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Fonzarelli 10/14/2018 5:20am
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MEC is an exhibition for publicity, has nothing to do with a real race.
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fullysicmate 10/14/2018 5:29am
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Who cares. The top 5 euros could have came from last to first while holding a cup of tea. Tomac is shit at least we all know it now.
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MxKing809 10/14/2018 5:34am
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In Eli’s post race interview he was asked about the pass on Joey and he completely dodged what she asked him about. Then when Joey was...
In Eli’s post race interview he was asked about the pass on Joey and he completely dodged what she asked him about. Then when Joey was interviewed he was never asked. Have to think Monster advised the media to back off. During the race Ralph & Fro both we’re talking about it and then we’re hushed quickly it seemed. I don’t see a problem with it. Yes Joey had nothing to gain and Eli did. Would Eli have made the pass anyway? Likely. The racing was great in all classes and I can’t wait for next years event! Braaap!
This.

Ralph and Jeff called a spade a spade when it happened and were blown away. Then at the checkers you could tell what they were saying was tounge in cheek. “What a great pass by Tomac for the win.....” etc

I bet they got marching orders quickly after it went down.
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JM485 wrote:
Wow, I made this thread as a joke, I can’t believe people are so worked up over this.:laugh: It’s an off season race that accounts for...
Wow, I made this thread as a joke, I can’t believe people are so worked up over this.Laughing It’s an off season race that accounts for nothing, get a grip people holy hell. . .
GangGreen wrote:
But there still needs to be rules..........Honestly, Tomac and Savagty should have been DQed from final Main Event. Also, the Insurance Company probably has "fixed" stipulations...
But there still needs to be rules..........Honestly, Tomac and Savagty should have been DQed from final Main Event. Also, the Insurance Company probably has "fixed" stipulations in their contract regarding paying the million.


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Isn’t the MEC held under its own rules?
It has to be sanctioned for insurance purposes, which makes it AMA, which automatically makes it FIM.

As for the rules, they can do what they want, but the track and all the other stuff has to be sanctioned.

This is a $1.9m fraud. If you were on the hook for it , would you be wanting to pay?
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Fourth_Floor 10/14/2018 5:59am
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Some of you guys are legitimately shit human beings.
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philG wrote:
It has to be sanctioned for insurance purposes, which makes it AMA, which automatically makes it FIM. As for the rules, they can do what they...
It has to be sanctioned for insurance purposes, which makes it AMA, which automatically makes it FIM.

As for the rules, they can do what they want, but the track and all the other stuff has to be sanctioned.

This is a $1.9m fraud. If you were on the hook for it , would you be wanting to pay?
You do realize that MEC is really just a 3.5 hour long commercial for Monster Energy products. If you look at the price of commercial advertising between the hours of 6:00pm to 9:30pm you will see that 1.9 million is indeed a bargain.
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KMC440 10/14/2018 6:36am
10/14/2018 6:36am Edited Date/Time 10/14/2018 6:37am
Talked to Joey ...

"...no man my clutch was super tight and ya know arm pump and all ... I was barely holdin on in that long main"

True storyWhistling

Talk to a guy named Bottas about being punked out of wins.
Tru Dat
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redneckmotox 10/14/2018 6:53am
10/14/2018 6:53am
Eli was coming and if Joey fought back, he was more than likely gonna get punted into the tough blocks. It's not like this is part of the supercross season, this is just for money and bragging. Eli had the chance to win alot of money and Joey was just trying to show he could ride and he made that clear. Dont blame him 1 bit for moving over
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fullysicmate wrote:
Who cares. The top 5 euros could have came from last to first while holding a cup of tea. Tomac is shit at least we all...
Who cares. The top 5 euros could have came from last to first while holding a cup of tea. Tomac is shit at least we all know it now.
Keep fishing bro
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MinnesotaMX704 10/14/2018 7:02am
10/14/2018 7:02am
I’d like to tell you all about a guy named Bob.

