Is the era of American superstar over?

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carmfarm 4/29/2019 5:28am
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American motocross is weak. When the GPs ride all year they get faster. I know it's hard to understand for vtards.

USA is good at one thing.....SX, where the riders complain about sand corners. LmFAO usa will never be the best in outdoors for a long time...

I love USA but we got soft ..
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mxb2 wrote:
Yep and coldenhoff beat everybody lol. Guess he is the best in the world.
agn5009 wrote:
He’s using one phenomenal race by Lawrence to gauge his entire career. He refuses to take every other race Lawrence has entered and didn’t win into...
He’s using one phenomenal race by Lawrence to gauge his entire career. He refuses to take every other race Lawrence has entered and didn’t win into account. it’s typical vital fashion.

And by the way, I’m a big Lawrence fan and wish nothing but great success for him. But seriously, guys are really funny about one single race.
CPR wrote:
So when he beat Osbourne, the reigning 250 SX & MX champ at the time, the year before doesn't count?
So the fact that he rarely ever won any professional races over the course of a couple years doesn’t count?
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drt410 4/29/2019 6:14am
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What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran down Herlings his last 250 race. Not saying hes better now, but hes clearly stepped it to where he was supposed to be and he may be a problem now. Starts, consistency, speed, wins, and about to be champion. Plus he hates losing... so much he tossed his teammate off the track. If anything the future looks bright. Especially if he forces Eli or Anderson to step up.
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drt410 wrote:
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran...
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran down Herlings his last 250 race. Not saying hes better now, but hes clearly stepped it to where he was supposed to be and he may be a problem now. Starts, consistency, speed, wins, and about to be champion. Plus he hates losing... so much he tossed his teammate off the track. If anything the future looks bright. Especially if he forces Eli or Anderson to step up.
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drt410 wrote:
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran...
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran down Herlings his last 250 race. Not saying hes better now, but hes clearly stepped it to where he was supposed to be and he may be a problem now. Starts, consistency, speed, wins, and about to be champion. Plus he hates losing... so much he tossed his teammate off the track. If anything the future looks bright. Especially if he forces Eli or Anderson to step up.
Agree
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agn5009 wrote:
He’s using one phenomenal race by Lawrence to gauge his entire career. He refuses to take every other race Lawrence has entered and didn’t win into...
He’s using one phenomenal race by Lawrence to gauge his entire career. He refuses to take every other race Lawrence has entered and didn’t win into account. it’s typical vital fashion.

And by the way, I’m a big Lawrence fan and wish nothing but great success for him. But seriously, guys are really funny about one single race.
TBF, the USA were "really funny about one single race" for two decades..
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agn5009 4/29/2019 11:12am
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agn5009 wrote:
He’s using one phenomenal race by Lawrence to gauge his entire career. He refuses to take every other race Lawrence has entered and didn’t win into...
He’s using one phenomenal race by Lawrence to gauge his entire career. He refuses to take every other race Lawrence has entered and didn’t win into account. it’s typical vital fashion.

And by the way, I’m a big Lawrence fan and wish nothing but great success for him. But seriously, guys are really funny about one single race.
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TBF, the USA were "really funny about one single race" for two decades..
They were the best for years. They backed it up year after year. The USA is no longer the best. That ended when we lost RC, JS, RV, RD, M.C. etc. you’re not gonna bait me into a USA vs. everyone else argument since I believe Herlings, Prado, Cairoli and Gajser are the best mx riders in the world.
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Frank Tuesday 4/29/2019 11:34am
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How many titles does ZachO have?
In the class that really counts? Zero
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zehn 4/29/2019 11:50am
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Lol at all the Aussies hanging off of Lawrence's sack
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UpTiTe 4/29/2019 12:14pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
How many titles does ZachO have?
Frank Tuesday wrote:
In the class that really counts? Zero
Seriously?
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supercross was the main event even when rc js and rv were around. so i dont think its the problem. maybe 4 stroke supercross tracks made the sport more smooth but idk if thats the case. after 35 years of absolute dominance its only natural national riders to take a break. usa will come back stronger! btw webb is very good but et is quicker and et didnt manage much in mxdn, so i dont think its the next best thing, maybe next dungey. i meen if rv was around webb didnt stand a chance but either way he has improved a lot and if it keeps that improvement growing maybe he can be an all timer!
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DrinkMoreWater 4/29/2019 1:32pm
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Hudson Deegan, it will be a while but if that kid stays in one piece before he goes pro he will be insane, the kid has zero fear.
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
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Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
deegan will be done before he goes pro. why race pro and struggle for money when he could just be him and ride and make videos and get rich. u can see the kid has no heart. all the GREATS listed above wanted to win and had to win to survive from a very young age. Stewarts family having a secure place to live depended on his results even on 80s. No one is cut from that cloth these days and deegans boy is not even in the conversation. hes lightning fast but everyone with a pro license is.
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fourfourone 4/30/2019 11:03am
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UpTiTe wrote:
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the...
There is 3 kids in the amateurs that will dominate mx for the next ten years when they move up, and two of them have the personalities to be superstars.
FerCzD wrote:
Who are you referring to? I suppose Deegan is one of them
GrayB163 wrote:
deegan will be done before he goes pro. why race pro and struggle for money when he could just be him and ride and make videos...
deegan will be done before he goes pro. why race pro and struggle for money when he could just be him and ride and make videos and get rich. u can see the kid has no heart. all the GREATS listed above wanted to win and had to win to survive from a very young age. Stewarts family having a secure place to live depended on his results even on 80s. No one is cut from that cloth these days and deegans boy is not even in the conversation. hes lightning fast but everyone with a pro license is.
how can you say he doesn't have heart?

