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iBobbyb wrote:
yall are wierd as fuck.. why support guys that just get in the way and ruin the actual race while there getting lapped and just rolling...
yall are wierd as fuck.. why support guys that just get in the way and ruin the actual race while there getting lapped and just rolling around... if your 10+ seconds a lap slower wtf is the point? so you can stroke your ego and say you lined up with guys that youll never compare too? thats fulfilling dreams? its like a C guy thinking hes hot shit cuz he raced the A class.

and speaking of sports teams never have a chance at winning. what a joke. lmao.. ALL NFL teams have a shot at winning the super bowl. and most teams have... no team starts the season with everyone knowing for a fact they dont have any chance.. even the browns had some hype to start the year with all their new players... but half the gate we know for a fact couldnt win a single race, even with a 30 second head start. shit a lot of them would even be lucky to score a damn point...


Bobby Boy... Im sorry to put this straight forward to you, but your an idiot.

Weston Peick was once that " just get in the way and ruin the actual race while there getting lapped and just rolling around" guy... Turns out racing them faster people and putting in the effort worked for him.

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10/21/2018 4:15pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2018 4:25pm
matze wrote:
I know its offseason but cmon, threads are getting worse every day. Make it stop pls
X2

And Op, in case you haven't noticed, mx and sx ARE separate.

Not sure what "new idea" you are pitching here.

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You cant compare the NFL, NBA, or MLB to MX or SX. One is a team sport where the act of winning or losing us based on the performance of many compared to MX where its one guy against the field. The NFL, etc,,,,adjust every year to with trades, free agent, signings, and the draft while its always going to be that one guy in MX and SX.

It is a shame, but theres only 3 or 4 riders out there with a legit shot at the title and i'm being generous. If no injuries take place throughout the season, even that number drops.
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There’s a reason those guys getting lapped can qualify and I can’t: They’re fast enough and the rest of us aren’t. How fast the riders outside of the top 10 are is a product of the depth of the talent pool - a pool that is hard to crack. Anyone who wants to retire is entitled to do so. So those that are left compete. Don’t like it? Why should anyone care? There’s levels to every game, and that’s just a brute fact. There are only a few elites in a sport. If the 20th place rider was as fast as Tomac, then he wouldn’t be so elite, would he? I like watching riders who are so ungodly talented that they make otherwise awesome riders look slow. I take that as a compliment to the elite more so than as a slight to the rest.

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iBobbyb wrote:
they do get rid of plenty of players??? so wtf are you talking about?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
I mean before the season starts. By OP's standard they should get rid of teams and players since they don't stand a chance. Why bother competing...
I mean before the season starts. By OP's standard they should get rid of teams and players since they don't stand a chance. Why bother competing in all those games?

Limit the teams to a maximum of 6 with all the best players. That's the thinking OP has. "Because everyone should have a chance at winning."
iBobbyb wrote:
they do cuts during the preseason. change players during the season. trades. etc. lots of players are gotten rid of because they dont stand a chance...
they do cuts during the preseason. change players during the season. trades. etc. lots of players are gotten rid of because they dont stand a chance.. the best comparison here would be Quarterbacks. if a team thinks they cant win a superbowl with their quaterback they get rid of him.

but the biggest difference here is the fact that in racing when your way slower than the top guys, you end up in the way which can cause lots of different problems.. i mean how often do you hear them on the podium complaining about lappers. why are we punishing the very best? so guys who just flat out arent at the same level as the top guys can get some weird ego boost? seriously.. how is it a good thing to punish the very top guys? please explain.
Reading comprehension is not your thing and it shows.

I'm not talking about pre-season. I'm talking about getting rid of/eliminating entire teams from the league. Instead of having 32 teams in the NFL, just have 6 with all the best players in the entire organisation.

Why? Because OP's thinking is that he just wants those that stand a chance at winning to be part of professional sports because the other one's are useless or get in the way of other riders.

I'm just using the NFL and the number of teams (6) as an example.

If you can't understand that, hire a tutor and repeat grade school.
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Team sports isn't a great comparable to MX/SX since that's an individual sport.

Let's take golf for example. They pretty much all make money and that's a fact but how many of them can actually win a round or a tournament?

Again, according to OP's way of thinking the PGA should revoke thousands of PGA cards and just keep the top 20 players "because everyone should have a chance at winning."

