near dirt bikes, power tools, large equipment, women, children or basically anything.
You seem more... emotional, than logical.


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5/9/2019 6:02am
Robgvx wrote:
If the FIM had notified him of his penalty on the day of his test he’d still be banned until the same date.
This is what dimetime is referring to. People here don't have a clue how any of it works.
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The FIM is 1 Fucked Up Deal. Any associated with them should’ve taken note quite some time ago. They’re an embarrassment to themselves & to the...
The FIM is 1 Fucked Up Deal.
Any associated with them should’ve taken note quite some time ago.
They’re an embarrassment to themselves & to the Sports they’re involved in.
It’s beyond crazy to me contracts or not that Feld still gives them a place to hang their ugly hats!!!
Thank God, MX Sports has nothing to do with them!
Drug Testing is a necessary Evil of Professional Sport.
The FIM organization is just plain Evil.
You like milamcreek are blaming all the wrong people.
How can people be so far out of touch in this day and age?

The alphabet soup list of organizations are not to blame for anything.

All blame lies on the athlete. Why cant people in this sport get that, when every other sport can?





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milamcreek wrote:
something we can do on the amateur level is not support any event that is sanctioned by the AMA, maybe we can open their eyes yo...
something we can do on the amateur level is not support any event that is sanctioned by the AMA, maybe we can open their eyes yo the fact we don't want the FIM in our sport. NO MORE SUPPORTING THE AMA. I know that most amateur nationals are but we have to do something to stop this. Come on DC pull your head out.
We are so tired of this b.s. this sport can grow but not with the AMA. the proof is just what it is. the most exciting sport and it still is the same place year after year. time for new leadership.
DonM wrote:
For about the 1000th time DC has nothing to do with this...this is a Feld deal with the FIM that has brought WADA into the sport...
Don't kid yourself, DC has a substantial influence in these matters.
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5/9/2019 6:35am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2019 6:37am
Ozzy wrote:
The FIM is 1 Fucked Up Deal. Any associated with them should’ve taken note quite some time ago. They’re an embarrassment to themselves & to the...
The FIM is 1 Fucked Up Deal.
Any associated with them should’ve taken note quite some time ago.
They’re an embarrassment to themselves & to the Sports they’re involved in.
It’s beyond crazy to me contracts or not that Feld still gives them a place to hang their ugly hats!!!
Thank God, MX Sports has nothing to do with them!
Drug Testing is a necessary Evil of Professional Sport.
The FIM organization is just plain Evil.
You like milamcreek are blaming all the wrong people. How can people be so far out of touch in this day and age? The alphabet soup...
You like milamcreek are blaming all the wrong people.
How can people be so far out of touch in this day and age?

The alphabet soup list of organizations are not to blame for anything.

All blame lies on the athlete. Why cant people in this sport get that, when every other sport can?





excuse me if you read my post you will see that I blame Broc and James, however the punishment is career ending that is the problem. they the FIM and Wada hand out different sentences in different sports for the same test results. no transparency zero ways of fighting them and when an organization is ending careers it's time for a new sanctioning body.
I don't know how any of you that are fans and racers can accept this.
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5/9/2019 6:38am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2019 6:40am
I get that an athlete that tests positive for a substance brought about his own fate. Cheaters should be punished. However, there’s a list of banned substances, and certainly some substances are going to be more effective than others. Why doesn’t Feld require of WADA a banning schedule? Every rider, and every team could have a copy of the ban schedule. Like this group of drugs is x length of time, this group is y length of time, etc. This way there are no surprises, and the rider knows, he tested positive for this drug, this is the suspension.

As to the 4 years being the standard length of suspension, that Tickle got cut in half. Those suspensions are based on international competition. Think Olympics. I am all for drug testing in sports, but maybe WADA isn’t the right fit for this job.
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5/9/2019 6:39am
He cheated, nobody to be mad at except Broc.
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This man pretty much got a life sentence for going 5 over the speed limit. What a fucking joke.
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This claim of a lack of due process is just false

He knew at the time they told him he failed, the suspension was 4 years
Done. He was informed. He was notified.

