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jackson storm wrote:
So I read thru Bower’s Instagram post. Is it really possible to be hit hard enough to put a hole in the swingarm?
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Yes. I had an 81 CR125R and got hit by an out of control open class guy coming into a turn after a fast straight in...
Yes. I had an 81 CR125R and got hit by an out of control open class guy coming into a turn after a fast straight in a woods race.

I had a hole that looked like an axle bolt head in my swing arm. Neither of us fell.
I've seen a foot peg go straight thru the outer wall of a Honda swing arm. The NW use to have some agro arenaX practice tracks.
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Sachmo831 wrote:
He was going to send it off that berm if barcia wasn't there. Bowers looks stupid trying to argue this
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You’re missing the point completely. Did you even read his post?
That's what he got disqualified for. If he was going for the pass he wouldn't have
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Barcia didn't even hit the ground, he walked away like he was strolling thru the park. No harm no foul and for the record Barcia should be taking hits like that every race with the way he rides. The AMA is stupid, Imop.
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Barcia didn't even hit the ground, he walked away like he was strolling thru the park. No harm no foul and for the record Barcia should...
Barcia didn't even hit the ground, he walked away like he was strolling thru the park. No harm no foul and for the record Barcia should be taking hits like that every race with the way he rides. The AMA is stupid, Imop.
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I think each instance is looked on as a case by case. Does the rider have a history of overly aggressive riding. Has the rider been talked to before about this. Did the rider make a mistake which caused him to be so aggressive on a pass?

Since Bowers has obviously been here before, his actions are going to be dealt with more harshly. Where a first-time offender maybe will get some sort of warning or possibly a fine, unfortunately Bowers has been here too many times before. and it was a blatant take out move, which can easily break someone’s leg.
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Barcia didn't even hit the ground, he walked away like he was strolling thru the park. No harm no foul and for the record Barcia should...
Barcia didn't even hit the ground, he walked away like he was strolling thru the park. No harm no foul and for the record Barcia should be taking hits like that every race with the way he rides. The AMA is stupid, Imop.
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Madmax31 2/18/2019 8:26am
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If multiple riders have complained to "the" official about a certain riders dangerous riding/takeouts that have even resulted in injury and yet nothing has been done...this...
If multiple riders have complained to "the" official about a certain riders dangerous riding/takeouts that have even resulted in injury and yet nothing has been done...this is what happens riders get frustrated and take the discipline into their own hands...We seem to forget that last year Barcia t-boned Bowers that resulted in a broken leg...if that incident was handled properly and dealt with what happened Saturday would not have happened...
.We seem to forget that last year Barcia t-boned Bowers that resulted in a broken leg...if that incident was handled properly and dealt with what happened Saturday would not have happened...

This is all summed up perfectly here. Again the officials are aholes and the reason this happened. How are you a man and not "punch" back?

Barcia even said I guess we are even now. Some of you are such whiny a$$ babies.
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Barcia in his at Vegas he was actually still attempting to turn while giving Bowers a shot.

Bowers on Saturday night didn't attempt to turn, look at his front wheel it was pointed straight and he T-boned Barcia.

Great call AMA.
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alexyz250 2/18/2019 8:27am
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The angle bowers hits barcia is nowhere close to the angle contact is made with martin. And maybe he didnt notice oldenburg actually rode out of it. Never take yourself out too, the arenacross superstar should know this
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Barcia didn't even hit the ground, he walked away like he was strolling thru the park. No harm no foul and for the record Barcia should...
Barcia didn't even hit the ground, he walked away like he was strolling thru the park. No harm no foul and for the record Barcia should be taking hits like that every race with the way he rides. The AMA is stupid, Imop.
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Haha, Manny it's obvious shit right?
Psssst...We don't post like that. The minions like to go on their non-racer uninformed rants without our OG inputs.

Can you imagine these drama queens actually "being there" when Hannah and Howerton were having their "on track" dispute or do ya think ANY of these millenial Crying Room occupiers would have survived a lap with Rocket Rex?

