New 2020 YZ’s

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4/26/2019 2:55pm
kpiper wrote:
Why someone does not compete with KTM on the 300 two stroke seems crazy. Come on Yamaha just do it!
stone881 wrote:
Pretty simple if you ask me, Yamaha's goal is to make money and KTM's is to win. I remember not that long ago, late 90s and...
Pretty simple if you ask me, Yamaha's goal is to make money and KTM's is to win. I remember not that long ago, late 90s and up until about 2010 when Yamaha had the premier program and finally overtook Honda in technology terms, but those days are over, at least for now. Dirt bikes don't make the big 4 enough money, plain and simple.
kpiper wrote:
I think the KTM 300 is a big selling bike. Great for dealers too because they can get away with charging full price. I have no...
I think the KTM 300 is a big selling bike. Great for dealers too because they can get away with charging full price. I have no idea how many 300's they sell but it would seem like they make good money on that model.

Be pretty easy for Yamaha to make a 300.
They still don't/won't make money on them, especially when rolling out new technology. If you remember, a couple of years ago Bajaj bought a huge stake in KTM. My guess is that happened because Bajaj is sitting on tons of money from selling shitty street bkes the world over and needed to park some money, maybe improve tech. KTM was probably barely making it with what they had and saw an opp to improve the bottom line with things like the Duke 390, which is made in India.

The big 4 would probably be happy to be out of it altogether but Japanese pride won't let them quit. They 100% for sure aren't making peanuts off dirt bikes compared to their other lines of business.
4/26/2019 3:09pm
stone881 wrote:
Pretty simple if you ask me, Yamaha's goal is to make money and KTM's is to win. I remember not that long ago, late 90s and...
Pretty simple if you ask me, Yamaha's goal is to make money and KTM's is to win. I remember not that long ago, late 90s and up until about 2010 when Yamaha had the premier program and finally overtook Honda in technology terms, but those days are over, at least for now. Dirt bikes don't make the big 4 enough money, plain and simple.
kpiper wrote:
I think the KTM 300 is a big selling bike. Great for dealers too because they can get away with charging full price. I have no...
I think the KTM 300 is a big selling bike. Great for dealers too because they can get away with charging full price. I have no idea how many 300's they sell but it would seem like they make good money on that model.

Be pretty easy for Yamaha to make a 300.
stone881 wrote:
They still don't/won't make money on them, especially when rolling out new technology. If you remember, a couple of years ago Bajaj bought a huge stake...
They still don't/won't make money on them, especially when rolling out new technology. If you remember, a couple of years ago Bajaj bought a huge stake in KTM. My guess is that happened because Bajaj is sitting on tons of money from selling shitty street bkes the world over and needed to park some money, maybe improve tech. KTM was probably barely making it with what they had and saw an opp to improve the bottom line with things like the Duke 390, which is made in India.

The big 4 would probably be happy to be out of it altogether but Japanese pride won't let them quit. They 100% for sure aren't making peanuts off dirt bikes compared to their other lines of business.
Pretty close. I won't get this thread off course so I'll start another thread on it
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That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
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You’re not helping sales for him. Just Sayin’ !!
Well he’s probably somewhere on the spectrum so...
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tough crowd
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I can't wait for the big reveal:

"'Twas I the whole time, Eddie Sanders himself!"
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On a serious note I'm waiting for a new RM125 and a new/redesigned YZ250... I might be waiting for a long time, but I hope not.
4/26/2019 4:27pm
SoCalMX70 wrote:
On a serious note I'm waiting for a new RM125 and a new/redesigned YZ250... I might be waiting for a long time, but I hope not.
I'll be on my way to SVC the second they release info on them
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$900!


That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
have to agree 100%, graphics are way banjo
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4/27/2019 7:26am
stone881 wrote:
Pretty simple if you ask me, Yamaha's goal is to make money and KTM's is to win. I remember not that long ago, late 90s and...
Pretty simple if you ask me, Yamaha's goal is to make money and KTM's is to win. I remember not that long ago, late 90s and up until about 2010 when Yamaha had the premier program and finally overtook Honda in technology terms, but those days are over, at least for now. Dirt bikes don't make the big 4 enough money, plain and simple.
kpiper wrote:
I think the KTM 300 is a big selling bike. Great for dealers too because they can get away with charging full price. I have no...
I think the KTM 300 is a big selling bike. Great for dealers too because they can get away with charging full price. I have no idea how many 300's they sell but it would seem like they make good money on that model.