According to him and his ideology that would somehow make golf better.

OP is an idiot. Please move this thread to the Dumbgeon where it belongs.

I'm sure watching SX/MX with 5 guys on the gate that stand a chance at winning is better than having a full gate. Get real man.
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10/21/2018 6:27pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
I mean before the season starts. By OP's standard they should get rid of teams and players since they don't stand a chance. Why bother competing...
I mean before the season starts. By OP's standard they should get rid of teams and players since they don't stand a chance. Why bother competing in all those games?

Limit the teams to a maximum of 6 with all the best players. That's the thinking OP has. "Because everyone should have a chance at winning."
iBobbyb wrote:
they do cuts during the preseason. change players during the season. trades. etc. lots of players are gotten rid of because they dont stand a chance...
they do cuts during the preseason. change players during the season. trades. etc. lots of players are gotten rid of because they dont stand a chance.. the best comparison here would be Quarterbacks. if a team thinks they cant win a superbowl with their quaterback they get rid of him.

but the biggest difference here is the fact that in racing when your way slower than the top guys, you end up in the way which can cause lots of different problems.. i mean how often do you hear them on the podium complaining about lappers. why are we punishing the very best? so guys who just flat out arent at the same level as the top guys can get some weird ego boost? seriously.. how is it a good thing to punish the very top guys? please explain.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Reading comprehension is not your thing and it shows. I'm not talking about pre-season. I'm talking about getting rid of/eliminating entire teams from the league. Instead...
Reading comprehension is not your thing and it shows.

I'm not talking about pre-season. I'm talking about getting rid of/eliminating entire teams from the league. Instead of having 32 teams in the NFL, just have 6 with all the best players in the entire organisation.

Why? Because OP's thinking is that he just wants those that stand a chance at winning to be part of professional sports because the other one's are useless or get in the way of other riders.

I'm just using the NFL and the number of teams (6) as an example.

If you can't understand that, hire a tutor and repeat grade school.
I think you should go back and read original post. He didn’t say people should be kicked out because they don’t have a chance to win. He is suggesting the Dungey’s and RV’s may and should stay longer as they have a better chance of being competitive despite their “advanced” age. OP even makes a suggestion on how riders could extend their careers.

Somehow this conversation went to kicking loppers out instead of original thought of guys staying longer which would make the field more competitive
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10/21/2018 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2018 7:39pm
Hey there Bobby big balls, you don't race do you?
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Frank wrote:
Even the Raiders will win 1 game each year.
Which is about the equivalent of making a main event or 2 per season... your point? Seems as if you just made everyone else's to me. I think you should look into things like the #tidepodchallenge it likely better suits you
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10/22/2018 12:57am
iBobbyb wrote:
they do cuts during the preseason. change players during the season. trades. etc. lots of players are gotten rid of because they dont stand a chance...
they do cuts during the preseason. change players during the season. trades. etc. lots of players are gotten rid of because they dont stand a chance.. the best comparison here would be Quarterbacks. if a team thinks they cant win a superbowl with their quaterback they get rid of him.

but the biggest difference here is the fact that in racing when your way slower than the top guys, you end up in the way which can cause lots of different problems.. i mean how often do you hear them on the podium complaining about lappers. why are we punishing the very best? so guys who just flat out arent at the same level as the top guys can get some weird ego boost? seriously.. how is it a good thing to punish the very top guys? please explain.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Reading comprehension is not your thing and it shows. I'm not talking about pre-season. I'm talking about getting rid of/eliminating entire teams from the league. Instead...
Reading comprehension is not your thing and it shows.

I'm not talking about pre-season. I'm talking about getting rid of/eliminating entire teams from the league. Instead of having 32 teams in the NFL, just have 6 with all the best players in the entire organisation.

Why? Because OP's thinking is that he just wants those that stand a chance at winning to be part of professional sports because the other one's are useless or get in the way of other riders.

I'm just using the NFL and the number of teams (6) as an example.

If you can't understand that, hire a tutor and repeat grade school.
DV-67 wrote:
I think you should go back and read original post. He didn’t say people should be kicked out because they don’t have a chance to win...
I think you should go back and read original post. He didn’t say people should be kicked out because they don’t have a chance to win. He is suggesting the Dungey’s and RV’s may and should stay longer as they have a better chance of being competitive despite their “advanced” age. OP even makes a suggestion on how riders could extend their careers.

