Reed out at JGR?

Dirty Points 5/8/2019 3:43pm
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I'd sure like to hear who you have lined up that can replace their production.
RichieW13 wrote:
Seely, Wilson, Cianciarulo (obviously unless he already has a contract), probably Davalos, Savatgy, Bogle, Musquin and maybe even Bowers.
No. I mean JGR's production. Field a team. Pay those guys. Get them to races. Get them mechanics. Get them facilities and support personnel. Court sponsors. That stuff.

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haydos25 5/8/2019 4:23pm
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You just said it yourself, JGR are going racing this summer. The same thing they've done for over a decade now. Where are RCH? Theres something to be said for that, whether you give them credit for it or not.

Suzuki decide who the factory teams are, they chose to put support behind JGR rather than RCH. As we all know the only way to win a title is to have the best rider, they chased who they thought were the best riders twice and got burnt, I'm glad they didn't follow your suggested business model otherwise there would be multiple riders, mechanics, and team members that would have been without a job a long time ago.
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This is just shit. I hate the idea of loosing rides and struggling teams. If there was only a way to put wp’s minds and heart...
This is just shit. I hate the idea of loosing rides and struggling teams. If there was only a way to put wp’s minds and heart in hill’s body. I know it’s dangerous but, with 1 eye I still believe Weston would finish better than hill all day long outdoors.
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In my mind, vision at the elite level is one of the most important assets required. With a vision handicap, as much as I like Weston...
In my mind, vision at the elite level is one of the most important assets required. With a vision handicap, as much as I like Weston, I'm afraid his competing at the elite level is over.
Absolutely. Fingers crossed his vision comes back. It’s just a bummer they are going with someone like hill who appears to have little heart until contract time.
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haydos25 wrote:
You just said it yourself, JGR are going racing this summer. The same thing they've done for over a decade now. Where are RCH? Theres something...
You just said it yourself, JGR are going racing this summer. The same thing they've done for over a decade now. Where are RCH? Theres something to be said for that, whether you give them credit for it or not.

Suzuki decide who the factory teams are, they chose to put support behind JGR rather than RCH. As we all know the only way to win a title is to have the best rider, they chased who they thought were the best riders twice and got burnt, I'm glad they didn't follow your suggested business model otherwise there would be multiple riders, mechanics, and team members that would have been without a job a long time ago.
I always thought, and maybe I’m wrong that rch was very top heavy. This was the majority of where there money was going besides roczen. Idk

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SEMAC 5/8/2019 6:08pm
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They better let Jbone go, I mean one bad manager, truck driver, etc, for Just 2 riders, althoug is really Just one, that's money bad spent
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Jeremy Albrecht let us in on exactly what is going on when he said he was told he can 'do this' forever as long as they break even and don't lose money.

Explains everything and also lays out the future for the team. Ok, nothing wrong with that. If they can stay around with non-championship riders that is a good thing.

People like AMart, Chad and the rest all got rides this year they may not have gotten if no JGR existed. Having the Gibbs connected with motocross is also a benefit in itself.
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haydos25 5/8/2019 6:57pm
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Judge my success from my comment on here if you like. Still doesnt change the fact that JGR's goal isn't necessarily to win a title, its to stay in business, attend all the races, not lose money and keep their sponsors including suzuki happy. Up until now they've been able to do that. Not every team has a goal to win a championship or the means to go out and buy a rider to win one. Think of MCR's, RMATV, Rock River etc. These guys aren't winning races and championships either, but that's not their goal.

I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. Suzuki aren't tossing in the money to buy Eli, JGR aren't going to go broke chasing him for little return, so they target the next best thing. Exposure for their sponsors and as good results for as little money as they can. You want suzuki to take the "factory" status off them because they aren't sending themselves broke trying to sign a big gun? Thats just good business, maybe tha's why they've been successful for over a decade and San Manuel/L&M/RCH/every other fly by night team have faded into oblivion.
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kpiper 5/8/2019 7:07pm
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It appears they are in business to support MX, riders, team personnel, and sponsors. How is that not a very good thing?
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By definition then, suzuki should be footing the bill for it since they're the factory right? If they want a winning team/rider then cough up the money like Kawasaki or Honda or KTM do. JGR aren't paying what the other factory's are so they dont get the caliber rider the other factory do.