Bob understands MEC is a one off event with no championship implications. Bob would’ve liked to see a last turn pass for the million, but he understands Joey has nothing to gain by agitating his new teammate after an already impressive ride. Bob embraces MEC for what it is, is stoked for the million dollar fan, and is excited for the real racing to start in January.

Be like Bob.
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Bauer 10/14/2018 7:08am
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I would not be surprised if Monster self-insured for this bonus.
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milliebays 10/14/2018 7:16am
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it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum. all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost...
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum.

all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost out. noone else was going to collect any more money. savage will be taken care of for missing the moto win.

if it makes you feel any better, 25% percent of it will be collected by the feds to prop up inefficient social programs!
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Practicing your copy and paste skills? You better add this comment to a few more threads just to make sure you don’t forget how it’s done.
CTRL + V on a script. Spreading the wealth like my man Savage
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CozMan 10/14/2018 7:30am
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GuyB wrote:
Holy cow, what a whole bunch of whiners.
NorCal 50+ wrote:
This sport continues to blow me away. I mean, how much more of an industry shill could you be to hate on the people that support...
This sport continues to blow me away. I mean, how much more of an industry shill could you be to hate on the people that support your site when they complain about big corporations throwing races so you guys can go sell your photos and rack up your web site hits. You want fans or customers, Guy B. It's a cynical as shit attitude. Have a good evening.
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I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading. For the people whining about Joey, consider this. How many people would...
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading.

For the people whining about Joey, consider this.

How many people would have hated on him if he hadn't pulled over? More? Less? I'm guessing it would have been about the same. It was a no-win situation for him...even if he had won. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the pits who'd argue with what he did.

I think the result would have likely been the same, even if Joey had kept up his pace.

What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have cheered his hard-charging attitude? I find that pretty unlikely.

Eli came from way back. If he'd been third or worse on the track? I'd say it's fair game for Joey to win it. But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no confusion. Allegedly.

As for being a "corporate shill"? Hey have you got a second?
so did you two hug it out? (referring to your "Hey, have you got a second?" remark). Hate to say it GuyB, but he ain't the first guy to tire of the way you express your opinions toward YOUR CUSTOMERS.

As to the opinion, I tend to agree with our friend NorCal. What you (and some others) fail to recognize is that motocross is one of the rare sports where there are no team tactics. It's man vs. EVERYONE. That's part of the reason why we love it. So yes, throwing the race in the next to last turn so your buddy can win goes against everything that we love about the sport. If ET3 punts Savatgy in the last turn, then good for him. But to pull over (and have the announcers literally laughing at the duo) then a whole helluva lot of us have our jaws hanging agape. The only guy that was rooting for it was the dude that won the $1m. Oh, and ET3. I think that this sets an extremely dangerous precedent for our sport as managers figure out that they could have their 8th place rider "accidentally" take out a series leader while he's coming through the pack....and you better believe there are few team managers thinking about this right now over a cup of coffee.

I wish you'd delegate some of the forum moderation to someone else for your own benefit.
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jorgechavez 10/14/2018 7:36am
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CozMan wrote:
so did you two hug it out? (referring to your "Hey, have you got a second?" remark). Hate to say it GuyB, but he ain't the...
so did you two hug it out? (referring to your "Hey, have you got a second?" remark). Hate to say it GuyB, but he ain't the first guy to tire of the way you express your opinions toward YOUR CUSTOMERS.

As to the opinion, I tend to agree with our friend NorCal. What you (and some others) fail to recognize is that motocross is one of the rare sports where there are no team tactics. It's man vs. EVERYONE. That's part of the reason why we love it. So yes, throwing the race in the next to last turn so your buddy can win goes against everything that we love about the sport. If ET3 punts Savatgy in the last turn, then good for him. But to pull over (and have the announcers literally laughing at the duo) then a whole helluva lot of us have our jaws hanging agape. The only guy that was rooting for it was the dude that won the $1m. Oh, and ET3. I think that this sets an extremely dangerous precedent for our sport as managers figure out that they could have their 8th place rider "accidentally" take out a series leader while he's coming through the pack....and you better believe there are few team managers thinking about this right now over a cup of coffee.