This is not a court of law, nor is it bound by any rules of a court of law. All of these rules, procedures and timelines are laid out in the WADA/USADA guides and online. They have or offer zero responsibility to provide a "speedy trial" or any type of trial at all....you pee hot in both your A and B samples, you're guilty....that's how drug testing works.

WADA/USADA does not care who you are or how famous you are......if you're a TdF cyclist, Olympic underwater basket weaver or a pro motorcycle racer. You're a number in the system, get to you when they get to you. You failed, you got your mandatory suspension, 4-years, anything beyond that, like an appeal, is asking them for a favor, and that's on their time schedule, not the athlete's time schedule.

They want to make the athlete suffer. They want each athlete to show the other athletes, "this is what will happen if caught".....James Stewart didn't get any special dispensation, he too waited months and months before getting a final reduced sentence.

I am not passing judgement on whether or not Tickle knowingly took an illegal PED, only discussing how the system works,

FYI - Outdoors also has drug testing, administered by USADA, the US division of WADA
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5/9/2019 6:57am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2019 6:59am
This man pretty much got a life sentence for going 5 over the speed limit. What a fucking joke.
He was busted with Methylhexanamine in both his A and B samples

Methylhexanamine - A 2013 review concluded that: "Pharmacological effects after oral intake can be expected on the lungs (bronchodilation) and the nasal mucosa following a single oral dose of about 4–15 mg. Pharmacological effects on the heart can be expected following a single oral dose of about 50–75 mg. Pharmacological effects on the blood pressure can be expected after a single oral dose of about 100 mg. Because of the long half-life, there is a risk that repeated doses within 24–36 hours could lead to steadily stronger pharmacological effects (build-up)

A bronchodilator is a substance that dilates the bronchi and bronchioles, decreasing resistance in the respiratory airway and increasing airflow to the lungs.


In 2010, a 21-year-old male in New Zealand presented with a cerebral hemorrhage after ingesting 556 mg of methylhexanamine, caffeine, and alcohol. Health authorities in Hawaii linked cases of liver failure and one death to OxyElite Pro.

The death of Claire Squires, a runner who collapsed near the finish-line of the April 2012 London Marathon, has been linked to methylhexanamine. The coroner stated that methylhexanamine was "probably an important factor" during the inquest. Despite, according to a friend, having been diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat - and advised not to consume methylhexanamine, it is believed that she consumed the substance through drinking an energy drink, which was subsequently adjusted to exclude methylhexanamine.


That's why it's illegal in competition and ILLEGAL FOR SALE IN THE USA
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^^^See, Dave says DC is in on it... Let's get him!!!



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5/9/2019 7:22am
Ozzy wrote:
The FIM is 1 Fucked Up Deal. Any associated with them should’ve taken note quite some time ago. They’re an embarrassment to themselves & to the...
The FIM is 1 Fucked Up Deal.
Any associated with them should’ve taken note quite some time ago.
They’re an embarrassment to themselves & to the Sports they’re involved in.
It’s beyond crazy to me contracts or not that Feld still gives them a place to hang their ugly hats!!!
Thank God, MX Sports has nothing to do with them!
Drug Testing is a necessary Evil of Professional Sport.
The FIM organization is just plain Evil.
You like milamcreek are blaming all the wrong people. How can people be so far out of touch in this day and age? The alphabet soup...
You like milamcreek are blaming all the wrong people.
How can people be so far out of touch in this day and age?

The alphabet soup list of organizations are not to blame for anything.

All blame lies on the athlete. Why cant people in this sport get that, when every other sport can?





milamcreek wrote:
excuse me if you read my post you will see that I blame Broc and James, however the punishment is career ending that is the problem...
excuse me if you read my post you will see that I blame Broc and James, however the punishment is career ending that is the problem. they the FIM and Wada hand out different sentences in different sports for the same test results. no transparency zero ways of fighting them and when an organization is ending careers it's time for a new sanctioning body.
I don't know how any of you that are fans and racers can accept this.
It's not career ending. Reed is 37.

