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resetjet 5/5/2019 6:39pm
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Just so long as he doesnt TOMAC, he will be just fine. Problem is, his last name is tomac.
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MOTO732 wrote:
If Eli comes in healthy for the 2020 sx season...based on what you know now, would you bet against him? I wouldn't. People go the nationals...
If Eli comes in healthy for the 2020 sx season...based on what you know now, would you bet against him? I wouldn't. People go the nationals to see one guy put on that late race charge...Eli Tomac. People watch SX to see what Eli will do. Eli is THE ONLY MX and a SX true superstar right now. Nobody else is even close. If he ever believes how good he is...god help the competition.
I would definatley bet against eli next year and hes the guy i root for. Hes ended up on the ground or rode around in 5th too many times. hes gotten wins once cooper was in conserve points mode. anderson is back next year and roczen should be better. Cooper is going to be tough to beat with his light weight.
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How many of you guys used to be regulars at www.ronronmx.com? All the top 10 guys this year are amazing talents. I don't get bad rapping any of them. I wish I sucked as bad as Eil, Marv, or Kenny on a motorcycle
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ruy wrote:
Congrats Eli, you lost again
41 thumb down feel bad for Eli. Lmao
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carmfarm 5/5/2019 8:38pm
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Is this SX or MX
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Wouldn't discount Webb outdoors. The title is definitely not a shoe-in for the #3.

Gosh I hope he finally makes it happen in 2020 though. The Vitards will forever bicker back and forth, but its not often that many of the sports greats (JS7, RC for starters) both publicly state that they cannot understand how Tomac doesn't dominate every weekend. He's that fast when he's on, which can't be said about any other currently active rider, save for (maybe) pre arm injury 2017 Ken Roczen.
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kb228 5/6/2019 2:18am
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deluxeman wrote:
Lots of excuses on here. Face it he is only in beast mode when it doesn’t count. When it counts he falls apart like a cheap...
Lots of excuses on here. Face it he is only in beast mode when it doesn’t count. When it counts he falls apart like a cheap suit. It’s not the bike.

All Tomac fans love the word “If”.
kb228 wrote:
Remember him in beast mode to catch up to dungey in points? Pretty sure that 8 week period counted.
DrinkMoreWater wrote:
Are you trying to live through another man's success, Tomac was defeated mentally at the start of that season and when he had nothing to lose...
Are you trying to live through another man's success, Tomac was defeated mentally at the start of that season and when he had nothing to lose he caught dungey and the one race he needed to show up at he bombed.

He's the fastest man there's no denying that at all, but you saying its all the bike is full of shit yet it's all mental for him always has been he's proven that more than once and proved it again this year.
Why are you attacking me? Eli himself said he wasnt comfortable on it. Multiple times actually.
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Ing 5/6/2019 2:27am
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Ing wrote:
Cracks me up how a lot of people are saying it's cause he had to adapt to a new bike. What about Webb, a whole different...
Cracks me up how a lot of people are saying it's cause he had to adapt to a new bike. What about Webb, a whole different manufacturer. You don't think it's a bit different than a Yamaha? Also, a ton of people saying Eli was the fastest all year. Nope. Webb won 7 races to Eli's 6. I 'd wager to say that Webb could have won a couple more if he didn't have to think of the championship. How are you not the fastest when you've won more races?
TbonesPop wrote:
How are you not the fastest when you've won more races? Eli led more laps than Webb did on the season - but that doesn't make...
How are you not the fastest when you've won more races? Eli led more laps than Webb did on the season - but that doesn't make him faster. Webb had 1 more win on the season - but that doesn't make him faster either. Having the most race points at the end of the season makes you faster. Eli led 100 laps, Webb only led 84 laps. Eli 6 wins, Webb 7 wins. Its not rocket science - Webb's bad nights weren't as bad as Eli's bad nights. That's what took the championship home to Webb. It wasn't about wins or most laps led - or who was fastest. One word: Consistency

Sure, you could argue that Webb could have won more races had he not been managing the championship. One could also argue that had he pushed the envelope a little hard in trying to win those races, he might have crashed out and either got hurt or had a really bad night losing more points.

