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The argument that "the grown ups" have made the decision and they clearly understand this better than you is frustratingly lazy and an obvious example of argumentum ad verecundiam.
People arguing about him gaining an advantage by cutting the track (shortening it) or passing Tomac (as in exiting the track while behind, re-entering while ahead) are also just muddying the water regarding the true advantage he gained; the set up for an epic block-pass. Webb used his off-the-track-I-go-whoopsie-daisy situation to execute a block-pass on Tomac which he could not have executed (at that point in time) without his mishap, and this is ruled okay apparently. On a track that was evidently very hard to make passes on, that is one hell of an advantage to gain I'd say.
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I agree about Kawi not protesting... but it's short-sighted on their part, especially since their number one guy seems like he could be a little head-case-eee... Who's to say he doesn't fall apart if he isn't passed. Lot's of riders re-group and their prerogative should be to fight for every single advantage they can. I know what Larry Brooks would have been doing!
No, what's really pissing you guys off is that Webb immediately started racing again and passed Tomac without pausing, and you think he should have waited until he got some sort of "gentleman's green light" from Tomac. Well, hmmmm - concerned about gentlemanliness are we now? I must have missed that priority when everyone was gushing about Tomac "toying" (Tomac's actual words) with Dungey by trying to take him out multiple times in the final race two years ago. Sheesh, you people.
Funny how "The AMA" will tell you how they have nothing to do with professional racing.
"The AMA no longer runs professional racing. The AMA does, however, sanction AMA amateur racing and recreational events. "
Most of the top riders are running LitPro devices. Why can't their LitPro data have a live upload connection to a Feld/FIM server? Make it mandatory just like a transponder.
The "expert panel" could easily use the readily available software to overlay and break down different segments of that sequence to look at elapsed times, acceleration & deceleration points, and total distance traveled. They could have had an answer, with data, before the main was even over.
Enforcing the rules per the discretion of the expert panel is so archaic. All the data is out there on the track and the technology is readily available to make the decision making process more robust.
Feld & the FIM are making no attempts to bring all the data together to improve the decision making aspect of our sport. It is pathetic that they want to theorize and rule on a rider's "intent", but turn a blind eye to the raw data that is actually available out there on the track.
If a LitPro data server was in place, I believe the data would have shown that Webb traveled ~30% less than Tomac, had similar acceleration/deceleration points, and had an elapsed time through that corner segment several tenths faster.
But without it, yup, it doesn't work in dome stadiums.
Would not be that difficult to transport and setup round to round.
Again...Feld/FIM/AMA making no attempt to use what's readily available.
What's your next excuse?
Pit Row
I think the pass was not a rules violation, it was merely just another case of Webbs good fortune this year. Everything is going his way. He did not make contact or necessarily impede Tomac in a none typical way, he did however distract him and make Tomac think he was going to get tboned. Pretty sure it was very demoralizing to Tomac who has the yips right now. Things are just going right for Webb this year, no other way to look at it.
Barring a DNF or injury its his title bc no one will outright take the title from him this year.
Best part is seeing GuyB go full vitard.
GuyB welcome to vitardem. How's it feel?
In the rule, the grey area is what constitutes an advantage. If that was an advantage, a lot of riders need to rethink their line choices.
The rule doesn't say anything about contact. The rule doesn't say anything about intent. The rule has three stipulations that ignoring will result penalization of riders who leave the track:
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[*]Re-enter at closest safe re-entry point:
(Obviously, blasting through a tuffblock half way through a 180 is not a safe point)
[*]Re-enter safely:
(Flying out of control toward an on-track rider's side plate isn't safe)
[*]Gain no advantage on re-entry:
(He passed in the same corner he re-entered, due to another rider checking up to avoid him. An advantage was gained)
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All the stipulations of penalization are met. None of the rest of the crap mentioned in this thread is even considered in the rulebook.
At least before there was an attempt to hide the subjective nature of the application of rules, but this doesn't even try to do that.
Look, I don't agree with what GuyB said but I respect him and name calling is taking the low road.
The guy literally spends his working hours covering a sport we love, and most of the time it's a thankless job. Even if you disagree, show some respect and be a grown ass man.
But he shouldn't have made the pass, he definitely gained advantage there. Had he landed the jump normally, the tuff blocks (which mark the track) would have prevented him from going that far to the inside.
In theory that is. I don't really blame him though. He just had the most important save of his entire career.
Did Kawasaki or Honda make a claim or something?
This is entertaining, and all you clowns that think a riders intent is relevant in this, or similar cases, are....well....clowns....oh, and hypocrites too, lol.
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