FYI these guys like axel, twich, raha, buttery aren't making close to top tier 450 money.
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Titan1 4/30/2019 11:18am
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The GP's will win for another decade, right up until guys like Herlings, Prado, Cairoli and Gajser retire...then the pendulum will swing back to America for a decade or so.

It's widely accepted that the MXGP class is deeper than the 450 national class and that the 250 class is deeper than the MX2 class. When that depth in the 250 class matures to the 450 class...then USA will take over again.

In the mean time...it doesn't matter...enjoy watching fast guys go fast (doesn't matter the series they race on the regular)...Just like we were blessed to have RC and Stewart...and Villopoto and Dungey battling on this side of the pond for a couple decades...now we get to watch Herlings/Cairoli, and Gajser battle on the other side. Just be a fan of the sport and enjoy watching greatness.
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ShipLap 5/1/2019 12:51am
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drt410 wrote:
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran...
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran down Herlings his last 250 race. Not saying hes better now, but hes clearly stepped it to where he was supposed to be and he may be a problem now. Starts, consistency, speed, wins, and about to be champion. Plus he hates losing... so much he tossed his teammate off the track. If anything the future looks bright. Especially if he forces Eli or Anderson to step up.
I don't see anyone on the American front who, if they fall in the first turn, you would say "No problem, they'll get to the front."

We could say that about RC for 10-years. Stewart, at times, and RV as well.

Today only Tomac, and he is so mysteriously inconsistent, it's meaningless.

About the same time we lost this caliber of riders, we lost our memory how to win MXoNs. Coincidence? Perhaps.
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drt410 wrote:
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran...
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran down Herlings his last 250 race. Not saying hes better now, but hes clearly stepped it to where he was supposed to be and he may be a problem now. Starts, consistency, speed, wins, and about to be champion. Plus he hates losing... so much he tossed his teammate off the track. If anything the future looks bright. Especially if he forces Eli or Anderson to step up.
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I don't see anyone on the American front who, if they fall in the first turn, you would say "No problem, they'll get to the front."...
I don't see anyone on the American front who, if they fall in the first turn, you would say "No problem, they'll get to the front."

We could say that about RC for 10-years. Stewart, at times, and RV as well.

Today only Tomac, and he is so mysteriously inconsistent, it's meaningless.

About the same time we lost this caliber of riders, we lost our memory how to win MXoNs. Coincidence? Perhaps.
You are telling me Eli was inconsistent at the nationals last year?? You must have been watching a different series then what I was watching...
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I’m putting it out there the US is going to bounce back big time in the next two years at MXON too much talent and younger crew including Webb who gunna send it .. don’t put Tomac out of the equation cause if he gets comfy on the day he’s gunna go beast mode , and I guarantee you guys he won’t finish his career without going ham for America ...
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drt410 wrote:
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran...
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran down Herlings his last 250 race. Not saying hes better now, but hes clearly stepped it to where he was supposed to be and he may be a problem now. Starts, consistency, speed, wins, and about to be champion. Plus he hates losing... so much he tossed his teammate off the track. If anything the future looks bright. Especially if he forces Eli or Anderson to step up.
This post didn't age real well Wink
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Dirty Points 7/17/2022 2:09pm
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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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Dirty Points wrote:
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
That's a good point.
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When you say superstar what do you mean ? Tomac and Jett are the only two I consider superstar material right now in the US.
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When you say superstar what do you mean ? Tomac and Jett are the only two I consider superstar material right now in the US.
Agreed.