I wish you'd delegate some of the forum moderation to someone else for your own benefit.
I stopped reading when you said "motocross is one of the rare sports where there are no team tactics". That statement is just untrue and shows you don't really follow the sport.

Also in what way are we GuyB's customers?
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wfopete 10/14/2018 7:41am
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"The Greatest Team Move in the History of Supercross"

I think Kawasaki will sell a lot of KX450's this year.
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Did someone get clicked?
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tempura 10/14/2018 7:52am
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*Eli won*
Oh the irony of his asterisk comment
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Did someone get clicked?
Probably, or the lame time out punishment

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KMC440 10/14/2018 7:58am
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newmann wrote:
Did someone get clicked?
Click'em all let MOD sort'em out !!

Pretty good just made that up Tongue
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karsmakers 10/14/2018 8:01am
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Hey Eli, don't worry about all the haters on here. You were the fastest..won the million and blessed a fan with a million. Not bad for a race that has little meaning other than the entertainment value. Haters hate and whiners whine..
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GuyB wrote:
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading. For the people whining about Joey, consider this. How many people would...
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading.

For the people whining about Joey, consider this.

How many people would have hated on him if he hadn't pulled over? More? Less? I'm guessing it would have been about the same. It was a no-win situation for him...even if he had won. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the pits who'd argue with what he did.

I think the result would have likely been the same, even if Joey had kept up his pace.

What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have cheered his hard-charging attitude? I find that pretty unlikely.

Eli came from way back. If he'd been third or worse on the track? I'd say it's fair game for Joey to win it. But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no confusion. Allegedly.

As for being a "corporate shill"? Hey have you got a second?
“What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have cheered his hard-charging attitude? I find that pretty unlikely.”

If I was a member of his team , it would have impressed the hell out of me . I would be thinking that here is a guy who wants to win at all costs and doesn’t give a fuck about anything else . Personally , I like that in a competitor . But that’s just me . I guess to some people , being a corporate shill is the most important part of being a racer . Shill on GuyB ... you have your orders ...
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FeetUp 10/14/2018 8:32am
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A lot of good input here.... If Steve could get Hannah on the phone, maybe he could clear it up from the point of someone that has been there.
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63mark 10/14/2018 8:39am
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To be honest, for all sake. Eli could have offered 5 riders a hundred grand to let him win. And still walk away with 5 times as much as when he would have lost the last race and had to settle with 100.000..... Just saying.
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JM485 10/14/2018 8:40am
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JM485 wrote:
Wow, I made this thread as a joke, I can’t believe people are so worked up over this.:laugh: It’s an off season race that accounts for...
Wow, I made this thread as a joke, I can’t believe people are so worked up over this.Laughing It’s an off season race that accounts for nothing, get a grip people holy hell. . .
GangGreen wrote:
But there still needs to be rules..........Honestly, Tomac and Savagty should have been DQed from final Main Event. Also, the Insurance Company probably has "fixed" stipulations...
But there still needs to be rules..........Honestly, Tomac and Savagty should have been DQed from final Main Event. Also, the Insurance Company probably has "fixed" stipulations in their contract regarding paying the million.


Or maybe Joey is a rational human being capable of intelligent thought, and was miraculously able to come to the conclusion on his own that it might be a good idea to let Tomac go since he wasn't in the running and two people would win a substantial amount of money at nobody's expense but either a poison dealer or insurance giant. Or is that to crazy of a conspiracy for everyone?
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deluxeman 10/14/2018 8:42am
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FeetUp wrote:
Interesting how different Tomac see's it when the shoe is on the other foot. When Marvin let Dungey by, Tomac couldn't seem to let it go...
Interesting how different Tomac see's it when the shoe is on the other foot.

