A few things about Cooper's wild ride and officiating...

GuyB wrote:

Get back to me as soon as F1 starts having rhythm sections, whoops, and triples.

Underground wrote:

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks it was unintentional. Question is, shouldn't he have let Eli back past because he unintentionally gained a position or advantage, then...

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks it was unintentional. Question is, shouldn't he have let Eli back past because he unintentionally gained a position or advantage, then continued to race on? Didn't someone else do that back in Vegas one year? Or is that just a gentleman's code and these day's it's whatever gets the job done and as long as there's no violence it's all ok?

Underground wrote:

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks it was unintentional. Question is, shouldn't he have let Eli back past because he unintentionally gained a position or advantage, then...

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks it was unintentional. Question is, shouldn't he have let Eli back past because he unintentionally gained a position or advantage, then continued to race on? Didn't someone else do that back in Vegas one year? Or is that just a gentleman's code and these day's it's whatever gets the job done and as long as there's no violence it's all ok?

captmoto wrote:

Webb had the back wheel locked up. If he doesn't turn the bars he torpedoes Tomac like a jackhammer. Then what?

Underground wrote:

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks it was unintentional. Question is, shouldn't he have let Eli back past because he unintentionally gained a position or advantage, then...

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks it was unintentional. Question is, shouldn't he have let Eli back past because he unintentionally gained a position or advantage, then continued to race on? Didn't someone else do that back in Vegas one year? Or is that just a gentleman's code and these day's it's whatever gets the job done and as long as there's no violence it's all ok?

captmoto wrote:

Webb had the back wheel locked up. If he doesn't turn the bars he torpedoes Tomac like a jackhammer. Then what?

markit wrote:

And run into there beloved ET, they wold d calling for CWs blood or a hanginng. ???

Underground wrote:

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks it was unintentional. Question is, shouldn't he have let Eli back past because he unintentionally gained a position or advantage, then...

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks it was unintentional. Question is, shouldn't he have let Eli back past because he unintentionally gained a position or advantage, then continued to race on? Didn't someone else do that back in Vegas one year? Or is that just a gentleman's code and these day's it's whatever gets the job done and as long as there's no violence it's all ok?

captmoto wrote:

Webb had the back wheel locked up. If he doesn't turn the bars he torpedoes Tomac like a jackhammer. Then what?

GuyB wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/17/332532/s780_webb_tomac.jpg[/img] Quick question...where does the pass actually happen here? Match up the frames...

Quick question...where does the pass actually happen here? Match up the frames...

GuyB wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/03/17/332532/s780_webb_tomac.jpg[/img] Quick question...where does the pass actually happen here? Match up the frames...

Quick question...where does the pass actually happen here? Match up the frames...

MohMoto14 wrote:

GuyB you've went full vitard.

Moto man wrote:

I don’t understand GuyB’s post. Nobody is arguing about intent. Does Webb exit the corner ahead of Tomac without whiskey throttling through the tuff blocks? No...

I don’t understand GuyB’s post. Nobody is arguing about intent. Does Webb exit the corner ahead of Tomac without whiskey throttling through the tuff blocks? No. Advantage gained. Dock him a position. Simple.

mxtech1 wrote:

I imported the photo into AutoCad and traced both Webb and Tomac's line from the corner entrance through corner exit. Webb's "mistake" resulted in traveling a...

I imported the photo into AutoCad and traced both Webb and Tomac's line from the corner entrance through corner exit.

Webb's "mistake" resulted in traveling a distance 32% shorter than Tomac's.

I also inserted a white line to show what I think would be a tight, inside line used in a conventional block pass and Webb still traveled 10% less distance.

Titan1 wrote:

Say Webb doesn’t have the accidental off track excursion. Tomac doesn’t have to check up in the corner (which is a guarantee), the pass doesn’t happen...

Say Webb doesn’t have the accidental off track excursion. Tomac doesn’t have to check up in the corner (which is a guarantee), the pass doesn’t happen in that corner.

Scenario 1: The pass happens two corners later.

Scenario 2: The pass never happens...Tomac stays in front of him and ends up winning the championship by 1 point (because that accidental pass doesn’t happen). Not unlikely considering how one lined the track was.

Scenario 3: A lap later Webb is getting desperate to make a pass, forced the issue on the inside, comes up short on the triple, blows half the spokes out of his front wheel, or maybe a lapper gets in his way and he crashes and breaks off his clutch lever, or twists up the front end, and either DNF’s or finishes outside the top 15. Championship points tighten up, Tomac and Marvin and Ken get a ton more motivation and confidence and they come out swinging and the last rounds because they honestly believe they have a shot at this...all the pressure gets to webb and one of them win the title.

My point is that the ramifications of this accident could be far more than just the small amount of time he gained in that corner.

Penalize him a position. It’s the right thing to do.

Titan1 wrote:

I think the rule needs to change to if you go off the track you re-enter exactly where you left the track and enter only when...

I think the rule needs to change to if you go off the track you re-enter exactly where you left the track and enter only when it’s safe (rather than re-enter at the next safe place).

Not doing do is 3 position penalty, from the final results.

So lame seeing someone go off the track and pin it down the plywood.

Titan1 wrote:

I think the rule needs to change to if you go off the track you re-enter exactly where you left the track and enter only when...

I think the rule needs to change to if you go off the track you re-enter exactly where you left the track and enter only when it’s safe (rather than re-enter at the next safe place).

Not doing do is 3 position penalty, from the final results.

So lame seeing someone go off the track and pin it down the plywood.

Silas444 wrote:

I think the only real lesson to be learned from this whole episode is that being a Tomac fanboy requires an exceptional amount of cerebral dedication...

I think the only real lesson to be learned from this whole episode is that being a Tomac fanboy requires an exceptional amount of cerebral dedication and emotional commitment. Let me offer some context to prove my point: is there anyone on this site who thinks that if, say, Joey Savatgy, had cross-rutted that same jump and turned his out-of-control stumble into a pass on, say, Justin Hill, anyone would have cared? Allow me to answer my own question: oh, hell no. I dare say no one would have even noticed it, but since Tomac is the guy who got passed AND he got passed by a guy on a KTM who's leading the supercross championship Tomac SHOULD be winning - it's the end of the world as we know it. Ah, love - for so many, it's a long, hard, unforgiving, road.

Silas444 wrote:

I think the only real lesson to be learned from this whole episode is that being a Tomac fanboy requires an exceptional amount of cerebral dedication...

I think the only real lesson to be learned from this whole episode is that being a Tomac fanboy requires an exceptional amount of cerebral dedication and emotional commitment. Let me offer some context to prove my point: is there anyone on this site who thinks that if, say, Joey Savatgy, had cross-rutted that same jump and turned his out-of-control stumble into a pass on, say, Justin Hill, anyone would have cared? Allow me to answer my own question: oh, hell no. I dare say no one would have even noticed it, but since Tomac is the guy who got passed AND he got passed by a guy on a KTM who's leading the supercross championship Tomac SHOULD be winning - it's the end of the world as we know it. Ah, love - for so many, it's a long, hard, unforgiving, road.

GuyB wrote:

Yeah, those are the kind of responses I was expecting.

I used to hate the term Vitard. But if the shoe fits...