Don't put that on JGR, they're a privately owned team who aren't in the business of going broke to win. If Honda or KTM lose money in their race effort every year, but they win a championship then its a success. If JGR go all in to win a championship and lose money then they're not around the next year, see RCH as an example. If thats success you can have it.

Only in your small mind is winning the ultimate goal for every single team on the line, in the real world where the rest of us live its only part of the picture.

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You dont think KTM pay? You haven't heard of the belt tightening in the KTM offroad world due to their move into the Motogp space? If all they had was Redbull money why would that matter.

You think Monster are paying for 4 factory teams (MEC/PC FactoryYam/Star) with no input from the manufacturers?

Come on mate you're really living in fantasy land if you think Suzuki are kicking in the same kind of support as the other mfgs.
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I think Suzuki kind of went broke from winning so much, and they didnt get any bike sales out of it. I think now Suzuki is just happy having the brand in the mix.

RC4 2 perfect seasons must have hurt Suzuki's pockets, then Dungey's championship, Reeds championship, JS7 event wins, Roczen championship. That's a lot of bonus money getting paid out, Just saying
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Rotaholic wrote:
I think Suzuki kind of went broke from winning so much, and they didnt get any bike sales out of it. I think now Suzuki is...
I think Suzuki kind of went broke from winning so much, and they didnt get any bike sales out of it. I think now Suzuki is just happy having the brand in the mix.

RC4 2 perfect seasons must have hurt Suzuki's pockets, then Dungey's championship, Reeds championship, JS7 event wins, Roczen championship. That's a lot of bonus money getting paid out, Just saying
RC4 had 2 perfect seasons on Honda's.

2002 on the CR250 and 2004 on the CRF450.

That said he did win all the overalls in 2005 on the RMZ450 winning 22 of the 24 motos.
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How some one like Amart can succeed, when your team manager says you Just have to show at the races to representa the brand, I am sure that Martín Truex, Kyle Busch are there to win rsces. Jbone must go
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It's Also true that wining titles didn't translate in bigger market share for Suzuki it seems only those Who already have one keep buying those Bikes, and they know, so maybe that's why they don't imvest more in their racing effort
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Once you buy a Suzuki you can almost hoock with the brand for ever, but you feell bad when you see that they are almost non existent at pro level
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MOTO732 wrote:
Yeah, I really don't get this undying fascination with Reed some people have on this site. He "deserves a factory ride" garbage. No...he does not deserve...
Yeah, I really don't get this undying fascination with Reed some people have on this site. He "deserves a factory ride" garbage. No...he does not deserve a factory ride. He's a satellite team rider at best. Many say he's a great fan and sponsor draw. Yet, sponsor draw/money seems to be the exact problem for several years now and even when he ran his own team. He was a great rider at one time, but he's definitely at the end of his run. It's time he hung up the boots and just accepted the fact that other riders deserve a ride more than he does.
Lol how many people podium'd this year...Reed was one of them
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If Carmichael, Pastrana and Stewart couldn't sell suzukis, no one can. (I'm on my 6th RMZ450)
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Dirty Points 5/8/2019 11:21pm
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Rotaholic wrote:
If Carmichael, Pastrana and Stewart couldn't sell suzukis, no one can. (I'm on my 6th RMZ450)
They sold shitloads of yellow. Probably 3/4 of the RMs you see post full floater is because of them.
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mxmaniac 5/9/2019 2:52am
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Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but it would be great to see Tickle back on a Suzuki at JGR for 2020. Sure as shit he will be hungry!!!
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MOTO732 wrote:
Yeah, I really don't get this undying fascination with Reed some people have on this site. He "deserves a factory ride" garbage. No...he does not deserve...
Yeah, I really don't get this undying fascination with Reed some people have on this site. He "deserves a factory ride" garbage. No...he does not deserve a factory ride. He's a satellite team rider at best. Many say he's a great fan and sponsor draw. Yet, sponsor draw/money seems to be the exact problem for several years now and even when he ran his own team. He was a great rider at one time, but he's definitely at the end of his run. It's time he hung up the boots and just accepted the fact that other riders deserve a ride more than he does.
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Lol how many people podium'd this year...Reed was one of them
Barcia, Bagget, Anderson, Coop, Eli,, Roczen, AP, Zac, Deano, Moose and Chad.

