Chronic bad riding habit

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I took at least a year of riding 3 days a week to get my feet position right ( ball of foot ). Now I’m concentrating...
I took at least a year of riding 3 days a week to get my feet position right ( ball of foot ).
Now I’m concentrating on weighting pegs thru corners , and standing up as much as possible on track.
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Do you ride on the balls of your feet the whole time and just move your foot forward to shift and brake? I can’t grasp the...
Do you ride on the balls of your feet the whole time and just move your foot forward to shift and brake? I can’t grasp the concept after 30 years of riding on my arches. Front side of heel to backside of peg. I do move to the balls when in whoops though. Balls = toes just over the front side of the peg.
I ride a 450 and just use 3rd gear for pretty much every track I go to. Very lazy I know.
And my right ankle is fused so I very rarely use rear brake
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I used to do the same thing until I went to the Suzuki school at Carlsbad, Mark Blackwell put a piece of tape on the front...
I used to do the same thing until I went to the Suzuki school at Carlsbad, Mark Blackwell put a piece of tape on the front fender and told me if and when you see the tape,look up! It worked.I never look down unless I'm on my trials bike.
Did he put the tape right out on the tip of the fender?
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I like the idea given to put tape on the top of your goggles, sounds like it will work. Let us know (assuming you will try it) how it works.
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I like the idea given to put tape on the top of your goggles, sounds like it will work. Let us know (assuming you will try...
I like the idea given to put tape on the top of your goggles, sounds like it will work. Let us know (assuming you will try it) how it works.
Im going to write a list of all the best suggestions here and give them a go when I get back on the bike, probably get a go pro and helmet mount too as that should show up my mistakes pretty good..
I will update this thread when that time comes

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3/12/2019 8:00am Edited Date/Time 3/12/2019 8:01am
colintrax wrote:
You seriously need to correct this, looks like you're ducking roost. As someone else said, go ride at 75% and just focus far ahead. Go ride...
You seriously need to correct this, looks like you're ducking roost.
As someone else said, go ride at 75% and just focus far ahead. Go ride trails and tracks you dont ride.
Glad you're not hurt worse
Glad you're not hurt.

Yeah like others have said, ride slower and remove the dangerous stuff while you work on it. Go to the vet track or trails with no jumps, or tape a picture of some old man's balls on your front fender if you need to.

Here's a few tips I've seen work

Straighten your back
Go about 75% speed, preferably on a track with no jumps or big ruts
As soon as you exit a corner focus on the entry to the next one corner or major obstacle
Have someone watch you and flag you down as soon as they catch you doing it
Do this for about 15 minutes at a time, each time increasing your speed a little bit

If that still doesn't work,

Stand through the whole track
Put black tape on the top and bottom thirds of your goggle lens (use an old set of goggles) and go back to 75% or less speed.



Good luck and keep working on it.
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Update? Any of the tips to get your head up work?
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We all have/had bad riding habits.

I had a bad habit of riding my ex girlfriend's twin sister years ago. I fixed that by marrying her.
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Tape fishing pole to helmet . Hang nude pic of hot chick off hook. Problem solved.
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Lucifa. wrote:
We all have/had bad riding habits.

I had a bad habit of riding my ex girlfriend's twin sister years ago. I fixed that by marrying her.
That's TWO bad habits... Never buy the cow if the milks for free holmes
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wildbill wrote:
Desert riding is s great cure for your condition. Flying along at mach 6 pinned is conducive to looking WAY ahead for obstacles that you'll soon...
Desert riding is s great cure for your condition. Flying along at mach 6 pinned is conducive to looking WAY ahead for obstacles that you'll soon be upon.
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I figure that you are absolutely correct about that, but frankly the thought of riding flat out over unknown terrain terrifies me! Ive always wondered how...
I figure that you are absolutely correct about that, but frankly the thought of riding flat out over unknown terrain terrifies me!
Ive always wondered how the guys that race the Finke desert race...especially in the dust. Absolute balls of steel!
And when Curt Caselli lost his life in that type of event....I mean he was one of the best...
Its not for me...not ever!
KC66 knew that section of course like the back of his hand (he pre ran it many times)...he hit an animal...freak accident.

Some people like the thrill of jumping 100 foot jumps and falling from 40 feet in the sky...some guys like to go fast across desert theyve never seen. (Reality of desert racing is that unless you are a top level pro, you will seldom be wide open across the desert).
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brocster wrote:
Put a sticker on your front fender that reads look ahead ——> I find my self looking down more when the track is really wet or...
Put a sticker on your front fender that reads look ahead ——>

I find my self looking down more when the track is really wet or choppy, if its nice and groomed I tend to look up and out. 9 times out of 10 these are the days that “flow” better than anyother.
A sticker?