Somehow this conversation went to kicking loppers out instead of original thought of guys staying longer which would make the field more competitive
OP is Frank.

3rd post on the first page.
10/22/2018 1:21am
I'm just wondering how anyone can use the GP's as an example of the entire field being capable of winning. I mean every MXGP class win this year was split among three riders with one of them having one win and another having seventeen wins. The MX2 class isn't much better with only four winners, two of which only won one race.
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Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
Gandorlf wrote:
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to...
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

The thing is tho that 30 of the dudes behind the gates in AMA and 10-15 in the mxgp shouldnt be there because they are not Good enough.
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Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
Gandorlf wrote:
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to...
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

Rs444 wrote:
The thing is tho that 30 of the dudes behind the gates in AMA and 10-15 in the mxgp shouldnt be there because they are not...
The thing is tho that 30 of the dudes behind the gates in AMA and 10-15 in the mxgp shouldnt be there because they are not Good enough.
So what is the solution Einstein?
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10/22/2018 5:57am
Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
Man it's not all about that "winning" thing. There aren't 20 guys that can win in any country in their respective series. I've heard tons of guys that don't race saying that if they're not there to win then why do it? Hell it's the love of competition and trying to better yourself and get paid....if every racer had that attitude we wouldn't have 20 guys to hit the gate period.
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This Frank guy is turning out to be a real jagoff...
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Gandorlf wrote:
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to...
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

Rs444 wrote:
The thing is tho that 30 of the dudes behind the gates in AMA and 10-15 in the mxgp shouldnt be there because they are not...
The thing is tho that 30 of the dudes behind the gates in AMA and 10-15 in the mxgp shouldnt be there because they are not Good enough.
Ewan49 wrote:
So what is the solution Einstein?
Exactly what I was wondering. Are a dozen or so elite riders going to pass through a membrane from another dimension? Where do people think these riders come from?
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Team sports isn't a great comparable to MX/SX since that's an individual sport. Let's take golf for example. They pretty much all make money and that's...
Team sports isn't a great comparable to MX/SX since that's an individual sport.

Let's take golf for example. They pretty much all make money and that's a fact but how many of them can actually win a round or a tournament?

Again, according to OP's way of thinking the PGA should revoke thousands of PGA cards and just keep the top 20 players "because everyone should have a chance at winning."

According to him and his ideology that would somehow make golf better.

OP is an idiot. Please move this thread to the Dumbgeon where it belongs.

I'm sure watching SX/MX with 5 guys on the gate that stand a chance at winning is better than having a full gate. Get real man.
Golf is another horrible example. Here is the official world Golf rankings. Click the name of each of the top 50 guys and then look at the bottom for their best finishes. All of them have won some tournaments against each other and professional competition.

http://www.owgr.com/ranking

MX and SX remains one of the most (if not the) lopsided sports in existence. The talent pool or field is so shallow currently (and has been for some time now) that you only have a couple guys who are legit title hopes. Look at the MX point standings last year. Nicoletti, Bloss, and Peick finished 6th, 7th, and 8th. Those guys have no shot of winning an overall moto yet a title. Barcia and Bagget finished 4th and 5th and they have no title shots either. They might win an occasional moto here and there when the stars align right, but an overall title,,,,,,no. Just keeps getting bleaker the further down the list you go.
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The sport is narly, and they don't want to risk it when they don't have too. Pretty simple.
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Frank wrote:
Even the Raiders will win 1 game each year.
Lapper (as you call them) may win the LCQ.
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10/22/2018 8:18am
Gandorlf wrote:
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to...
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

Rs444 wrote:
The thing is tho that 30 of the dudes behind the gates in AMA and 10-15 in the mxgp shouldnt be there because they are not...
The thing is tho that 30 of the dudes behind the gates in AMA and 10-15 in the mxgp shouldnt be there because they are not Good enough.
Ewan49 wrote:
So what is the solution Einstein?
The solution is the same as f1 uses and use some type of 107% rule or whatever number works out well. Cant run within 107% of a lap of fastest rider you cant be in the event at all.