When Marvin let Dungey by, Tomac couldn't seem to let it go and made smart ass remarks in the press.

milliebays wrote:
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum. all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost...
it's really different because musquin took points from someone. zero sum.

all tomac/savage did was take a little more money from a poison dealer. noone lost out. noone else was going to collect any more money. savage will be taken care of for missing the moto win.

if it makes you feel any better, 25% percent of it will be collected by the feds to prop up inefficient social programs!
Pulling over is pulling over, don’t care if its a local race or for the title. The winner really didn’t win. Dungey knew it when he got the win. So how does Tomac spin this after acting like a pissy little child about this for the last two years?

Also there was no guarantee the Tomac was going to win if 17 didn’t want to let him by.
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63mark 10/14/2018 8:50am
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My guess....

Savatgy thought; "okay I am outside of the stadium, noone will see me, noone will ever notice". Not knowing there were camera's Tongue
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RangerLee 10/14/2018 8:57am
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GuyB wrote:
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading. For the people whining about Joey, consider this. How many people would...
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading.

For the people whining about Joey, consider this.

How many people would have hated on him if he hadn't pulled over? More? Less? I'm guessing it would have been about the same. It was a no-win situation for him...even if he had won. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the pits who'd argue with what he did.

I think the result would have likely been the same, even if Joey had kept up his pace.

What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have cheered his hard-charging attitude? I find that pretty unlikely.

Eli came from way back. If he'd been third or worse on the track? I'd say it's fair game for Joey to win it. But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no confusion. Allegedly.

As for being a "corporate shill"? Hey have you got a second?
Agreed GuyB, but in this thread it seems to be the minority opinion. Fortunately those that are envious or just like to find something to be mad at are the ones making noise. There are so many more that understand the situation and are fine with it, I think they are the majority.
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CozMan 10/14/2018 9:03am
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GuyB wrote:
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading. For the people whining about Joey, consider this. How many people would...
I was having a good evening until I come on here and start reading.

For the people whining about Joey, consider this.

How many people would have hated on him if he hadn't pulled over? More? Less? I'm guessing it would have been about the same. It was a no-win situation for him...even if he had won. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in the pits who'd argue with what he did.

I think the result would have likely been the same, even if Joey had kept up his pace.

What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have cheered his hard-charging attitude? I find that pretty unlikely.

Eli came from way back. If he'd been third or worse on the track? I'd say it's fair game for Joey to win it. But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no confusion. Allegedly.

As for being a "corporate shill"? Hey have you got a second?
lestat wrote:
“What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have...
“What kind of impression would it have made with the team if he'd won that final main, but cost his new teammate $900,000? Would they have cheered his hard-charging attitude? I find that pretty unlikely.”

If I was a member of his team , it would have impressed the hell out of me . I would be thinking that here is a guy who wants to win at all costs and doesn’t give a fuck about anything else . Personally , I like that in a competitor . But that’s just me . I guess to some people , being a corporate shill is the most important part of being a racer . Shill on GuyB ... you have your orders ...
But I'd also guess that there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations before that final main so that there'd be no confusion. Allegedly.

Your admission of this is terrifying for this sport. I have said it in other threads, but you better believe that if managers learn that they can get away with this, you'll see their 8th place rider taking out the points leader (accidentally of course) to help their 2nd place points rider because "there was some discussion about what to do before in various situations".
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PFitzG38 10/14/2018 9:04am
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Savatgy totally ruined the final...
Dry
Agreed, how exciting would the last turn have been if Joey was still in front of Eli with 1mil on the line?!

I think Joey was just starting to have flashbacks and "his body just shut that whole thing down"
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agn5009 10/14/2018 9:58am
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Joey should have just back it sown a little in the sand section. Eli had passed what 3 riders in the sand already. Would not of...
Joey should have just back it sown a little in the sand section. Eli had passed what 3 riders in the sand already. Would not of looked so bad.
Yeah, because Joey knows what's going on behind him. Whistling
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