Bad news on Alta

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11/2/2018 1:28pm
We were led to believe there was either a deal in the works or it was already done but the announcement hasn't been made. Michael's post...
We were led to believe there was either a deal in the works or it was already done but the announcement hasn't been made. Michael's post makes it seem like that was not true.
Who said there was a deal in the works? Some rando on a message board?
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11/2/2018 1:34pm
We were led to believe there was either a deal in the works or it was already done but the announcement hasn't been made. Michael's post...
We were led to believe there was either a deal in the works or it was already done but the announcement hasn't been made. Michael's post makes it seem like that was not true.
early wrote:
Who said there was a deal in the works? Some rando on a message board?
Exactly....

Working for a company that has been bought and sold a few times (by private equity/ to public/ back to private) the process can take months....there are many moving pieces to an acquisition.

It is very encouraging to hear there is interest..
11/2/2018 2:00pm
early wrote:
Who said there was a deal in the works? Some rando on a message board?
Not some rando. A few top names at Alta chimed in on the altaowners forums with some hints that things were happening. That's all.
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11/2/2018 4:26pm
early wrote:
Who said there was a deal in the works? Some rando on a message board?
Not some rando. A few top names at Alta chimed in on the altaowners forums with some hints that things were happening. That's all.
I mean just because someone is doing research that doesn't mean there isn't a potential deal in place right? Maybe they just want to scope things out in case the current deal falls through?

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11/6/2018 5:25am
Looks like there has been an update from Alta. This isn't official but this is what has been posted on the AltaOwners forums:

"Although Alta has ceased operations, there is still an opportunity that the company and it's assets will be purchased and resume operations. Unfortunately the chances of that happening are not high. In the short term, a slim team has been assembled to help with the wind down and this team will be able to ship some parts to dealers. If you need parts or think you might need parts for your Redshifts, act quickly! Reach out to your dealers and ask them to order parts for you ASAP. Not all parts are available - batteries for example - but the team will do their best to fill orders from dealers if they can. Thanks for all your support.

Stay Fast."
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11/6/2018 6:20am
Looks like there has been an update from Alta. This isn't official but this is what has been posted on the AltaOwners forums: "Although Alta has...
Looks like there has been an update from Alta. This isn't official but this is what has been posted on the AltaOwners forums:

"Although Alta has ceased operations, there is still an opportunity that the company and it's assets will be purchased and resume operations. Unfortunately the chances of that happening are not high. In the short term, a slim team has been assembled to help with the wind down and this team will be able to ship some parts to dealers. If you need parts or think you might need parts for your Redshifts, act quickly! Reach out to your dealers and ask them to order parts for you ASAP. Not all parts are available - batteries for example - but the team will do their best to fill orders from dealers if they can. Thanks for all your support.

Stay Fast."
That’s a bummer..
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11/6/2018 6:39am
Bad news. Did the guys that bought them just get soaked on what the bikes are now worth? I have a couple of vintage bikes I do not ride because of no parts availability. Not sure if it helps or hurts their value.
11/6/2018 6:44am
Looks like there has been an update from Alta. This isn't official but this is what has been posted on the AltaOwners forums: "Although Alta has...
Looks like there has been an update from Alta. This isn't official but this is what has been posted on the AltaOwners forums:

"Although Alta has ceased operations, there is still an opportunity that the company and it's assets will be purchased and resume operations. Unfortunately the chances of that happening are not high. In the short term, a slim team has been assembled to help with the wind down and this team will be able to ship some parts to dealers. If you need parts or think you might need parts for your Redshifts, act quickly! Reach out to your dealers and ask them to order parts for you ASAP. Not all parts are available - batteries for example - but the team will do their best to fill orders from dealers if they can. Thanks for all your support.