Massive skill level/speed differences are dangerous. That type of rule eliminates the massively slower guys from being out there and being in the way.
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10/22/2018 8:40am Edited Date/Time 10/22/2018 8:47am
yz133rider wrote:
The solution is the same as f1 uses and use some type of 107% rule or whatever number works out well. Cant run within 107% of...
The solution is the same as f1 uses and use some type of 107% rule or whatever number works out well. Cant run within 107% of a lap of fastest rider you cant be in the event at all.

Massive skill level/speed differences are dangerous. That type of rule eliminates the massively slower guys from being out there and being in the way.
But even if you used 107% there would still be plenty of lappers. If you tightened it lower, say 105%, you run a very real risk of having 10 riders on the gate for a main event.

The fact is that riders are having to qualify to get on the gate for the main so any formula you come up with is going to eliminate riders that otherwise would have been on the gate.

If they really wanted to tighten the racing take away the ridiculous advantage the teams have with $10k suspension components and bring back a workable claiming rule with a streamlined process.

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yz133rider wrote:
The solution is the same as f1 uses and use some type of 107% rule or whatever number works out well. Cant run within 107% of...
The solution is the same as f1 uses and use some type of 107% rule or whatever number works out well. Cant run within 107% of a lap of fastest rider you cant be in the event at all.

Massive skill level/speed differences are dangerous. That type of rule eliminates the massively slower guys from being out there and being in the way.
JustMX wrote:
But even if you used 107% there would still be plenty of lappers. If you tightened it lower, say 105%, you run a very real risk...
But even if you used 107% there would still be plenty of lappers. If you tightened it lower, say 105%, you run a very real risk of having 10 riders on the gate for a main event.

The fact is that riders are having to qualify to get on the gate for the main so any formula you come up with is going to eliminate riders that otherwise would have been on the gate.

If they really wanted to tighten the racing take away the ridiculous advantage the teams have with $10k suspension components and bring back a workable claiming rule with a streamlined process.

Lappers sure, but wont have guys 15 seconds off the pace in a 50 second lap time anymore....
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Gandorlf wrote:
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to...
It is a professional sport where everyone has a chance of winning. I don't know why you would think that certain riders are only allowed to win. This isn't a movie script.

newmann wrote:
Not a movie script? Guess you missed the MEC? Laughing





Whistling
Nope I watched MEC haha, damn it that one slipped my mind there.
10/22/2018 3:20pm
matze wrote:
I know its offseason but cmon, threads are getting worse every day. Make it stop pls
-MAVERICK- wrote:
2 1/2 month to go until Supercross. Sadly, get used to it.
i think the problem is the OP, not the off season.
10/22/2018 3:31pm
tkitna80 wrote:
Golf is another horrible example. Here is the official world Golf rankings. Click the name of each of the top 50 guys and then look at...
Golf is another horrible example. Here is the official world Golf rankings. Click the name of each of the top 50 guys and then look at the bottom for their best finishes. All of them have won some tournaments against each other and professional competition.

http://www.owgr.com/ranking

MX and SX remains one of the most (if not the) lopsided sports in existence. The talent pool or field is so shallow currently (and has been for some time now) that you only have a couple guys who are legit title hopes. Look at the MX point standings last year. Nicoletti, Bloss, and Peick finished 6th, 7th, and 8th. Those guys have no shot of winning an overall moto yet a title. Barcia and Bagget finished 4th and 5th and they have no title shots either. They might win an occasional moto here and there when the stars align right, but an overall title,,,,,,no. Just keeps getting bleaker the further down the list you go.
Let's all try to think a little before posting. If every guy at a pro MX or SX race was making the same money as Tomac and had the same support and resources available, the talent gap would be much smaller. How is this even a conversation? No way Frank and his buddy RS444 are really this dense? This place is getting worse by the day. I wonder how many of these fucking trolls have ever even raced a dirt bike, much less at a somewhat high level.
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10/22/2018 3:42pm
Gandorlf wrote:
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire...
These "lappers" you so highly speak of are normal dudes like me and you trying to make a living. If Dungey, Villopoto etc want to retire then let them, be glad the SX and MX gates are full and not missing about 25 riders like in the GP's!
Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
omalley wrote:
It is a grassroots, participant niche sport and you should be thankful. The minute any sport goes mainstream, the soul is sucked out of it by...
It is a grassroots, participant niche sport and you should be thankful. The minute any sport goes mainstream, the soul is sucked out of it by everyone wanting a piece of the $$$. Pretty soon you end up with NASCAR, etc, etc. Once-great sports get watered down into mainstream bullshit.