This didn't end JS7 either. It just made it easier for him to quit something he hated doing anyway.





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#20 is free on Feb 20, 2020. Are you fn kidding me? That date has to be a joke, even if it really is the end...
#20 is free on Feb 20, 2020. Are you fn kidding me? That date has to be a joke, even if it really is the end date.
Let’s find one more twenty so we can make it a even hundred. How about a $20 fine
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This man pretty much got a life sentence for going 5 over the speed limit. What a fucking joke.
EngIceDave wrote:
He was busted with Methylhexanamine in both his A and B samples Methylhexanamine - A 2013 review concluded that: "Pharmacological effects after oral intake can be...
He was busted with Methylhexanamine in both his A and B samples

Methylhexanamine - A 2013 review concluded that: "Pharmacological effects after oral intake can be expected on the lungs (bronchodilation) and the nasal mucosa following a single oral dose of about 4–15 mg. Pharmacological effects on the heart can be expected following a single oral dose of about 50–75 mg. Pharmacological effects on the blood pressure can be expected after a single oral dose of about 100 mg. Because of the long half-life, there is a risk that repeated doses within 24–36 hours could lead to steadily stronger pharmacological effects (build-up)

A bronchodilator is a substance that dilates the bronchi and bronchioles, decreasing resistance in the respiratory airway and increasing airflow to the lungs.


In 2010, a 21-year-old male in New Zealand presented with a cerebral hemorrhage after ingesting 556 mg of methylhexanamine, caffeine, and alcohol. Health authorities in Hawaii linked cases of liver failure and one death to OxyElite Pro.

The death of Claire Squires, a runner who collapsed near the finish-line of the April 2012 London Marathon, has been linked to methylhexanamine. The coroner stated that methylhexanamine was "probably an important factor" during the inquest. Despite, according to a friend, having been diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat - and advised not to consume methylhexanamine, it is believed that she consumed the substance through drinking an energy drink, which was subsequently adjusted to exclude methylhexanamine.


That's why it's illegal in competition and ILLEGAL FOR SALE IN THE USA
People on here don’t want to admit that drug testing is for the safety of the athlete and the integrity of sport.
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You like milamcreek are blaming all the wrong people. How can people be so far out of touch in this day and age? The alphabet soup...
You like milamcreek are blaming all the wrong people.
How can people be so far out of touch in this day and age?

The alphabet soup list of organizations are not to blame for anything.

All blame lies on the athlete. Why cant people in this sport get that, when every other sport can?





milamcreek wrote:
excuse me if you read my post you will see that I blame Broc and James, however the punishment is career ending that is the problem...
excuse me if you read my post you will see that I blame Broc and James, however the punishment is career ending that is the problem. they the FIM and Wada hand out different sentences in different sports for the same test results. no transparency zero ways of fighting them and when an organization is ending careers it's time for a new sanctioning body.
I don't know how any of you that are fans and racers can accept this.
It's not career ending. Reed is 37.

This didn't end JS7 either. It just made it easier for him to quit something he hated doing anyway.





look you believe what ever you like.
to being Reed into this is not anywhere remotely in the conversation. Reed has a draw multi time sx champ and outdoor champ, has not been competitive for years not knocking him, he's a great rider and good for the sport be he is the exception to the rule.
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5/9/2019 8:09am
EngIceDave wrote:
This claim of a lack of due process is just false He knew at the time they told him he failed, the suspension was 4 years...
This claim of a lack of due process is just false

He knew at the time they told him he failed, the suspension was 4 years
Done. He was informed. He was notified.

This is not a court of law, nor is it bound by any rules of a court of law. All of these rules, procedures and timelines are laid out in the WADA/USADA guides and online. They have or offer zero responsibility to provide a "speedy trial" or any type of trial at all....you pee hot in both your A and B samples, you're guilty....that's how drug testing works.