If he was my buddy, I'd get a big ol' dildo from the toy store and use a self-tapper to mount it on his front fender.

Then tell him: "You can look ahead, or you can stare at a dick all day. Your choice pal."
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brocster wrote:
Put a sticker on your front fender that reads look ahead ——> I find my self looking down more when the track is really wet or...
Put a sticker on your front fender that reads look ahead ——>

I find my self looking down more when the track is really wet or choppy, if its nice and groomed I tend to look up and out. 9 times out of 10 these are the days that “flow” better than anyother.
cwtoyota wrote:
A sticker? If he was my buddy, I'd get a big ol' dildo from the toy store and use a self-tapper to mount it on his...
A sticker?

If he was my buddy, I'd get a big ol' dildo from the toy store and use a self-tapper to mount it on his front fender.

Then tell him: "You can look ahead, or you can stare at a dick all day. Your choice pal."
Gotta admit..thats a pisser!
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Update? Any of the tips to get your head up work?
No...Im still in the cast for another week and a half as of typing this...
Had a lot of time to think...walked that track section since and i really didn't have much time to spot her and recognize that she was going so slow...it was a bad and unlucky incident...i cant blame her...just this past weekend i observed 2 guys...good riders, in the expert group, doing the exact same thing she was doing...wheels on the ground, trail riding that section, apparently oblivious to how fast someone was likely to come up behind them...
Took some videos of guys jumping thst section , will post them here..
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Ok this is that section side on...its very fast and flat trajectory...i hit this section the same as these guys...
Imagine popping up,over that second jump and there is someone going snails pace in the middle ofvthe track...
I should have seen her, but my opportunity was when i was airborne over the preceding jump, instead I was looking straight where my front wheel was gonna land..
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4/5/2019 3:29am Edited Date/Time 4/5/2019 3:31am
This is the same section viewed from further down the hill, it is a blind jump side on it doesn't seem that way when viewed side on..
Anyway...in another week and a , i can get back to shearing and back to riding...i am very lucky to get out of a crash off that jump, at that speed with just a broken wrist..

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Well my cast comes off tomorrow, then I have a shearing job the next day...havnt been working much other than some roustabouting work my boss gave me, but there wasn't much of that so Im hanging to get back on the handpiece and start making some money again!
Been watching a lot of riding technique videos lately..really like the Doug Dubach ones.
Its Easter this weekend and our track is open Saturday and monday. Getting ready to do a lot of riding at a greatly reduced pace whilst concentrating on techniqe...above all...looking up and forward ...
Its going to be interesting!

Come to the conclusion after a lot of thinking, that this crash was as much about my lack of experience at riding ride parks as it was about looking at the ground too much .
Ive always been a racer...pretty much just only ridden on my own private tracks I once had, or at the races. When you are racing , you dont really concern yourself with the possibility of running into the back of a massively slower rider..generally speaking, unless you are winning the race, anyone in front of you is likely as fast or faster than you..Generally speaking, in a race , everyone is riding as fast as they can everywhere on the track and nobody is going 100% then backing off to a walking pace right in the middle of the track , at the absolute fastest section of the track and over blind obstacles.????

Ive been at the track every weekend since my crash to help with watering and monitoring the riders...like a free floating flagger..thats what we have at our track, usually 3 people spread out watching for accidents or for riders being stupid or riding in the wrong group...I also made a 12v flashing warning light with a long distance portable remote control to cover that section of track...unfortunately had to use it twice the weekend b4 last..
What Ive noticed is several close calls at precisely the same point where I struck the slower rder...the section is so fast and Ive seen a lot of good riders trail ride through it, seemingly unaware of how fast other riders are coming up behind them....
I really want changes made to that section but budgetary and time constaints are in the way of that at this time..
Sure hope we dont see another bad one there b4 the changes get made...
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I Suggest practicing any of the tips given that interest you and go and add a race or two a month to your riding program. One has to look ahead to set up passing.

TO stay ofF the rear brake and get better foot placement I determine to never use my rear brake whilst i am on the track unless there iS an emergency need . I put the pEdal as high as it will go and don't touch it . Heck, i am willing to remove it on practice days if need be.
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PJRAUS wrote:
[embed] https://youtu.be/iEag65n-J44 [/embed] If anyone's interested, someone posted a pretty good go pro riding this track. The guy is on a 125 and seems a pretty...