Bye the way...you missed an awesome day at Glen Helen, yesterday...I even had a "two laps on the ground" experience as Palmer's bike and mine were locked together for TWO LAPS! Got last that Moto...then...1st in my second Moto.

T'was a good day.
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HonDawg17 2/18/2019 8:37am
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You can see Oldenburg land too late and come in hot, while going for a pass Oldenburg has -no history of this -no prior warnings -no...
You can see Oldenburg land too late and come in hot, while going for a pass
Oldenburg has
-no history of this
-no prior warnings
-no issues with martin
Bowers was getting passed
-has warnings
-has prior issues
-has issues with barcia(especially going straight for the leg)
Not to mention Alex was left a lot more room, bowers ran barcia and himself off
Oldenburg and most incidents people or bowers bring up are racing incidents for positions and wins which the ama let happen
^This is the best explanation of what happened and why they ruled it this way. Oldenburg came in too hot to stop in the distance to Martins bike and A-Mart's bike did a freak spin around move and he crashed. Bowers has a lot of bar-banging history. And him putting the videos side by side doesn't help his case at all. Clearly you see the difference between an accident from coming into the corner too hot VS accelerating at Barcia's leg without any sign of Bowers turning down to go around the berm. He would've launched into the stands, had Barcia not been there.
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TBOLTUSA 2/18/2019 8:58am
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Mm471 wrote:
You can see Oldenburg land too late and come in hot, while going for a pass Oldenburg has -no history of this -no prior warnings -no...
You can see Oldenburg land too late and come in hot, while going for a pass
Oldenburg has
-no history of this
-no prior warnings
-no issues with martin
Bowers was getting passed
-has warnings
-has prior issues
-has issues with barcia(especially going straight for the leg)
Not to mention Alex was left a lot more room, bowers ran barcia and himself off
Oldenburg and most incidents people or bowers bring up are racing incidents for positions and wins which the ama let happen
This ^^^^

Tyler Bower intentionally Punted Justin Barcia in an intentional retaliation move
and admitted doing so
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Motohead279 2/18/2019 9:04am
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DonM wrote:
If multiple riders have complained to "the" official about a certain riders dangerous riding/takeouts that have even resulted in injury and yet nothing has been done...this...
If multiple riders have complained to "the" official about a certain riders dangerous riding/takeouts that have even resulted in injury and yet nothing has been done...this is what happens riders get frustrated and take the discipline into their own hands...We seem to forget that last year Barcia t-boned Bowers that resulted in a broken leg...if that incident was handled properly and dealt with what happened Saturday would not have happened...
Madmax31 wrote:
.We seem to forget that last year Barcia t-boned Bowers that resulted in a broken leg...if that incident was handled properly and dealt with what happened...
.We seem to forget that last year Barcia t-boned Bowers that resulted in a broken leg...if that incident was handled properly and dealt with what happened Saturday would not have happened...

This is all summed up perfectly here. Again the officials are aholes and the reason this happened. How are you a man and not "punch" back?

Barcia even said I guess we are even now. Some of you are such whiny a$$ babies.
Watch the video replay of Barcia’s pass attempt on Bowyers, Barcia is at least making an attempt to turn, while Bowyers is starting to turn down.

Bowyers move last night he didn’t even try to turn.