WADA/USADA does not care who you are or how famous you are......if you're a TdF cyclist, Olympic underwater basket weaver or a pro motorcycle racer. You're a number in the system, get to you when they get to you. You failed, you got your mandatory suspension, 4-years, anything beyond that, like an appeal, is asking them for a favor, and that's on their time schedule, not the athlete's time schedule.

They want to make the athlete suffer. They want each athlete to show the other athletes, "this is what will happen if caught".....James Stewart didn't get any special dispensation, he too waited months and months before getting a final reduced sentence.

I am not passing judgement on whether or not Tickle knowingly took an illegal PED, only discussing how the system works,

FYI - Outdoors also has drug testing, administered by USADA, the US division of WADA
Do you wana fist fight bro? Yeah dude we know this isn't a court of law no one said it was but it's a general human right no not lock someone up forever without any kind of due process. We are discussing morality not the law. WADA is legal, that doesn't make what their doing right.

HE'S NOT GUILTY WHEN HE FAILS THE TEST YOU FUCKING GOOF THERE STLL HAS TO BE A TRIAL/HEARING JUST LIKE IN A LEGAL CASE. HE HAS TO BE PROVEN GUILTY HE'S INNOCENT OTHERWISE. EVIDENCE IS NOT CONVICTION.

But that's the problem with WADA/USADA. They have seemingly unlimited unchecked power. Thats what why everyone is upset. You seem to not get that. Thats why we all have Brock's back. People like you man for fucks sake.

Did you wana fight tho?
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This man pretty much got a life sentence for going 5 over the speed limit. What a fucking joke.
EngIceDave wrote:
He was busted with Methylhexanamine in both his A and B samples Methylhexanamine - A 2013 review concluded that: "Pharmacological effects after oral intake can be...
He was busted with Methylhexanamine in both his A and B samples

Methylhexanamine - A 2013 review concluded that: "Pharmacological effects after oral intake can be expected on the lungs (bronchodilation) and the nasal mucosa following a single oral dose of about 4–15 mg. Pharmacological effects on the heart can be expected following a single oral dose of about 50–75 mg. Pharmacological effects on the blood pressure can be expected after a single oral dose of about 100 mg. Because of the long half-life, there is a risk that repeated doses within 24–36 hours could lead to steadily stronger pharmacological effects (build-up)

A bronchodilator is a substance that dilates the bronchi and bronchioles, decreasing resistance in the respiratory airway and increasing airflow to the lungs.


In 2010, a 21-year-old male in New Zealand presented with a cerebral hemorrhage after ingesting 556 mg of methylhexanamine, caffeine, and alcohol. Health authorities in Hawaii linked cases of liver failure and one death to OxyElite Pro.

The death of Claire Squires, a runner who collapsed near the finish-line of the April 2012 London Marathon, has been linked to methylhexanamine. The coroner stated that methylhexanamine was "probably an important factor" during the inquest. Despite, according to a friend, having been diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat - and advised not to consume methylhexanamine, it is believed that she consumed the substance through drinking an energy drink, which was subsequently adjusted to exclude methylhexanamine.


That's why it's illegal in competition and ILLEGAL FOR SALE IN THE USA
Good input from EngineIce Dave...

I looked into it last year when this first came out and dug a little into the drug itself, Methylhexanamine.

Turns out it was discovered/made back in the 1940's originally targeted as a nasal decongestant and removed from the market in the 1970's.

In 2006 Methylhexanamine was brought to the consumer market by a company called Proviant Technologies and sold for use in dietary supplements. The owner of that company is/was a man named Patrick Arnold, an American organic chemist, former amateur body builder and who seems to have dedicated a good portion of his professional career manufacturing and bringing to market hard-to-detect performance enhancement drugs (PEDs). For example, he invented prohormones which, at the time, we undetectable but it is a drug our bodies convert into testosterone all on their own. Pretty clever huh? He makes for a good read on the google machine.