Stay Fast."
Damn, that's not the news I was expecting.
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11/6/2018 7:14am
Ouch, if you bought one of these recently thats the worst news. No parts and I doubt a big enough market for a third party to produce them.
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11/6/2018 7:59am
Bad news. Did the guys that bought them just get soaked on what the bikes are now worth? I have a couple of vintage bikes I...
Bad news. Did the guys that bought them just get soaked on what the bikes are now worth? I have a couple of vintage bikes I do not ride because of no parts availability. Not sure if it helps or hurts their value.
Parts are available for anything if you have a lathe/mill.
Not much on the alta that you couldn't buy elsewhere. My biggest concern would be the transmission gears. Doubt those are off the shelf, and gears are expensive to make. Only wear part on the motor is the bearings.
Battery should be rebuild able for those brave enough. WP suspension.
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11/6/2018 8:13am Edited Date/Time 11/6/2018 8:15am
Bad news. Did the guys that bought them just get soaked on what the bikes are now worth? I have a couple of vintage bikes I...
Bad news. Did the guys that bought them just get soaked on what the bikes are now worth? I have a couple of vintage bikes I do not ride because of no parts availability. Not sure if it helps or hurts their value.
colintrax wrote:
Parts are available for anything if you have a lathe/mill. Not much on the alta that you couldn't buy elsewhere. My biggest concern would be the...
Parts are available for anything if you have a lathe/mill.
Not much on the alta that you couldn't buy elsewhere. My biggest concern would be the transmission gears. Doubt those are off the shelf, and gears are expensive to make. Only wear part on the motor is the bearings.
Battery should be rebuild able for those brave enough. WP suspension.
Can you build a battery using your mill?

Can you heat treat on your lathe???

Stamping?

injection molding?
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11/6/2018 8:20am
I have to remain optimistic. I just have to. What other choice do we, the owners of an Alta have? Sell it? That is an option. Is it a good one, I don't know. The prices of machines have to tank. Who wants an unsupported hi-tech dirt bike?

Especially that mine was delivered to me a couple days before their announcement. I have not even rode mine yet. At least I have a brand new, high-tech, pretty damn bitchen paperweight that I might be able to weld with...


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11/6/2018 8:22am
Bad news. Did the guys that bought them just get soaked on what the bikes are now worth? I have a couple of vintage bikes I...
Bad news. Did the guys that bought them just get soaked on what the bikes are now worth? I have a couple of vintage bikes I do not ride because of no parts availability. Not sure if it helps or hurts their value.
colintrax wrote:
Parts are available for anything if you have a lathe/mill. Not much on the alta that you couldn't buy elsewhere. My biggest concern would be the...
Parts are available for anything if you have a lathe/mill.
Not much on the alta that you couldn't buy elsewhere. My biggest concern would be the transmission gears. Doubt those are off the shelf, and gears are expensive to make. Only wear part on the motor is the bearings.
Battery should be rebuild able for those brave enough. WP suspension.
mx_563 wrote:
Can you build a battery using your mill?

Can you heat treat on your lathe???

Stamping?

injection molding?
Battery case? Yes. Cells? I'd buy them.
Who the fuck cant heat treat but owns machining tools?
What part HAS to be stamped?
What needs to be injection molded that you cant buy off the shelf? Maybe the back fender set up.
Point being, 1 bad crash isnt gonna turn Altas into a parts bin for others.
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11/6/2018 8:25am
colintrax wrote:
Battery case? Yes. Cells? I'd buy them. Who the fuck cant heat treat but owns machining tools? What part HAS to be stamped? What needs to...
Battery case? Yes. Cells? I'd buy them.
Who the fuck cant heat treat but owns machining tools?
What part HAS to be stamped?
What needs to be injection molded that you cant buy off the shelf? Maybe the back fender set up.
Point being, 1 bad crash isnt gonna turn Altas into a parts bin for others.
All plastics, including the subframe, are Alta specific, except for the front fender and front number plate.
11/6/2018 8:33am
All plastics, including the subframe, are Alta specific, except for the front fender and front number plate.
And the fork guards.

From what I was told, Acerbis supplies the plastic to Alta. So there should be a supplier for that.
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11/6/2018 8:50am
Whymee wrote:
I have to remain optimistic. I just have to. What other choice do we, the owners of an Alta have? Sell it? That is an option...
I have to remain optimistic. I just have to. What other choice do we, the owners of an Alta have? Sell it? That is an option. Is it a good one, I don't know. The prices of machines have to tank. Who wants an unsupported hi-tech dirt bike?

Especially that mine was delivered to me a couple days before their announcement. I have not even rode mine yet. At least I have a brand new, high-tech, pretty damn bitchen paperweight that I might be able to weld with...