Big difference.
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bents 2/18/2019 9:41am
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DonM wrote:
Too many people are blinded by their dislike of Bowers and not seeing/understanding the true issue...Gallagher has had a history of poor decisions, biased and emotional/angry...
Too many people are blinded by their dislike of Bowers and not seeing/understanding the true issue...Gallagher has had a history of poor decisions, biased and emotional/angry behavior that should not be a part of what an official does. In the past he had too much singular power...just ask Reed what he thinks...It’s time to have a committee/council to make these calls and they as a group decide the fate/penalties...pretty simple.
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No don we see the issue with Jon.... and it may be inconsistent. But should all pros t bone the shit out of everyone? Especially 5...
No don we see the issue with Jon.... and it may be inconsistent. But should all pros t bone the shit out of everyone? Especially 5 days literally after saying they are trying to make racing a safer sport? He is completely out of line from the bowers I heard on Monday. I think blaming Jon is ridiculous and bowers the badass knows he fucked up.
DonM wrote:
If multiple riders have complained to "the" official about a certain riders dangerous riding/takeouts that have even resulted in injury and yet nothing has been done...this...
If multiple riders have complained to "the" official about a certain riders dangerous riding/takeouts that have even resulted in injury and yet nothing has been done...this is what happens riders get frustrated and take the discipline into their own hands...We seem to forget that last year Barcia t-boned Bowers that resulted in a broken leg...if that incident was handled properly and dealt with what happened Saturday would not have happened...
DonM has the most common sense in this thread. The inconsistencies are ridiculous and he also referenced Whitlock and he was a cowboy too. Bowers response is spot on regardless of his past actions and there needs to be a more independent body or group that looks at this stuff without having the same level of skin in the game, as the OEM's for example. Decide the matter after the event, unless there was a physical altercation involved a la Anderson or Peick. If you hit someone, you are done for the night with a hefty fine. As Mark Twain once said, "In order to punish less often, punish more severely." Set the standard, punish consistently, and viola, very few problems. But going off half cocked without finding out the whole story and pulling the DQ card is NOT the way a professional organization should work, by one guy. There are SO many examples of much worse, yet they have all been celebrated by people in here and promoted in the media to attract people to their events, I mean come on.
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kalebutler 2/18/2019 9:45am
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bents wrote:
DonM has the most common sense in this thread. The inconsistencies are ridiculous and he also referenced Whitlock and he was a cowboy too. Bowers response...
DonM has the most common sense in this thread. The inconsistencies are ridiculous and he also referenced Whitlock and he was a cowboy too. Bowers response is spot on regardless of his past actions and there needs to be a more independent body or group that looks at this stuff without having the same level of skin in the game, as the OEM's for example. Decide the matter after the event, unless there was a physical altercation involved a la Anderson or Peick. If you hit someone, you are done for the night with a hefty fine. As Mark Twain once said, "In order to punish less often, punish more severely." Set the standard, punish consistently, and viola, very few problems. But going off half cocked without finding out the whole story and pulling the DQ card is NOT the way a professional organization should work, by one guy. There are SO many examples of much worse, yet they have all been celebrated by people in here and promoted in the media to attract people to their events, I mean come on.
What are the example of so much worse
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Psssst...We don't post like that. The minions like to go on their non-racer uninformed rants without our OG inputs. Can you imagine these drama queens actually...
Psssst...We don't post like that. The minions like to go on their non-racer uninformed rants without our OG inputs.

Can you imagine these drama queens actually "being there" when Hannah and Howerton were having their "on track" dispute or do ya think ANY of these millenial Crying Room occupiers would have survived a lap with Rocket Rex?

Bye the way...you missed an awesome day at Glen Helen, yesterday...I even had a "two laps on the ground" experience as Palmer's bike and mine were locked together for TWO LAPS! Got last that Moto...then...1st in my second Moto.

T'was a good day.
Are you trying to talk down on us? Or just using all kinds of “in the know” lingo that is supposed to offend? What’s a Rocket Rex? Is he some kind of takeout artist? Does not take a pile of skill to aim at a front wheel.

Two aggressive guys got together, one got the shit end of the stick. He also broke the most common takeout rule....don’t takeout yourself in the process, D’oh. He also shot himself in the foot by lobbying for cleaner riding, then taking someone out, blatantly, a few days later.

I do not agree with the DQ, but I certainly see where the AMA is coming from.
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Sachmo831 wrote:
The point is he made no attempt to turn. The ama can't stand by and watch blatant takouts. Most riders will atleast turn the bars and...
The point is he made no attempt to turn. The ama can't stand by and watch blatant takouts. Most riders will atleast turn the bars and give the illusion of it being "aggressive racing"
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Windham - DV12... Bowers move didn't even compare. Where was that disqualification?
was it Alessi/Tickle bad? I don't remember what happened to the 800 in that T bone !!! But I bet the swingarm remembers

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TeamGreen wrote:
Psssst...We don't post like that. The minions like to go on their non-racer uninformed rants without our OG inputs. Can you imagine these drama queens actually...
Psssst...We don't post like that. The minions like to go on their non-racer uninformed rants without our OG inputs.

