All these people hanging from Herlings

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10/9/2018 11:29pm
deluxeman wrote:
Listen, Herlings is damn fast on a dirt bike. He would adapt to SX just like everyone else has to adapt. He has great skills, probably...
Listen, Herlings is damn fast on a dirt bike. He would adapt to SX just like everyone else has to adapt. He has great skills, probably better than Tomac and he is a ruthless competitor. Jeff would come over and be up to speed very quickly.

Could Tomac beat him in the US? Sure he could, how many, I couldn't even hazard a guess. They are both fast, Herlings just seems to be ON every race. Tomac is not always ON, as you saw Saturday and Sunday.......and the last two Supercross seasons. Tomac is a great racer, he just has a few holes in his game he needs to fill to be at the level Herlings was at this season.
I agree completely. I don't know if I'd say Jeffrey's skills are greater but he certainly has the added ability to bring it anytime anywhere. I've never seen anyone be so hot and cold as Eli. sure I've seen Carmichael and Stewart have some bad races but those were the most often the funnest to watch because they pinned it and still went for the win. Eli and just about every other rider today seems like if things aren't clicking perfectly they just put it on cruise control and accept getting beat. Its like he isn't able to or won't push it when hes out of his comfort zone.
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Tomac and bagget are my favorite riders tho, mc2 and Larry ward was in the 90's. But to be fair we have been called euro trash by american fans after mxon for ages and americans have been doing just this and determined that the US is better purely on mxon results in the past. Add the fact that Rc was quite quick on judging the gp riders in his day and rv at the start of his career and especially dungey who talked straight up shit about europes mx scene a couple of years back.
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Tomac and bagget are my favorite riders tho, mc2 and Larry ward was in the 90's. But to be fair we have been called euro trash...
Tomac and bagget are my favorite riders tho, mc2 and Larry ward was in the 90's. But to be fair we have been called euro trash by american fans after mxon for ages and americans have been doing just this and determined that the US is better purely on mxon results in the past. Add the fact that Rc was quite quick on judging the gp riders in his day and rv at the start of his career and especially dungey who talked straight up shit about europes mx scene a couple of years back.
Dude get a grip... you come on here after and before mxon and think you know everything. Stop trying to sound smart. Its been 7 years since america won mxon. There's not alot of american bashing on gp riders in here. Really.
I see americans being dissapointed, and praising gp riders. And i see euros talking trash to americans about ama riders like they know how to fucking ride better and what they need to change. Its embarrasing, just stop.
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10/10/2018 12:14am
Can he beat eli or any pro american at sx?
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Do you really want him to try...? Silly
There’s no reason one of the most gifted riders of a generation couldn’t reach a decent level given the same time and resources as everyone else.

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10/10/2018 3:39am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2018 3:40am
dude that makes NO sense AT all...

im not sure at what level you stopped education, but its really time you did it yourself...

i can promise you, you are not going to get the better of me in this arguement..

think of youself as plessinger and me as lawrence..at the mxdn just a few days ago...

do you remember that?

(thats not to say ap wont beat hl in the future)

but you'll never beat me....