I meant American born, though.
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drt410 wrote:
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran...
What a weird ass time yo make this thread. Webb just became the rider he was expected to be and you dont see anyone? He ran down Herlings his last 250 race. Not saying hes better now, but hes clearly stepped it to where he was supposed to be and he may be a problem now. Starts, consistency, speed, wins, and about to be champion. Plus he hates losing... so much he tossed his teammate off the track. If anything the future looks bright. Especially if he forces Eli or Anderson to step up.
ShipLap wrote:
This post didn't age real well Wink
I mean he’s a 2 time Supercross champion, missed his shot at a 3rd after wadding his shit up in a tough crash, 2 time 250 sx champion and a 250 MX champion, I mean the guy was a last lap assassin his title years in 450s.

Just because these guys can’t crash and win doesn’t mean they aren’t as good, the depth of the class is 2-3 times deeper then when Stew and Rc were winning.
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prozach 7/17/2022 3:11pm
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How does one leave tomac off that original list?
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Superstar. Talent, personality, timing, and LUCK. A rare and elusive mix. Honestly, they usually come out of left field. Plenty of fast guys with no personality or have a faster guy to battle, or wrong bike/team, or get hurt. The stars have to align to birth a superstar. We'll know it when we see it.
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Let's talk superstar...

Back in the day... mc was on the TV show Friends.... he was also on the tonight show along with rc... how many modern riders have we seen on mainstream media?

Before that... you would see rabid fans with "Hannah is god" banners.... "lackey for life".... etc.... the riders used to be more of a focus than yamaha, Pepsi, or camel cigarettes....

These days... it is way more about pushing monster and red bull, instead of the person actually putting their life on the line....

We won't see another mega star until the marketing is more on the rider, than the brand.... fyi.... imo... Jett is the first in over a decade to have a proper marketing machine...
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Furthermore....

You guys ever watch the current atv nationals? Ever watch the current ax series?

Nope... me neither.... yet both used to be very popular...

Most seem to forget that mx/sx can do the exact same... they can go away, or morph into something much lesser.... look at modern road racing, still trying to recover from errors past.....

Recession..... or worse yet, depression is here... and gonna get worse.... the economic climate is terrible right now.... at this point, mx sx should probably be in preservation mode.... not, let's do some crazy stuff and mess up the market mode...
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gt80rider wrote:
Furthermore.... You guys ever watch the current atv nationals? Ever watch the current ax series? Nope... me neither.... yet both used to be very popular... Most...
Furthermore....

You guys ever watch the current atv nationals? Ever watch the current ax series?

Nope... me neither.... yet both used to be very popular...

Most seem to forget that mx/sx can do the exact same... they can go away, or morph into something much lesser.... look at modern road racing, still trying to recover from errors past.....

Recession..... or worse yet, depression is here... and gonna get worse.... the economic climate is terrible right now.... at this point, mx sx should probably be in preservation mode.... not, let's do some crazy stuff and mess up the market mode...
Even worse...

Let's alienate the core fans by making it hard for them to actually see the races.

Either in person by concentrating all of the races in a certain portion of the country or by not having a reliable broadcast partner.

How many normally reliable race fans have discovered something else to do on Saturdays this year...

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decano51 wrote:
there are so many international riders coming through are going to be a serious threats come future times; - The Lawrence brothers - Jo Shimoda -...
there are so many international riders coming through are going to be a serious threats come future times;
- The Lawrence brothers
- Jo Shimoda
- Liam Everts
- Bailey Malkiewicz

The whole "American Superstars" status, i see coming through in time that have that edge to them would be Jalek Swoll and Ryder Defancesco. Two guys who carry them selves as likeable people as well as being marketable with their personality.



On the international riders coming up, you were spot on the top 3 riders. These guys are the fastest current 250F guys on the American outdoor circuit. And arguably, both Lawrence brothers in SX.

Yeah, this post didn't age well, for some, but it actually aged 'very well' for some others on here. A few on here called this over 3 years ago.

At least the Aussie's said Happy Birthday America on the podium at Redbud!!
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