What a beauty!
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11/6/2018 9:22am
I can't imagine how boring electric motocross would be. I would completely lose interest. I guess I am lucky that I lived in the sliver of time in history when the internal combustion engine was legal. Since I love two-strokes I'm already a walking motocross anachronism.
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colintrax wrote:
Battery case? Yes. Cells? I'd buy them. Who the fuck cant heat treat but owns machining tools? What part HAS to be stamped? What needs to...
Battery case? Yes. Cells? I'd buy them.
Who the fuck cant heat treat but owns machining tools?
What part HAS to be stamped?
What needs to be injection molded that you cant buy off the shelf? Maybe the back fender set up.
Point being, 1 bad crash isnt gonna turn Altas into a parts bin for others.
I'm sure the battery cells aren't proprietary or anything. Probably can pick some up at Radio Shack.

And the battery case....it's not big or anything so I'm sure you can just start with a billet piece, chuck it up and start hogging it out.

Ooops....your throttle controller just took a dump. It's potted/sealed fly-by-wire and chock full of electronic wizzardry. Throw some billet on the mill....

The battery management module fried. Chuck up some billet.....

Firmware glitch. Ooops.

wiring harnesses...?

shroud busted in a crash....Hmmm.....

circuit cards....???

Busted a tooth on an internal motor gear....you have broaches to cut gears right? Who doesn't? Pop it in the furnace (oh that's right, you need a furnace) and then drop in some oil like those Forged in Fire guys. Rockwell hardness? Come on, who doesn't have a harndess tester????

Like you said....ALL you need is a mill/lathe. That's it. Nothing else. Can make ANY part.....

Laughing

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11/6/2018 9:39am
If anyone wants to sell me their unridden, orphaned paperweight MXR for a fire sale price, PM me. True story.
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11/6/2018 9:39am
Whymee wrote:
I have to remain optimistic. I just have to. What other choice do we, the owners of an Alta have? Sell it? That is an option...
I have to remain optimistic. I just have to. What other choice do we, the owners of an Alta have? Sell it? That is an option. Is it a good one, I don't know. The prices of machines have to tank. Who wants an unsupported hi-tech dirt bike?

Especially that mine was delivered to me a couple days before their announcement. I have not even rode mine yet. At least I have a brand new, high-tech, pretty damn bitchen paperweight that I might be able to weld with...


Stunning bike! The gold looks awesome, and the Ohlins are bound to rock! You could send it to the crusher or just give it to me? Just go ride it like you stole it!

Seriously, as you know there are few parts that cannot be sourced or repaired, and there is already a network developing at the owners forum to work around no support with some high (higher?) tech solutions. These things are being developed in spite of the company closing the factory, just like in the hot rod days by high tech savvy owners. With a budget like yours you'll be fine. This is not a Cannondale. No one wanted to keep them because they sucked.
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11/6/2018 9:49am
Whymee wrote:
I have to remain optimistic. I just have to. What other choice do we, the owners of an Alta have? Sell it? That is an option...
I have to remain optimistic. I just have to. What other choice do we, the owners of an Alta have? Sell it? That is an option. Is it a good one, I don't know. The prices of machines have to tank. Who wants an unsupported hi-tech dirt bike?

Especially that mine was delivered to me a couple days before their announcement. I have not even rode mine yet. At least I have a brand new, high-tech, pretty damn bitchen paperweight that I might be able to weld with...


peltier626 wrote:
What a beauty!
Yep, best looking Alta I've seen so far. Damn shame about no one stepping up yet. That tech has to be able to be used in a lot of things other than just a dirt bike.
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11/6/2018 9:57am
colintrax wrote:
Battery case? Yes. Cells? I'd buy them. Who the fuck cant heat treat but owns machining tools? What part HAS to be stamped? What needs to...
Battery case? Yes. Cells? I'd buy them.
Who the fuck cant heat treat but owns machining tools?
What part HAS to be stamped?
What needs to be injection molded that you cant buy off the shelf? Maybe the back fender set up.
Point being, 1 bad crash isnt gonna turn Altas into a parts bin for others.
mx_563 wrote:
I'm sure the battery cells aren't proprietary or anything. Probably can pick some up at Radio Shack. And the battery case....it's not big or anything so...
I'm sure the battery cells aren't proprietary or anything. Probably can pick some up at Radio Shack.

And the battery case....it's not big or anything so I'm sure you can just start with a billet piece, chuck it up and start hogging it out.

Ooops....your throttle controller just took a dump. It's potted/sealed fly-by-wire and chock full of electronic wizzardry. Throw some billet on the mill....

The battery management module fried. Chuck up some billet.....

Firmware glitch. Ooops.

wiring harnesses...?

shroud busted in a crash....Hmmm.....

circuit cards....???