Be pretty easy for Yamaha to make a 300.
stone881 wrote:
They still don't/won't make money on them, especially when rolling out new technology. If you remember, a couple of years ago Bajaj bought a huge stake...
They still don't/won't make money on them, especially when rolling out new technology. If you remember, a couple of years ago Bajaj bought a huge stake in KTM. My guess is that happened because Bajaj is sitting on tons of money from selling shitty street bkes the world over and needed to park some money, maybe improve tech. KTM was probably barely making it with what they had and saw an opp to improve the bottom line with things like the Duke 390, which is made in India.

The big 4 would probably be happy to be out of it altogether but Japanese pride won't let them quit. They 100% for sure aren't making peanuts off dirt bikes compared to their other lines of business.
Honda said they sold over 40,000 CRF450X's over the previous model's life span. If they make $1000 average per unit that's $40,000,000....
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4/28/2019 7:55pm
ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement! $900! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/25/341916/s1200_IMG_20181202_095120852_HDR.jpg[/img]
ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement!
$900!


That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
Motomike

Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike?

Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay Suzuki!

On top of that, you are not in the best of shape. Looks like Aldon Baker (KTM’s Trainer) would give up on you!
Too many Carbs = SLOW! (me 175 lbs., healthy)

Who the hell rides yellow anymore?

The Dirt Digits company owner and myself, as well as others have thought these were some of the cleanest “WORKS LIKE (70/80s”) Graphics” that you could put on a bike. Sorry but 3 and 4 colors look like shit!

In the End we are all having FUN! KISS




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4/28/2019 8:02pm
ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement! $900! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/25/341916/s1200_IMG_20181202_095120852_HDR.jpg[/img]
ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement!
$900!


That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
Motomike Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/28/342661/s1200_reed_05_pose_1024.jpg[/img] Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay...
Motomike

Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike?

Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay Suzuki!

On top of that, you are not in the best of shape. Looks like Aldon Baker (KTM’s Trainer) would give up on you!
Too many Carbs = SLOW! (me 175 lbs., healthy)

Who the hell rides yellow anymore?

The Dirt Digits company owner and myself, as well as others have thought these were some of the cleanest “WORKS LIKE (70/80s”) Graphics” that you could put on a bike. Sorry but 3 and 4 colors look like shit!

In the End we are all having FUN! KISS




You look so incredibly fast, elbows down and all.
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4/28/2019 8:16pm Edited Date/Time 4/28/2019 8:18pm
I don't claim to be fast, I just have FUN!

By the way don't knock a bike until you have TIRED IT, 4-5 other riders that have ridden my ESR 325 have said they would like to have one.

IT'S ABOUT FUN!

Probably 95% of the guys on this Forum "don't get paid to ride", so what is the point of spending $9-11K on a new bike that then cost $1,100 to rebuild every 3 years?

It's called KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
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4/28/2019 8:19pm
I don't claim to be fast, I just have FUN! By the way don't knock a bike until you have TIRED IT, 4-5 other riders that...
I don't claim to be fast, I just have FUN!

By the way don't knock a bike until you have TIRED IT, 4-5 other riders that have ridden my ESR 325 have said they would like to have one.

IT'S ABOUT FUN!

Probably 95% of the guys on this Forum "don't get paid to ride", so what is the point of spending $9-11K on a new bike that then cost $1,100 to rebuild every 3 years?

It's called KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
Well I mean you called a fellow member fat and slow just because he didn't like your graphics, but i've seen some bigger guys move pretty damn well.
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I love watching boomers argue about meaningless shit on the internet
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Tell us more. What do you really think of it, get really in-depth
all you need to know is that it is the best thing to come around since the invention of sliced bread.
Motox627! wrote:
Can we also discuss the graphics?
Let's not!
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ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement! $900! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/25/341916/s1200_IMG_20181202_095120852_HDR.jpg[/img]
ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement!
$900!


That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
Motomike Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/28/342661/s1200_reed_05_pose_1024.jpg[/img] Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay...
Motomike

Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike?

Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay Suzuki!

On top of that, you are not in the best of shape. Looks like Aldon Baker (KTM’s Trainer) would give up on you!
Too many Carbs = SLOW! (me 175 lbs., healthy)

Who the hell rides yellow anymore?

The Dirt Digits company owner and myself, as well as others have thought these were some of the cleanest “WORKS LIKE (70/80s”) Graphics” that you could put on a bike. Sorry but 3 and 4 colors look like shit!

In the End we are all having FUN! KISS




Didn’t say a yz was gay, I said yours looks gay.