Consistency wins championships. Dungey wrote the book on it. Webb won the championship because he was the most consistently fast rider on the season.
Well said and what I was trying to convey but didn't say it as well as you worded it.
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MOTO732 5/6/2019 5:00am
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MOTO732 wrote:
If Eli comes in healthy for the 2020 sx season...based on what you know now, would you bet against him? I wouldn't. People go the nationals...
If Eli comes in healthy for the 2020 sx season...based on what you know now, would you bet against him? I wouldn't. People go the nationals to see one guy put on that late race charge...Eli Tomac. People watch SX to see what Eli will do. Eli is THE ONLY MX and a SX true superstar right now. Nobody else is even close. If he ever believes how good he is...god help the competition.
cable wrote:
I would definatley bet against eli next year and hes the guy i root for. Hes ended up on the ground or rode around in 5th...
I would definatley bet against eli next year and hes the guy i root for. Hes ended up on the ground or rode around in 5th too many times. hes gotten wins once cooper was in conserve points mode. anderson is back next year and roczen should be better. Cooper is going to be tough to beat with his light weight.
Eli came into the sx season with an injured back and team mechanic turmoil. He didn't get 5th place finishes because he wanted to.
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deluxeman 5/6/2019 10:16am
5/6/2019 10:16am Edited Date/Time 5/6/2019 1:56pm
MOTO732 wrote:
If Eli comes in healthy for the 2020 sx season...based on what you know now, would you bet against him? I wouldn't. People go the nationals...
If Eli comes in healthy for the 2020 sx season...based on what you know now, would you bet against him? I wouldn't. People go the nationals to see one guy put on that late race charge...Eli Tomac. People watch SX to see what Eli will do. Eli is THE ONLY MX and a SX true superstar right now. Nobody else is even close. If he ever believes how good he is...god help the competition.
Absolutely I would bet against him, why wouldn't you? His track record pretty much speaks for itself. If he was a major league batter they would call him an O-fer, O-fer 3
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RichardLoots 5/6/2019 10:29am
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MOTO732 wrote:
If Eli comes in healthy for the 2020 sx season...based on what you know now, would you bet against him? I wouldn't. People go the nationals...
If Eli comes in healthy for the 2020 sx season...based on what you know now, would you bet against him? I wouldn't. People go the nationals to see one guy put on that late race charge...Eli Tomac. People watch SX to see what Eli will do. Eli is THE ONLY MX and a SX true superstar right now. Nobody else is even close. If he ever believes how good he is...god help the competition.
cable wrote:
I would definatley bet against eli next year and hes the guy i root for. Hes ended up on the ground or rode around in 5th...
I would definatley bet against eli next year and hes the guy i root for. Hes ended up on the ground or rode around in 5th too many times. hes gotten wins once cooper was in conserve points mode. anderson is back next year and roczen should be better. Cooper is going to be tough to beat with his light weight.
MOTO732 wrote:
Eli came into the sx season with an injured back and team mechanic turmoil. He didn't get 5th place finishes because he wanted to.
Webb came into the SX season on a brandnew bike and team and mechanic and everything else new ... Wink
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jorgechavez 5/6/2019 10:39am
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DrinkMoreWater wrote:
Are you trying to live through another man's success, Tomac was defeated mentally at the start of that season and when he had nothing to lose...
Are you trying to live through another man's success, Tomac was defeated mentally at the start of that season and when he had nothing to lose he caught dungey and the one race he needed to show up at he bombed.

He's the fastest man there's no denying that at all, but you saying its all the bike is full of shit yet it's all mental for him always has been he's proven that more than once and proved it again this year.
You have to be a special type of ignorant to think he lost this title purely because he couldn't deal with the pressure. If you do as little as watch the races it's clear as day that Tomac is more comfortable on the bike now than he was at the beginning of the season. But I'm guessing you don't actually watch you just come here to talk shit like a tool.
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deluxeman 5/6/2019 1:40pm
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DrinkMoreWater wrote:
Are you trying to live through another man's success, Tomac was defeated mentally at the start of that season and when he had nothing to lose...
Are you trying to live through another man's success, Tomac was defeated mentally at the start of that season and when he had nothing to lose he caught dungey and the one race he needed to show up at he bombed.

He's the fastest man there's no denying that at all, but you saying its all the bike is full of shit yet it's all mental for him always has been he's proven that more than once and proved it again this year.
jorgechavez wrote:
You have to be a special type of ignorant to think he lost this title purely because he couldn't deal with the pressure. If you do...
You have to be a special type of ignorant to think he lost this title purely because he couldn't deal with the pressure. If you do as little as watch the races it's clear as day that Tomac is more comfortable on the bike now than he was at the beginning of the season. But I'm guessing you don't actually watch you just come here to talk shit like a tool.
Great riders find ways to ride around bike issues. They find ways to mitigate the damage on off nights.They find that mental edge that makes them not want to lose. I just don't completely buy his story of bike set up. He has a great team, you can't miss the setup that often by that much.