Busted a tooth on an internal motor gear....you have broaches to cut gears right? Who doesn't? Pop it in the furnace (oh that's right, you need a furnace) and then drop in some oil like those Forged in Fire guys. Rockwell hardness? Come on, who doesn't have a harndess tester????

Like you said....ALL you need is a mill/lathe. That's it. Nothing else. Can make ANY part.....

Laughing

To be fair, all those EV battery cells are off the shelf. They all buy cells from a manufacture and put them in series/parallel configuration for their pack requirements (not sure about Alta, but A123 and Panasonic are really common. I beleive LG Chem is too).

The idea that anyone can just do that type of work and maintain a bike that way is absurd, for the average consumer though.
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11/6/2018 9:57am
Stunning bike! The gold looks awesome, and the Ohlins are bound to rock! You could send it to the crusher or just give it to me...
Stunning bike! The gold looks awesome, and the Ohlins are bound to rock! You could send it to the crusher or just give it to me? Just go ride it like you stole it!

Seriously, as you know there are few parts that cannot be sourced or repaired, and there is already a network developing at the owners forum to work around no support with some high (higher?) tech solutions. These things are being developed in spite of the company closing the factory, just like in the hot rod days by high tech savvy owners. With a budget like yours you'll be fine. This is not a Cannondale. No one wanted to keep them because they sucked.
Because they sucked...lol. They had sooooo much potential going in, but screwed that project into the ground.
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11/6/2018 10:03am Edited Date/Time 11/6/2018 10:10am
The ROI must be minimal for a potential buyer of the brand. How long before the lenders move in, and put it up for a fire sale price ? With such small numbers of units sold, other than for the love of the bike, the notion of any aftermarket parts network does not seem viable.

I could see the China industry reverse engineering those things soon.

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11/6/2018 10:30am
The bike is so good, I just wish more people could ride a demo bike. Even without the suspension done it is my favorite bike.
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11/6/2018 11:10am
I think they are NOT extra bikes in production

That was their issue - slow to produce.
Dealer in my area wished he could buy more - just werebt available
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11/6/2018 11:19am
mx_563 wrote:
I'm sure the battery cells aren't proprietary or anything. Probably can pick some up at Radio Shack. And the battery case....it's not big or anything so...
I'm sure the battery cells aren't proprietary or anything. Probably can pick some up at Radio Shack.

And the battery case....it's not big or anything so I'm sure you can just start with a billet piece, chuck it up and start hogging it out.

Ooops....your throttle controller just took a dump. It's potted/sealed fly-by-wire and chock full of electronic wizzardry. Throw some billet on the mill....

The battery management module fried. Chuck up some billet.....

Firmware glitch. Ooops.

wiring harnesses...?

shroud busted in a crash....Hmmm.....

circuit cards....???

Busted a tooth on an internal motor gear....you have broaches to cut gears right? Who doesn't? Pop it in the furnace (oh that's right, you need a furnace) and then drop in some oil like those Forged in Fire guys. Rockwell hardness? Come on, who doesn't have a harndess tester????

Like you said....ALL you need is a mill/lathe. That's it. Nothing else. Can make ANY part.....

Laughing

You seem to be missing my point. I wasnt saying every alta owner can step out in their garage and rebuild it easy peasy. What I'm saying is they arent suddenly paper weights that cant be fixed.

Batteries these days all use common cells. Pretty sure you can buy the cells alta uses. When was the last time you saw someone break a case? But yeah, if need be you could machine/cast a new one. Just be ready to drop the cash if you cant do it yourself.

Electronics can be fixed, even potted stuff. Just gotta find the right guy willing to give it a go, and the experience to not fuck it up.

Plastics will be available aftermarket, you can buy plastics for bikes that ain't been sold in 10 years. Alta plastics will be around for a minute.

Like I said, gears are gonna be about the worst. Those ain't off the shelf far as I know, and they ain't cheap to make. Being a wear part, they will have to be replaced at some point. None the less, a machine shop can handle it.

I gotta get to work now, but feel to keep trying to claim Altas are useless now. If you want, I'll buy yours Smile I mean its worthless right?
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11/6/2018 11:22am
How long do you think any remaining secret technology will remain secret when proprietary vendors don't get paid? About 10 minutes. The Chinese already have e bike controller stuff you can by for around three fiddy.Tongue

As they say, it ain't rocket science. It's more like a science project.


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