Some factory riders who didn't... Seely, Savatgy, Brayton, Mookie, Hill, Bogle,
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dirtworldmx wrote:
Reed should have retired a few years ago and put his family first, instead of chasing this ego-fed last hurrah.
well we now know who isnt a Reed fan. salty that hes having fun at 37?
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mxmaniac wrote:
Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but it would be great to see Tickle back on a Suzuki at JGR for 2020. Sure as...
Not sure if it has been mentioned yet but it would be great to see Tickle back on a Suzuki at JGR for 2020. Sure as shit he will be hungry!!!
i was thinking this very thing while watching the Swap/Tickle interview yesterday!!!
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Ktm was racing long before Red Bull. They have lots of backing. I think even the Austrian Gov subsidizes the company, or did.
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kiwifan 5/9/2019 2:27pm
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haydos25 wrote:
You dont think KTM pay? You haven't heard of the belt tightening in the KTM offroad world due to their move into the Motogp space? If...
You dont think KTM pay? You haven't heard of the belt tightening in the KTM offroad world due to their move into the Motogp space? If all they had was Redbull money why would that matter.

You think Monster are paying for 4 factory teams (MEC/PC FactoryYam/Star) with no input from the manufacturers?

Come on mate you're really living in fantasy land if you think Suzuki are kicking in the same kind of support as the other mfgs.
I thought it was common knowledge that Red Bull foots the KTM racing bills not KTM?

However, whether that is true or not Honda does not have a big sponsor like KTM, Husky, Yamaha, Kawasaki and Suzuki in the US...so kudos to them for keeping a factory team going, successful or not.
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MOTO732 wrote:
Yeah, I really don't get this undying fascination with Reed some people have on this site. He "deserves a factory ride" garbage. No...he does not deserve...
Yeah, I really don't get this undying fascination with Reed some people have on this site. He "deserves a factory ride" garbage. No...he does not deserve a factory ride. He's a satellite team rider at best. Many say he's a great fan and sponsor draw. Yet, sponsor draw/money seems to be the exact problem for several years now and even when he ran his own team. He was a great rider at one time, but he's definitely at the end of his run. It's time he hung up the boots and just accepted the fact that other riders deserve a ride more than he does.
Helda wrote:
Lol how many people podium'd this year...Reed was one of them
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Barcia, Bagget, Anderson, Coop, Eli,, Roczen, AP, Zac, Deano, Moose and Chad.

Some factory riders who didn't... Seely, Savatgy, Brayton, Mookie, Hill, Bogle,
What's crazy about that is the damn depth of talent there. That 17 riders! That leaves only 5 spots left on the gate for a main.
With those 17 riders we have
16 250/125 SX titles
9 250/125 MX/GP titles and a few runner ups
4 250/450 SX titles
5 250/450 MX/GP titles
All of them save for seeley, savagty and brayton have a 250 title all of them absolutely had the speed to and almost did..
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jonesaustin 5/9/2019 3:44pm
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Reed + Husqvarna 2020
uneasy_rider 5/10/2019 6:18am
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colintrax wrote:
I heard today that Kim Kardashian makes $1,000,000 for a sponsored Instagram post. With 137,000,000 followers that's about $0.0073 per follower. So comparatively Chad Reed is...
I heard today that Kim Kardashian makes $1,000,000 for a sponsored Instagram post. With 137,000,000 followers that's about $0.0073 per follower.
So comparatively Chad Reed is worth $7,100 per Instagram post. How is that companies can see the value in her but JGR cant get a main sponsor?
I guess Chad needs to do a adult video that gets "leaked" out...........
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uneasy_rider 5/10/2019 6:25am
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They are giving riders an opportunity, I see no fault in that. They cannot force a rider to win. They want to win, but right now, they are supporting riders and the sport we love. They are good for the sport, not the other way around!
uneasy_rider 5/10/2019 6:30am
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MOTO732 wrote:
Yeah, I really don't get this undying fascination with Reed some people have on this site. He "deserves a factory ride" garbage. No...he does not deserve...
Yeah, I really don't get this undying fascination with Reed some people have on this site. He "deserves a factory ride" garbage. No...he does not deserve a factory ride. He's a satellite team rider at best. Many say he's a great fan and sponsor draw. Yet, sponsor draw/money seems to be the exact problem for several years now and even when he ran his own team. He was a great rider at one time, but he's definitely at the end of his run. It's time he hung up the boots and just accepted the fact that other riders deserve a ride more than he does.
He was well into the top 10 when he got injured, sounds like a top guy to me, especially in the 450 field this year!
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