If anyone's interested, someone posted a pretty good go pro riding this track.
The guy is on a 125 and seems a pretty good rider and obviously looks up more than I do??
This video is from b4 Christmas and the jump where the incident happened is different now.
The up ramp is now built up maybe 18 inches or 2 foot higher but still has the same flat angle of trajectory.
The landing area used to be fairly flat before dipping over the downhill side.
This guy is doing what we were pretty much all doing, landing in the middle to far edge of the plateau and kind of bouncing off that over to the down side. I can guarantee you hes doing this in 6th

now that landing area has been built up 2 or 3 feet and is a lot longer from front to back but is very rounded on both sides.
So now it has more of a pronounced bike hiding dip between the take off and the landing.
Its a safe jump, doesnt matter where you land, its not gonna be a problem, its just that if you wanna make it all the way over to the downside, where this rider kind of bounces to after landing, you have to be fully tapped.

The problem is that you have to go so fast to downside it that you come up on people not doing that very, very fast, the way the jump is now, fast as this guy is going, he would be in danger of being struck from behind by someone downsiding it, or at least side swiped.
In this incident, the other rider was not jumping at all, she was keeping her wheels on the ground all the way from the upface of the step up double to up and over the next jump and more or less in the middle of the track.
When I came over that jump and saw her there,It was the scariest moment of my life, I should have seen what she was doing while I was in the air over the step up double, but I was looking at the ground where I was going to land it, which is how I fucked this up..
Im pretty sure this jump will b changed now, ironically the track operator and I were standing on this jump after xmas while he was changing it and we discussed what dangers might be there, given that its a ride park and has to cater for all abilities.
It was me that said that its just going to be so fast that someone is going to run into someone riding slow...never dreamed it would be me!
We might have to find the extra dirt to build a bunch of obstacles along there to slow it right down
I haven’t been out to chesneyvale yet might have to check it out looks not bad
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This is exactly what I was going to recommend. The problem doesn't sound like you aren't trying to look ahead it sounds like you aren't used to trusting your reactions to deal with the course that is now in working memory. The best way to break a habit of trusting what's in front of you is to make what's in front of you easy to trust and build from there. Find a smooth flat area where you can mark out a short course there and practice on it.

I'm starting to feel more thankful that I had my dad to force me to do stuff like this when I was a kid. It takes time to reinforce good habits and I'm starting to see just how helpful it was doing circles in the backyard for an hour until my dad told me to to turn around and go the other way lol
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This is exactly what I was going to recommend. The problem doesn't sound like you aren't trying to look ahead it sounds like you aren't used...
This is exactly what I was going to recommend. The problem doesn't sound like you aren't trying to look ahead it sounds like you aren't used to trusting your reactions to deal with the course that is now in working memory. The best way to break a habit of trusting what's in front of you is to make what's in front of you easy to trust and build from there. Find a smooth flat area where you can mark out a short course there and practice on it.

I'm starting to feel more thankful that I had my dad to force me to do stuff like this when I was a kid. It takes time to reinforce good habits and I'm starting to see just how helpful it was doing circles in the backyard for an hour until my dad told me to to turn around and go the other way lol
Yeah, im hoping to get access to a space where I can do some basic practice drills this winter. Winter is a quiet time in my line of work ,so I wannna take the opportunity to ride a lot.
I think you are right about me tending to have a course memorized so that looking ahead isnt as high a priority as it should be.
When I think about it...I have always been an absolute sucker for following blown out berms right off the track..
Someone else said, racing makes you look up to set up a pass...when I think about it, I usually ride better when I race because I am always watching the rider in front of me, which means Im looking up.

I guess I just haven't done enough riding or racing in recent years, actually been battling quite a bit to get myself into a position where I get to rack up a lot of seat time...I was just getting there when this happened ??
I once had a small property with a good sized turn track and a big supercross track.. sold the prooerty in 2008
Will have myself organised for Saturday with a written list of things I need to do when I'm on the bike..I will tape the list to my crossbar pad!
Once Im back working, Im gonna buy a gopro and video all my riding and watch it so that I might see for myself what Im doing and where Im actually looking
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4/16/2019 3:37pm
You said it in ur last sentence! You have to slow down and stay focused on the new technique!
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Just my 2 cents...actually following Ryan Hughes instruction.... If you are riding on the balls of your feet, and with unlocked hips, I don’t see how...
Just my 2 cents...actually following Ryan Hughes instruction....