And you’re right I’m fat, all you pussies that get butt hurt over everything always gotta go to calling me or someone else fat, that’s all you got lol, but guess what at the size I am I’ll run circles around you on that pos Suzuki all day long with probably minimal effort.

And I’d love to ride a 325 yz big bore But you thinking yours looks like a factory Chad reed replica basically is about as stupid as you making fun of me for having a actual good looking Suzuki.

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4/28/2019 8:34pm
zehn wrote:
I love watching boomers argue about meaningless shit on the internet
Your right, it's the end of SX, we have to do something to have some FUN!


LOL!!!
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That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
Motomike Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/28/342661/s1200_reed_05_pose_1024.jpg[/img] Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay...
Motomike

Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike?

Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay Suzuki!

On top of that, you are not in the best of shape. Looks like Aldon Baker (KTM’s Trainer) would give up on you!
Too many Carbs = SLOW! (me 175 lbs., healthy)

Who the hell rides yellow anymore?

The Dirt Digits company owner and myself, as well as others have thought these were some of the cleanest “WORKS LIKE (70/80s”) Graphics” that you could put on a bike. Sorry but 3 and 4 colors look like shit!

In the End we are all having FUN! KISS




Didn’t say a yz was gay, I said yours looks gay. And you’re right I’m fat, all you pussies that get butt hurt over everything always...
Didn’t say a yz was gay, I said yours looks gay.

And you’re right I’m fat, all you pussies that get butt hurt over everything always gotta go to calling me or someone else fat, that’s all you got lol, but guess what at the size I am I’ll run circles around you on that pos Suzuki all day long with probably minimal effort.

And I’d love to ride a 325 yz big bore But you thinking yours looks like a factory Chad reed replica basically is about as stupid as you making fun of me for having a actual good looking Suzuki.

Ladies please, you're both fat and both your bikes are ugly.Silly

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4/28/2019 8:53pm
Motomike, no worries, I am sure you go fast!

I simply have a different take on what graphics looked good from some time ago.


The bottom line of most ALL of my POST, is Yamaha needs to WAKE THE HELL UP!

The SX/MX/Off-Road WORLD is to DAMMED EXPENSIVE, sales are DOWN 40-60% from years ago, we are losing people left and right.

WHAT THE HELL ARE THE BIG 4 going to do about IT?

Including Suzuki and Kawasaki, they would benefit the most from introducing 300, 350 or 400cc 2 Strokes! TPI or something else, Oil Injection maybe, Electric Start if they think that would help (i don't think it is a requirement), but we want Increased TORQUE on a 2-Stroke!

YZ 300's, 350's and 400's are the FUTURE (for 75% of the riders) TO RESTORING THIS SPORT!

Less up front cost, less service/repair cost, I mean come on Yamaha make a Big Bore 2 Stroke!



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ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement! $900! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/25/341916/s1200_IMG_20181202_095120852_HDR.jpg[/img]
ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement!
$900!


That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
Motomike Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/28/342661/s1200_reed_05_pose_1024.jpg[/img] Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay...
Motomike

Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike?

Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay Suzuki!

On top of that, you are not in the best of shape. Looks like Aldon Baker (KTM’s Trainer) would give up on you!
Too many Carbs = SLOW! (me 175 lbs., healthy)

Who the hell rides yellow anymore?

The Dirt Digits company owner and myself, as well as others have thought these were some of the cleanest “WORKS LIKE (70/80s”) Graphics” that you could put on a bike. Sorry but 3 and 4 colors look like shit!

In the End we are all having FUN! KISS




Hmmm, Chad Reed was last seen on one of them there yonder yellow Suzuki's, something like JGR I think. What the hell does T-7 stand for ? lol.
4/28/2019 9:49pm
T7 is simply an old Windsurfing Race number, used because it's simple. Suzuki needs 2 Strokes in their lineup more than any other brand, they need to turn things around!

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Any news on the yzf 250? What's going to be different from the 19? Looking into getting one and not sure whether to wait?
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grimsypro wrote:
Any news on the yzf 250? What's going to be different from the 19? Looking into getting one and not sure whether to wait?
Only a guess, but probably just minor updates to fix a few minor reliability/ durability issues...wouldn't really expect any more than that after the all new 19 model...
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Motomike Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/28/342661/s1200_reed_05_pose_1024.jpg[/img] Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay...
Motomike

Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike?

Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay Suzuki!

On top of that, you are not in the best of shape. Looks like Aldon Baker (KTM’s Trainer) would give up on you!
Too many Carbs = SLOW! (me 175 lbs., healthy)

Who the hell rides yellow anymore?