So from 2006 Methylhexanamine made its way into supplements. However, since 2011 it has been banned by several countries and even the FDA and made the marketing of the product illegal. From the wiki page:

"In April 2013, the US Food and Drug Administration determined that methylhexanamine was potentially dangerous and did not qualify as a legal dietary supplement; it warned supplement makers that it was illegal to market methylhexanamine and warned consumers of potentially serious health risks associated with methylhexanamine-containing products. The FDA has issued warning letters to manufacturers and distributors who continued to market products containing methylhexanamine." Link

Methylhexanamine is a performance enhancing drug which is why it is banned from USADA/WADA. Broc is on record saying he doesn't know how he could have ingested the drug, but it seems the most likely source is from a dietary supplement (e.g. powders for weight lifting, etc.).

It also seems Methylhexanamine is not always listed on the ingredients of some products, even if it is in there. For professional athletes making their living racing, boxing, etc., it seems too big of a risk. I bet after the experience of the last year Broc would have gladly skipped all the powder shakes and whatever else in exchange to be back on his KTM.

One detail in this whole story which I have not seen/read, is whether or not Broc was managing his own nutrition/supplement intake at the time of the adverse finding? Does anyone know?

I kinda get that a racer might not be checking every ingredient on the backs of those powder jugs. OTOH, maybe now people will realize they have to do that going forward. But if someone else was overseeing his nutrition, well... they definitely should have known or had it checked in a lab.
5/9/2019 8:24am
EngIceDave wrote:
This claim of a lack of due process is just false He knew at the time they told him he failed, the suspension was 4 years...
This claim of a lack of due process is just false

He knew at the time they told him he failed, the suspension was 4 years
Done. He was informed. He was notified.

This is not a court of law, nor is it bound by any rules of a court of law. All of these rules, procedures and timelines are laid out in the WADA/USADA guides and online. They have or offer zero responsibility to provide a "speedy trial" or any type of trial at all....you pee hot in both your A and B samples, you're guilty....that's how drug testing works.

WADA/USADA does not care who you are or how famous you are......if you're a TdF cyclist, Olympic underwater basket weaver or a pro motorcycle racer. You're a number in the system, get to you when they get to you. You failed, you got your mandatory suspension, 4-years, anything beyond that, like an appeal, is asking them for a favor, and that's on their time schedule, not the athlete's time schedule.

They want to make the athlete suffer. They want each athlete to show the other athletes, "this is what will happen if caught".....James Stewart didn't get any special dispensation, he too waited months and months before getting a final reduced sentence.

I am not passing judgement on whether or not Tickle knowingly took an illegal PED, only discussing how the system works,

FYI - Outdoors also has drug testing, administered by USADA, the US division of WADA
Do you wana fist fight bro? Yeah dude we know this isn't a court of law no one said it was but it's a general human...
Do you wana fist fight bro? Yeah dude we know this isn't a court of law no one said it was but it's a general human right no not lock someone up forever without any kind of due process. We are discussing morality not the law. WADA is legal, that doesn't make what their doing right.

HE'S NOT GUILTY WHEN HE FAILS THE TEST YOU FUCKING GOOF THERE STLL HAS TO BE A TRIAL/HEARING JUST LIKE IN A LEGAL CASE. HE HAS TO BE PROVEN GUILTY HE'S INNOCENT OTHERWISE. EVIDENCE IS NOT CONVICTION.

But that's the problem with WADA/USADA. They have seemingly unlimited unchecked power. Thats what why everyone is upset. You seem to not get that. Thats why we all have Brock's back. People like you man for fucks sake.

Did you wana fight tho?
LMFAO.

What in the actual? Holy shit. Dimetime is going to get a kick out of this one.
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HE'S NOT GUILTY WHEN HE FAILS THE TEST YOU FUCKING GOOF THERE STLL HAS TO BE A TRIAL/HEARING JUST LIKE IN A LEGAL CASE. HE HAS TO BE PROVEN GUILTY HE'S INNOCENT OTHERWISE. EVIDENCE IS NOT CONVICTION.