Tomac was comfortable at Detroit...Webb Qualified 11th and finished just behind Tomac for 2nd. That is how a champion rides on his off days. Webb looked like shit all night and still came away with 2nd place points. Tomac rarely can do that.

Webb stated that his bike wasn't good in the whoops and they tried multiple changes, in the end he said It's up to me to just ride the bike better.
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jorgechavez 5/6/2019 2:01pm
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deluxeman wrote:
Great riders find ways to ride around bike issues. They find ways to mitigate the damage on off nights.They find that mental edge that makes them...
Great riders find ways to ride around bike issues. They find ways to mitigate the damage on off nights.They find that mental edge that makes them not want to lose. I just don't completely buy his story of bike set up. He has a great team, you can't miss the setup that often by that much.

Tomac was comfortable at Detroit...Webb Qualified 11th and finished just behind Tomac for 2nd. That is how a champion rides on his off days. Webb looked like shit all night and still came away with 2nd place points. Tomac rarely can do that.

Webb stated that his bike wasn't good in the whoops and they tried multiple changes, in the end he said It's up to me to just ride the bike better.
I don't disagree, it's on Tomac to either figure the bike out or just ride it. Clearly he's not good at either. I guess it's a matter of opinion, there's no denying that Tomac struggles with pressure at times but I don't buy this theory that a lot of people have that there was so much pressure for him to perform the entire season and it all of a sudden went away with 4 or 5 rounds to go.

I could be off but if anything wouldn't the pressure be more near the end? I mean he was clearly not riding to level he was the two years prior and would have taken that mentality to the outdoors and going into SX next year.
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Ranman68 5/6/2019 8:40pm
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cable wrote:
I would definatley bet against eli next year and hes the guy i root for. Hes ended up on the ground or rode around in 5th...
I would definatley bet against eli next year and hes the guy i root for. Hes ended up on the ground or rode around in 5th too many times. hes gotten wins once cooper was in conserve points mode. anderson is back next year and roczen should be better. Cooper is going to be tough to beat with his light weight.
MOTO732 wrote:
Eli came into the sx season with an injured back and team mechanic turmoil. He didn't get 5th place finishes because he wanted to.
RichardLoots wrote:
Webb came into the SX season on a brandnew bike and team and mechanic and everything else new ... Wink
What does that have to do with Tomac? Some people take longer to get their hair the way they want it than others. Some teams are better at getting a bike dialed into their rider. Some teams allow more testing and changing the bike to get it right than others. Some riders have styles that require a more specific set up and feel. Some chicks require more foreplay than others before they want you to tap it.
Totally different riders.Totally different riding styles. Totally different bikes with totally different teams and people involved. What you said about Webb is true, but that doesn't make it a good point or relevant in any way.
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mx4all 5/7/2019 12:01am
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TbonesPop wrote:
The guy makes a shit ton of money riding a dirtbike for a living, has won multiple outdoors championships (worth over $1M each), won a lites...
The guy makes a shit ton of money riding a dirtbike for a living, has won multiple outdoors championships (worth over $1M each), won a lites SX championship (can't remember if he won 2 or not), plus MEC $1M (probably gave half to Savatgy). Dude is very financially set. I'm sure he wants to win a 450 SX championship but it just wasn't his year. Hes comfortable now (so it seems) and he's headed to the outdoors where he is most comfortable. Too bad it took that long to figure out the bike, but it is what it is. If he carries this momentum into the outdoors, his competition should be concerned once again. Guy is a beast.
He didnt give savagy anything he said in some podcast. Whiskey throttle I think..
DrinkMoreWater 5/7/2019 12:44am
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deluxeman wrote:
Great riders find ways to ride around bike issues. They find ways to mitigate the damage on off nights.They find that mental edge that makes them...
Great riders find ways to ride around bike issues. They find ways to mitigate the damage on off nights.They find that mental edge that makes them not want to lose. I just don't completely buy his story of bike set up. He has a great team, you can't miss the setup that often by that much.

Tomac was comfortable at Detroit...Webb Qualified 11th and finished just behind Tomac for 2nd. That is how a champion rides on his off days. Webb looked like shit all night and still came away with 2nd place points. Tomac rarely can do that.