The Dirt Digits company owner and myself, as well as others have thought these were some of the cleanest “WORKS LIKE (70/80s”) Graphics” that you could put on a bike. Sorry but 3 and 4 colors look like shit!

In the End we are all having FUN! KISS




Your bike is the reason Yamaha will probably stop producing YZ’s after the way they see you ruined that one. IF they continue to produce them, I would take that steaming pile of crap you have now and part out what you can and start over.

Mike will run circles around you on a bike. Better check yourself.

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$900!


That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
I'll 2nd that
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Motomike, no worries, I am sure you go fast! I simply have a different take on what graphics looked good from some time ago. The bottom...
Motomike, no worries, I am sure you go fast!

I simply have a different take on what graphics looked good from some time ago.


The bottom line of most ALL of my POST, is Yamaha needs to WAKE THE HELL UP!

The SX/MX/Off-Road WORLD is to DAMMED EXPENSIVE, sales are DOWN 40-60% from years ago, we are losing people left and right.

WHAT THE HELL ARE THE BIG 4 going to do about IT?

Including Suzuki and Kawasaki, they would benefit the most from introducing 300, 350 or 400cc 2 Strokes! TPI or something else, Oil Injection maybe, Electric Start if they think that would help (i don't think it is a requirement), but we want Increased TORQUE on a 2-Stroke!

YZ 300's, 350's and 400's are the FUTURE (for 75% of the riders) TO RESTORING THIS SPORT!

Less up front cost, less service/repair cost, I mean come on Yamaha make a Big Bore 2 Stroke!



the fact that you think moto sales are down because the right options aren't available to you is insane. There's a million bikes to choose from. families are just going with the razr now cause everyone can enjoy. a yz-300 ain't gonna do shit.
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4/29/2019 7:34am Edited Date/Time 4/29/2019 7:52am
Motomike Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/28/342661/s1200_reed_05_pose_1024.jpg[/img] Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay...
Motomike

Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike?

Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay Suzuki!

On top of that, you are not in the best of shape. Looks like Aldon Baker (KTM’s Trainer) would give up on you!
Too many Carbs = SLOW! (me 175 lbs., healthy)

Who the hell rides yellow anymore?

The Dirt Digits company owner and myself, as well as others have thought these were some of the cleanest “WORKS LIKE (70/80s”) Graphics” that you could put on a bike. Sorry but 3 and 4 colors look like shit!

In the End we are all having FUN! KISS




If you removed the white perforated graphic on the tank, white graphic on the black airbox and swingarm stickers, your bike would look aesthetically a bit more appealing. The rather large, bold and unorthodox number is also playing with people's emotions. I've never seen a motocross number prefixed with a letter. The step seat might be a little unnecessary as well.

If you'll note, Chad Reed's YZ250 has a very simple, clean aesthetic that makes the older YZ's truly special. The thing I personally like about the 90's and early 00's factor two-strokes is how simple and clean they were. No bold graphics, no Monster Energy stickers. Literally, just the manufacturer and displacement stickers and that's it.

All of that pettiness aside, you have a YZ250/325 two-stroke and that's badass. Even if you were leading the Gay Pride parade wearing assless black leather chaps, waving a rainbow flag, you still wouldn't be gay with a YZ325 in your steed.

Those graphics though...
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ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement! $900! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/25/341916/s1200_IMG_20181202_095120852_HDR.jpg[/img]
ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement!
$900!


That's the gayest looking fucking bike I have about ever seen
Motomike Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/04/28/342661/s1200_reed_05_pose_1024.jpg[/img] Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay...
Motomike

Try arguing with Chad Reed (check photos), does he have a gay colored bike?

Your quick to judge, but you have a Yellow gay Suzuki!

On top of that, you are not in the best of shape. Looks like Aldon Baker (KTM’s Trainer) would give up on you!
Too many Carbs = SLOW! (me 175 lbs., healthy)

Who the hell rides yellow anymore?

The Dirt Digits company owner and myself, as well as others have thought these were some of the cleanest “WORKS LIKE (70/80s”) Graphics” that you could put on a bike. Sorry but 3 and 4 colors look like shit!

In the End we are all having FUN! KISS




Holy crap, did you just compare the look of your bike to Chad Reed's factory YZ and say yours looks better???
Pass me some of what you are smoking!!! Hint, sometimes less is more.
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ESR (Eddie Sanders Racing) already provides a 325! Best bike ever! No replacement for Displacement!
$900!


I’d ditch the swing arm sticker and go black disc cover, but otherwise think it’s a nice looking bike!
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