If you are riding on the balls of your feet, and with unlocked hips, I don’t see how it wouldn’t force the head up...
mooch wrote:
Possibly you can explain the unlocked hips thing...I've never had a grasp on what that is.
Instead of bending your spine to reach forward, you bend at the hips and keep your back straight. Find virtually any picture of Stewart and he looks about like there's a pole duct-taped to his back- all his bending was done at the hips and not his spine.

Look up "Foundation Training" on YouTube. 12 minute exercise video that really helps with learning how to move this way, which keeps your back from hurting.
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You said it in ur last sentence! You have to slow down and stay focused on the new technique!
Its embarrassing to think that in the 38 years I've been riding, I have never mastered the art of slowing down and concentrating on technique. I swear it all just goes out the window the second I swing a leg over the bike..
Well, I will find out pretty soon if I have the mental strength to break this habit..
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Well,I didn't ride today, got the gypsies warning from the quack this week. My wrist isn't healed....im back at work...no choice...quack said not to do that...but I have to..he said no sport....fall on your hand it will just break again...wait another 6 weeks......
I will sneak out for a very reserved ride next weekend.
Still....im enjoying helping with watering and overwatch ....I love to be here at the track..even if I can't ride...
4/20/2019 1:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/20/2019 2:01pm
Girl did same thing to me. She didn’t crash. I broke my foot. Cross overs are horrible. Riding incidents.

Your jump wasn’t blind ?
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When I haven't ridden for a while, or haven't ridden ruts/tech track my vision drops big time until I get comfortable with the conditions.

Switching between bikes could be contributing to you not feeling comfortable too.
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Girl did same thing to me. She didn’t crash. I broke my foot. Cross overs are horrible. Riding incidents.

Your jump wasn’t blind ?
Yeah it is to a point, when the rider in front dips in between the two jumps, but I should have seen what she was doing whilst airborne on the preceeding jump. I always knew she was there, she was quite a distance in front of me and riding my pace, but when she got to that section she backed it down to trail riding pace and I just didn't pick up on it.
Ive seen a lot of good riders since the incident, doing the exact same thing she was doing. They obviously dont like that jump, but they aren't thinking about just how fast someone is likely to be coming up on them....they belong riding in the expert group....they just trail ride that jump though and that can be very dangerous.
In time that whole section will be changed to slow it down...its all about dirt availability, time and of course money
4/20/2019 3:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/20/2019 4:03pm
Have you done anything to plan for your next riding day?
Id personally recommend setting a reminder (possibly on your phone) and intention for that day to focus only on looking ahead and nothing else. Don't worry about going fast/clearing jumps or whatever else you're thought process is, nor worry about long motos. One thought and one thought only.
And I've seen posted already but I have a mate who has duct tape on his bar pad saying "Look ahead, knees tight, elbows up, loose arms". Since you look down a lot you will see you're bar pad and get a reminder. Put notes of what you need to focus on, it works for him... he smokes me! haha

And lastly, after 2 years of scouring this forum I've decided to finally post... so hi everyone haha! hopefully my post is still valid besides being a first time poster...
Edit: Join date shows 4/20/2019 (blaze up) but I just made my account today... I've actually been on this forum for 2 years plus haha!
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Have you done anything to plan for your next riding day? Id personally recommend setting a reminder (possibly on your phone) and intention for that day...
Have you done anything to plan for your next riding day?
Id personally recommend setting a reminder (possibly on your phone) and intention for that day to focus only on looking ahead and nothing else. Don't worry about going fast/clearing jumps or whatever else you're thought process is, nor worry about long motos. One thought and one thought only.
And I've seen posted already but I have a mate who has duct tape on his bar pad saying "Look ahead, knees tight, elbows up, loose arms". Since you look down a lot you will see you're bar pad and get a reminder. Put notes of what you need to focus on, it works for him... he smokes me! haha

And lastly, after 2 years of scouring this forum I've decided to finally post... so hi everyone haha! hopefully my post is still valid besides being a first time poster...
Edit: Join date shows 4/20/2019 (blaze up) but I just made my account today... I've actually been on this forum for 2 years plus haha!
Kieran
Shut up noob!! Ha ha, I always wanted to say that.
Ive been planning to do exactly what you said, put notes on my crossbar pad...just bummed out that the fractures in my wrist are still so visible on the xray after 6 weeks...doctor said it would break again easily so I need to give it another 6 weeks he said..
Its something I should have done years ago really..

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