Webb stated that his bike wasn't good in the whoops and they tried multiple changes, in the end he said It's up to me to just ride the bike better.
jorgechavez wrote:
I don't disagree, it's on Tomac to either figure the bike out or just ride it. Clearly he's not good at either. I guess it's a...
I don't disagree, it's on Tomac to either figure the bike out or just ride it. Clearly he's not good at either. I guess it's a matter of opinion, there's no denying that Tomac struggles with pressure at times but I don't buy this theory that a lot of people have that there was so much pressure for him to perform the entire season and it all of a sudden went away with 4 or 5 rounds to go.

I could be off but if anything wouldn't the pressure be more near the end? I mean he was clearly not riding to level he was the two years prior and would have taken that mentality to the outdoors and going into SX next year.
It's about the individual the perceived pressure may not look like much on the outside but certainly he buckles under pressure, he crashes out first rounds of the 2016 supercross pretty much no way of winning the championships= no pressure, ends up destroying the field for weeks on end, gapping Dungey by 10 seconds week in week out, then the last race he needed to seal the deal he bombed.

This year, same shit title basically out of reach rides the last few rounds and gaps the whole field.

Tomac is not an Ego based rider, hes a great person who does not want to let his team down but hes not riding for himself he's riding for his team, thats where the pressure is.

A bad bike setup does not make you a 20 second difference rider, period.



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H4L 5/7/2019 7:25am
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His SX story is not over. I believe he will have a 450 SX title before it's all said & done. The last 3 yrs. he has been close, but it seems like only ET3 can beat himself. I agree with RC4's comments at the end of the Vegas race about ET3 figuring things out in SX the competition better watch out.
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wolf918 5/7/2019 7:32am
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deluxeman wrote:
We aren’t talking about anyone but Tomac. Tomac has more wins than anyone on the gate, thats what makes it so much worse. He can’t seem...
We aren’t talking about anyone but Tomac.

Tomac has more wins than anyone on the gate, thats what makes it so much worse. He can’t seem to figure out how to not loose the title. He has given it away 3 years running and this season Webb had more wins than Tomac, so for someone to say Tomac was faster this season doesn’t really hold water.

Webb has exactly 7 wins to Tomac’s 27, yet Webb has a title and Tomac has 0.

So yes you can insult me if you want to, I really don’t care. I don’t know you and you don’t know me. I did not insult you personally. I made a general statement drawn from what I read from posts on Vital.
kpiper wrote:
RC4 (the GOAT) said last night that Tomac is the fastest guy this year.
theprizefighter wrote:
Then why did Cooper beat him on speed more than once?
Off day I guess you would call it. He wasn’t ripping and got beat by webb, he was going backwards and got passed by multiple riders.
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DrinkMoreWater 5/7/2019 11:36am
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Yeah no shit, his riding style is over riding MX is where he can do that without being on, because his bad days are still super fast, Last year he made it a lot harder than it had to be.

The guy who quoted is correct, Tomac's only backed that theory up 3 times in a row.
TbonesPop 5/11/2019 9:01am
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TbonesPop wrote:
The guy makes a shit ton of money riding a dirtbike for a living, has won multiple outdoors championships (worth over $1M each), won a lites...
The guy makes a shit ton of money riding a dirtbike for a living, has won multiple outdoors championships (worth over $1M each), won a lites SX championship (can't remember if he won 2 or not), plus MEC $1M (probably gave half to Savatgy). Dude is very financially set. I'm sure he wants to win a 450 SX championship but it just wasn't his year. Hes comfortable now (so it seems) and he's headed to the outdoors where he is most comfortable. Too bad it took that long to figure out the bike, but it is what it is. If he carries this momentum into the outdoors, his competition should be concerned once again. Guy is a beast.
BobPA wrote:
I don’t believe the outdoors pay anywhere near $1 million....
I don't know if you have Redbull TV or not (if you don't, get it because it is awesome), but if you watch the MX Nation series on there I think it is the Southwick Episode where Jason Anderson is being interviewed and he outright says the Outdoors title pays out about $1.5M overall. it's the episode that showed him battling with Baggett and BB4 crashed out hurting his hand. Anyway, Anderson said point blank in the episode the payout is about $1.5M for the title. I take that for what it's worth and assume it pays out at least $1M.
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sbarrington314 5/11/2019 10:38am
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Shaned9326 wrote:
In two weeks he will be all smiles as the guy will show his speed and rest of field will be scratching their heads again!!
And the 24-0 threads start popping up. Woohoo

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