One of the things I like about moto is that it’s like a big middle finger to most of society whose greatest excitement is a second cup of coffee with their Sunday paper.
I am going to politely disagree. I don't see how a sport that gets played in a huge, sold out domed stadium all over the country, is considered grassroots. SX/MX is sponsored and funded by huge multinational conglomerates. SX especially is as much of a Show as it is good racing.This is not grassroots. It is a entertainment vehicle used to sell bikes, sports drinks, insurance, tires, clothes, etc....That is not grassroots. The sport of Curling, Archery, Cross country Skiing, Trap and Skeet shooting, Trials riding, Endurocross, Rock Crawling, Mud Bogging, now those are what I would consider grassroots sports.

If you doubt what I am saying just watch any, and I mean any podium interview from the last 5-10 seasons of SX/MX Nationals, that my friend is as corporate and sold out as any stick and ball sport there is.
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Frank wrote:
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad...
I'm sorry. I thought this should be a professional sport where "all" 20 riders on the gate had a chance of winning the event. My bad. How many riders do the GP's have on the gates?
There's no possible way you are this stupid
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tkitna80 wrote:
Golf is another horrible example. Here is the official world Golf rankings. Click the name of each of the top 50 guys and then look at...
Golf is another horrible example. Here is the official world Golf rankings. Click the name of each of the top 50 guys and then look at the bottom for their best finishes. All of them have won some tournaments against each other and professional competition.

http://www.owgr.com/ranking

MX and SX remains one of the most (if not the) lopsided sports in existence. The talent pool or field is so shallow currently (and has been for some time now) that you only have a couple guys who are legit title hopes. Look at the MX point standings last year. Nicoletti, Bloss, and Peick finished 6th, 7th, and 8th. Those guys have no shot of winning an overall moto yet a title. Barcia and Bagget finished 4th and 5th and they have no title shots either. They might win an occasional moto here and there when the stars align right, but an overall title,,,,,,no. Just keeps getting bleaker the further down the list you go.
Let's all try to think a little before posting. If every guy at a pro MX or SX race was making the same money as Tomac...
Let's all try to think a little before posting. If every guy at a pro MX or SX race was making the same money as Tomac and had the same support and resources available, the talent gap would be much smaller. How is this even a conversation? No way Frank and his buddy RS444 are really this dense? This place is getting worse by the day. I wonder how many of these fucking trolls have ever even raced a dirt bike, much less at a somewhat high level.
BS. Tomac is getting paid that much and receiving that support with those kind of resources because he's earned them for being a better rider than the rest of the field. A rider like Cole Seely, or Grant, or even Barcia has the same support and resources as Tomac but they arent legitimate title riders. Put every rider on the same bike on the same gate and the same guys are going to win. No amount of money, resources, or support is going to make up for lack of heart, determination, and talent.
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10/23/2018 2:58am Edited Date/Time 10/23/2018 3:04am
tkitna80 wrote:
BS. Tomac is getting paid that much and receiving that support with those kind of resources because he's earned them for being a better rider than...
BS. Tomac is getting paid that much and receiving that support with those kind of resources because he's earned them for being a better rider than the rest of the field. A rider like Cole Seely, or Grant, or even Barcia has the same support and resources as Tomac but they arent legitimate title riders. Put every rider on the same bike on the same gate and the same guys are going to win. No amount of money, resources, or support is going to make up for lack of heart, determination, and talent.
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10/23/2018 3:03am
tkitna80 wrote:
BS. Tomac is getting paid that much and receiving that support with those kind of resources because he's earned them for being a better rider than...
BS. Tomac is getting paid that much and receiving that support with those kind of resources because he's earned them for being a better rider than the rest of the field. A rider like Cole Seely, or Grant, or even Barcia has the same support and resources as Tomac but they arent legitimate title riders. Put every rider on the same bike on the same gate and the same guys are going to win. No amount of money, resources, or support is going to make up for lack of heart, determination, and talent.
Where did I say that Tomac is not the best and doesn’t deserve it? Where did I say that the other riders would be title contenders if they had more money and support? I simply said that there would be less of a gap from the front of the field to the back of the field. There’s guys that finish in the top 20 who work full-time jobs and can’t dedicate their life fully to racing. Back to third grade for a little reading comprehension you go.
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