Can you imagine these drama queens actually "being there" when Hannah and Howerton were having their "on track" dispute or do ya think ANY of these millenial Crying Room occupiers would have survived a lap with Rocket Rex?

Bye the way...you missed an awesome day at Glen Helen, yesterday...I even had a "two laps on the ground" experience as Palmer's bike and mine were locked together for TWO LAPS! Got last that Moto...then...1st in my second Moto.

T'was a good day.
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Are you trying to talk down on us? Or just using all kinds of “in the know” lingo that is supposed to offend? What’s a Rocket...
Are you trying to talk down on us? Or just using all kinds of “in the know” lingo that is supposed to offend? What’s a Rocket Rex? Is he some kind of takeout artist? Does not take a pile of skill to aim at a front wheel.

Two aggressive guys got together, one got the shit end of the stick. He also broke the most common takeout rule....don’t takeout yourself in the process, D’oh. He also shot himself in the foot by lobbying for cleaner riding, then taking someone out, blatantly, a few days later.

I do not agree with the DQ, but I certainly see where the AMA is coming from.
Seems that way doesn’t it? I’ve only been riding and racing for 25 years. Must not be enough experience to warrant an opinion since it differs from theirs Laughing
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Rocket Rex was a hardass back in the old days, not even fair to have his name mentioned along side Bowers.
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Show871 2/18/2019 10:34am
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The difference was it was retaliation not a rough pass attempt (sorry have not read whole thread I am sure it has been already said). Bowers lost me as a fan for sure what a douche he thinks he is on a pedestal and he is definitely not.

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Wahhhhhh. I want the 2 minutes of my life back it took me to read that. I've heard him say more times than I care to...
Wahhhhhh. I want the 2 minutes of my life back it took me to read that. I've heard him say more times than I care to remember "I'm 200#'s". Who gives a shit? He thinks he's some sort of a badass ass. Truth is, he's always smashed fools like that circus show demolition derby arenacross and he's irrelevant. Loves to hear himself talk.
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Exactly !!! I'm 215# who gives a shit....to me that makes him look even more ridiculous trying to pounce on guys that are 150# lol. It...
Exactly !!! I'm 215# who gives a shit....to me that makes him look even more ridiculous trying to pounce on guys that are 150# lol. It seems like concentrating on racing instead of being lobbyist would be in his best interest.
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bents wrote:
DonM has the most common sense in this thread. The inconsistencies are ridiculous and he also referenced Whitlock and he was a cowboy too. Bowers response...
DonM has the most common sense in this thread. The inconsistencies are ridiculous and he also referenced Whitlock and he was a cowboy too. Bowers response is spot on regardless of his past actions and there needs to be a more independent body or group that looks at this stuff without having the same level of skin in the game, as the OEM's for example. Decide the matter after the event, unless there was a physical altercation involved a la Anderson or Peick. If you hit someone, you are done for the night with a hefty fine. As Mark Twain once said, "In order to punish less often, punish more severely." Set the standard, punish consistently, and viola, very few problems. But going off half cocked without finding out the whole story and pulling the DQ card is NOT the way a professional organization should work, by one guy. There are SO many examples of much worse, yet they have all been celebrated by people in here and promoted in the media to attract people to their events, I mean come on.
kalebutler wrote:
What are the example of so much worse
Alessi vsTickle, Reed vs Canard, Musquin vs Tomac, Tomac vs Wilson, Craig vs A-Mart, Friese vs The field....All with inconsistent rulings by one individual....and there are many more that the cameras didn't catch...
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jackson storm wrote:
So I read thru Bower’s Instagram post. Is it really possible to be hit hard enough to put a hole in the swingarm?
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Yes. I had an 81 CR125R and got hit by an out of control open class guy coming into a turn after a fast straight in...
Yes. I had an 81 CR125R and got hit by an out of control open class guy coming into a turn after a fast straight in a woods race.