Not according to the WADA agreement within his FIM License
There is no "trial"
You pee hot, they test both samples, if both samples fail, you failed. You've been found to have had an illegal PED in your system during competition.
It's done, 4 years....BAM

Now, you can appeal the ruling and appeal the length of the suspension, but it is on their timeframe as they monitor and deal with tons of athletes worldwide.
If you do so, it is at their convenience, not yours
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Question: after such a break, is he now eligible to race 250 East ? It could help him to find a decent ride and get back...
Question: after such a break, is he now eligible to race 250 East ?

It could help him to find a decent ride and get back to speed earlier than with a 450 fill in ride.
No he can't, due to having won a regional Supercross title.
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Do you wana fist fight bro? Yeah dude we know this isn't a court of law no one said it was but it's a general human...
Do you wana fist fight bro? Yeah dude we know this isn't a court of law no one said it was but it's a general human right no not lock someone up forever without any kind of due process. We are discussing morality not the law. WADA is legal, that doesn't make what their doing right.

HE'S NOT GUILTY WHEN HE FAILS THE TEST YOU FUCKING GOOF THERE STLL HAS TO BE A TRIAL/HEARING JUST LIKE IN A LEGAL CASE. HE HAS TO BE PROVEN GUILTY HE'S INNOCENT OTHERWISE. EVIDENCE IS NOT CONVICTION.

But that's the problem with WADA/USADA. They have seemingly unlimited unchecked power. Thats what why everyone is upset. You seem to not get that. Thats why we all have Brock's back. People like you man for fucks sake.

Did you wana fight tho?
Speaking of drug testing... (allegedly).

Enjoy the vacation.
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This man pretty much got a life sentence for going 5 over the speed limit. What a fucking joke.
EngIceDave wrote:
He was busted with Methylhexanamine in both his A and B samples Methylhexanamine - A 2013 review concluded that: "Pharmacological effects after oral intake can be...
He was busted with Methylhexanamine in both his A and B samples

Methylhexanamine - A 2013 review concluded that: "Pharmacological effects after oral intake can be expected on the lungs (bronchodilation) and the nasal mucosa following a single oral dose of about 4–15 mg. Pharmacological effects on the heart can be expected following a single oral dose of about 50–75 mg. Pharmacological effects on the blood pressure can be expected after a single oral dose of about 100 mg. Because of the long half-life, there is a risk that repeated doses within 24–36 hours could lead to steadily stronger pharmacological effects (build-up)

A bronchodilator is a substance that dilates the bronchi and bronchioles, decreasing resistance in the respiratory airway and increasing airflow to the lungs.


In 2010, a 21-year-old male in New Zealand presented with a cerebral hemorrhage after ingesting 556 mg of methylhexanamine, caffeine, and alcohol. Health authorities in Hawaii linked cases of liver failure and one death to OxyElite Pro.

The death of Claire Squires, a runner who collapsed near the finish-line of the April 2012 London Marathon, has been linked to methylhexanamine. The coroner stated that methylhexanamine was "probably an important factor" during the inquest. Despite, according to a friend, having been diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat - and advised not to consume methylhexanamine, it is believed that she consumed the substance through drinking an energy drink, which was subsequently adjusted to exclude methylhexanamine.


That's why it's illegal in competition and ILLEGAL FOR SALE IN THE USA
KennyT wrote:
People on here don’t want to admit that drug testing is for the safety of the athlete and the integrity of sport.
what sport right now we are a 3 ring circus with some dancing bears.
the powers that be can t even get a rule book together and enforce said rule book, we have another organization from another part of the world overseeing our race series handing put penalties and suspensions. that is my point have clear rule book follow rule book with clear penalties. give a rider a chance to present his/her objection within a acceptable time frame. We are not getting this representation at this time. time for new sanctioning body. or AMA step up.
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Good input from EngineIce Dave... I looked into it last year when this first came out and dug a little into the drug itself, Methylhexanamine. Turns...
Good input from EngineIce Dave...

I looked into it last year when this first came out and dug a little into the drug itself, Methylhexanamine.

Turns out it was discovered/made back in the 1940's originally targeted as a nasal decongestant and removed from the market in the 1970's.

In 2006 Methylhexanamine was brought to the consumer market by a company called Proviant Technologies and sold for use in dietary supplements. The owner of that company is/was a man named Patrick Arnold, an American organic chemist, former amateur body builder and who seems to have dedicated a good portion of his professional career manufacturing and bringing to market hard-to-detect performance enhancement drugs (PEDs). For example, he invented prohormones which, at the time, we undetectable but it is a drug our bodies convert into testosterone all on their own. Pretty clever huh? He makes for a good read on the google machine.

So from 2006 Methylhexanamine made its way into supplements. However, since 2011 it has been banned by several countries and even the FDA and made the marketing of the product illegal. From the wiki page:

"In April 2013, the US Food and Drug Administration determined that methylhexanamine was potentially dangerous and did not qualify as a legal dietary supplement; it warned supplement makers that it was illegal to market methylhexanamine and warned consumers of potentially serious health risks associated with methylhexanamine-containing products. The FDA has issued warning letters to manufacturers and distributors who continued to market products containing methylhexanamine." Link

Methylhexanamine is a performance enhancing drug which is why it is banned from USADA/WADA. Broc is on record saying he doesn't know how he could have ingested the drug, but it seems the most likely source is from a dietary supplement (e.g. powders for weight lifting, etc.).

It also seems Methylhexanamine is not always listed on the ingredients of some products, even if it is in there. For professional athletes making their living racing, boxing, etc., it seems too big of a risk. I bet after the experience of the last year Broc would have gladly skipped all the powder shakes and whatever else in exchange to be back on his KTM.

One detail in this whole story which I have not seen/read, is whether or not Broc was managing his own nutrition/supplement intake at the time of the adverse finding? Does anyone know?

I kinda get that a racer might not be checking every ingredient on the backs of those powder jugs. OTOH, maybe now people will realize they have to do that going forward. But if someone else was overseeing his nutrition, well... they definitely should have known or had it checked in a lab.
It's there on the labels. They just dont read close enough.

And it's still being sold under DMHA or the chemical names as the FDA hasnt banned that yet.




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5/9/2019 8:38am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2019 8:39am
Do you wana fist fight bro? Yeah dude we know this isn't a court of law no one said it was but it's a general human...
Do you wana fist fight bro? Yeah dude we know this isn't a court of law no one said it was but it's a general human right no not lock someone up forever without any kind of due process. We are discussing morality not the law. WADA is legal, that doesn't make what their doing right.

HE'S NOT GUILTY WHEN HE FAILS THE TEST YOU FUCKING GOOF THERE STLL HAS TO BE A TRIAL/HEARING JUST LIKE IN A LEGAL CASE. HE HAS TO BE PROVEN GUILTY HE'S INNOCENT OTHERWISE. EVIDENCE IS NOT CONVICTION.

But that's the problem with WADA/USADA. They have seemingly unlimited unchecked power. Thats what why everyone is upset. You seem to not get that. Thats why we all have Brock's back. People like you man for fucks sake.

Did you wana fight tho?
He spelled out the process reasonably and logically, and probably typed as slow as he can, but you still aren't grasping some basic concepts of drug testing. Read the WADA Code, read some prior cases for precedent, educate yourself.

If you are caught with a prohibited substance in your system, confirmed with the B sample, you are suspended immediately. In this case (performance enhancing substance found in an in-competition test), the standard suspension is 4 years. Tickle's team gets to use the time between the handing down of the provisional suspension and the hearing to research what happened and put a case together to try and get the 4 year suspension reduced to 2 years. They did it, THEY WON.

I do enjoy the irony of you bringing up morality in a cheating case.

Edit: Damn, clicked before I could finish typing
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