I had a hole that looked like an axle bolt head in my swing arm. Neither of us fell.
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I've seen a foot peg go straight thru the outer wall of a Honda swing arm. The NW use to have some agro arenaX practice tracks.
YES!had a hole in a cr250 from somebody's rear axle end.
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BR8ES wrote:
It's the bigger picture and historical nastiness of this dope...that is the difference. Apples to oranges example too by the way. Nice detective work though, I...
It's the bigger picture and historical nastiness of this dope...that is the difference. Apples to oranges example too by the way. Nice detective work though, I will give you that.
I'm not comparing the the two incidents. I was pointing out your thought process of "what comes around goes around" in moto. You're all for it if it's one of your favorite riders but you have a gripe with Bowers so you say that's not how it works in moto.

You also lack consistency.
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JB 19 2/18/2019 11:13am
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gabrielito wrote:
Feld sent a message by DQ'ng Bowers. Their message had nothing to do with aggressive riding and everything to do with speaking out against them.
Someone is finally reading between the lines .
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I remember seeing some youtube videos in the past of an arenacross racer on a Kawi that would intentionally take people out during races. It was so over the top I couldnt believe what I was seeing. Just blatant takeouts and nobody ever did anything about it. I cant seem to find it now, but was that Bowers?
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bents 2/18/2019 11:15am
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DonM has the most common sense in this thread. The inconsistencies are ridiculous and he also referenced Whitlock and he was a cowboy too. Bowers response...
DonM has the most common sense in this thread. The inconsistencies are ridiculous and he also referenced Whitlock and he was a cowboy too. Bowers response is spot on regardless of his past actions and there needs to be a more independent body or group that looks at this stuff without having the same level of skin in the game, as the OEM's for example. Decide the matter after the event, unless there was a physical altercation involved a la Anderson or Peick. If you hit someone, you are done for the night with a hefty fine. As Mark Twain once said, "In order to punish less often, punish more severely." Set the standard, punish consistently, and viola, very few problems. But going off half cocked without finding out the whole story and pulling the DQ card is NOT the way a professional organization should work, by one guy. There are SO many examples of much worse, yet they have all been celebrated by people in here and promoted in the media to attract people to their events, I mean come on.
kalebutler wrote:
What are the example of so much worse
DonM wrote:
Alessi vsTickle, Reed vs Canard, Musquin vs Tomac, Tomac vs Wilson, Craig vs A-Mart, Friese vs The field....All with inconsistent rulings by one individual....and there are...
Alessi vsTickle, Reed vs Canard, Musquin vs Tomac, Tomac vs Wilson, Craig vs A-Mart, Friese vs The field....All with inconsistent rulings by one individual....and there are many more that the cameras didn't catch...
Tomac vs Webb, Anderson vs Musquin, Windham vs DV....how far do you want to go back? There have been several historical references already in this thread. Too many examples and most are glorified, I get it. There is a history of this from the beginning of the sport and it has never been ruled with any consistency. Many have been far more brutal than Bowers on Barcia and Barcia has been part of those too as the instigator.
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BR8ES 2/18/2019 11:19am
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BR8ES wrote:
It's the bigger picture and historical nastiness of this dope...that is the difference. Apples to oranges example too by the way. Nice detective work though, I...
It's the bigger picture and historical nastiness of this dope...that is the difference. Apples to oranges example too by the way. Nice detective work though, I will give you that.
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I'm not comparing the the two incidents. I was pointing out your thought process of "what comes around goes around" in moto. You're all for it...
I'm not comparing the the two incidents. I was pointing out your thought process of "what comes around goes around" in moto. You're all for it if it's one of your favorite riders but you have a gripe with Bowers so you say that's not how it works in moto.

You also lack consistency.
how is there a lack of consistency when they are two completely different examples? You pointed out nothing but a bad example. You compared the two by using the example you gave...spin it another way if you like. edit- I would have called it the same if it was anybody else, try harder. Cannot compare a racing move to a blatant takeout no matter the offender.
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