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roninho wrote:
The point is that Herlings clearly is the best rider in MXGP this year, winning 17 of the 19 GP's he raced. Since the best US...
The point is that Herlings clearly is the best rider in MXGP this year, winning 17 of the 19 GP's he raced. Since the best US and AMA riders didnt have shit for the GP riders this weekend the conclusion is that this year the level was higher in mxgp, and with him being the king of MXGP he can be the FMOTP for outdoors in 2018. Coldenhoff finishing ahead of Herlings in 1 of 50+ motos they raced together this year doesnt make Coldenhoff the FMOTP. But you knew that yourself as well.
Huckster wrote:
Your point is exactly what's wrong. You use 1 race to determine the FMOTP in the Tomac v Herlings battle, yet you want to use the...
Your point is exactly what's wrong. You use 1 race to determine the FMOTP in the Tomac v Herlings battle, yet you want to use the whole GP season to say Herlings is better than Coldenhoff. You can't have it both ways. Coldenhoff straight up beat Helings but he is not better than him but Herlings beating Tomac at the same race and yes, it proves he is better. That is really flawed logic! One race proves nothing. Anstie and Searle stunk when they were over here and raced the Nationals but they beat our three riders on Sunday. AP owned Ferrandis all year but not on Sunday. Anything can happen in one race on any track. Herlings was clearly better than Tomac on Sunday but Coldenhoff was much better than Herlings. Those are the facts.
You don't have to use 1 race to determine Herlings as the best guy. Herlings and Tomac have lined up against each other in 8 separate Moto's in the past two seasons, all of which have been on US soil, and Herlings has beaten Tomac in 7 of them. It's over bro, it's not even close. Herlings is the best rider on the planet right now. Whether he won the last race or not on Sunday, Team NED was getting a 1-2 finish. If it was a rider from a different nation leading I'm very confident the outcome would have been different.
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roninho wrote:
The point is that Herlings clearly is the best rider in MXGP this year, winning 17 of the 19 GP's he raced. Since the best US...
The point is that Herlings clearly is the best rider in MXGP this year, winning 17 of the 19 GP's he raced. Since the best US and AMA riders didnt have shit for the GP riders this weekend the conclusion is that this year the level was higher in mxgp, and with him being the king of MXGP he can be the FMOTP for outdoors in 2018. Coldenhoff finishing ahead of Herlings in 1 of 50+ motos they raced together this year doesnt make Coldenhoff the FMOTP. But you knew that yourself as well.
Huckster wrote:
Your point is exactly what's wrong. You use 1 race to determine the FMOTP in the Tomac v Herlings battle, yet you want to use the...
Your point is exactly what's wrong. You use 1 race to determine the FMOTP in the Tomac v Herlings battle, yet you want to use the whole GP season to say Herlings is better than Coldenhoff. You can't have it both ways. Coldenhoff straight up beat Helings but he is not better than him but Herlings beating Tomac at the same race and yes, it proves he is better. That is really flawed logic! One race proves nothing. Anstie and Searle stunk when they were over here and raced the Nationals but they beat our three riders on Sunday. AP owned Ferrandis all year but not on Sunday. Anything can happen in one race on any track. Herlings was clearly better than Tomac on Sunday but Coldenhoff was much better than Herlings. Those are the facts.
RG1 wrote:
You don't have to use 1 race to determine Herlings as the best guy. Herlings and Tomac have lined up against each other in 8 separate...
You don't have to use 1 race to determine Herlings as the best guy. Herlings and Tomac have lined up against each other in 8 separate Moto's in the past two seasons, all of which have been on US soil, and Herlings has beaten Tomac in 7 of them. It's over bro, it's not even close. Herlings is the best rider on the planet right now. Whether he won the last race or not on Sunday, Team NED was getting a 1-2 finish. If it was a rider from a different nation leading I'm very confident the outcome would have been different.
Again, like most, you have serious reading comprehension problems.
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10/10/2018 6:48am
Dude stop lying, you don't like Euro riders. stop using I agree with you but I don't tactic, your ego is so hurt by what happened on the weekend.
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10/10/2018 9:16am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2018 9:19am
keep going ...damn good fun Laughing Laughing Laughing
you make a total fool of yourself , but you dont even realize it
youre 52 , hate Herlings like a little kid hates his teacher and your comments are real highlights ...
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10/10/2018 9:30am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2018 9:31am
15-20 years old...I’d like to be that age again.
Time stops for no one, that’s why I won’t be wasting anymore of it with the troll.
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keep going ...damn good fun :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: you make a total fool of yourself , but you dont even realize it youre 52 , hate...
keep going ...damn good fun Laughing Laughing Laughing
you make a total fool of yourself , but you dont even realize it
youre 52 , hate Herlings like a little kid hates his teacher and your comments are real highlights ...
For a guy who is 52, you’re sure making a fool of yourself. Little Jeffy? Name calling? That’s a page right out of trumps book. Are you sure you’re 52 and that’s not your iq?
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10/10/2018 11:46am Edited Date/Time 10/10/2018 11:47am
In the meantime while we have only been bitching Jeffrey is allready on the bike again....


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You guys realize the OP hasn't replied once since this all started, right?
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Go to 8:14 sec and listen to Herlings interview. He actually states and makes my point for those that can't comprehend.

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10/11/2018 3:49am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2018 3:52am
Racer331 wrote:
Nuts... you really think a mud race has any validity? Tomac got terrible starts, plain and simple. Im not saying he was faster then Herlings, those...
Nuts... you really think a mud race has any validity? Tomac got terrible starts, plain and simple. Im not saying he was faster then Herlings, those guys are great in the mud, but to make it sound like the race was at glen helen under Sunny skies is ridiculous.
Mark my words, because clearly some of you didn’t watch the nationals this year, If Herlings raced over here, Tomac would spank him several times. I’m sure Herlings would do it to him too, but when I read over and over about how Herlings is the greatest thing ever and Tomac is shit, it’s infuriating. No one on this planet could compete with him when he goes into his beast mode in the second half of the motos.

Plus, I’d love to see Herlings try to race Supercross.... ? can he even jump a triple? He would be captain LCQ for a long time if he even had the balls to do supercross.
This must take the award for the biggest sore loser in the history of the Sport!! We all know Tomac is a bad arse on a...
This must take the award for the biggest sore loser in the history of the Sport!!

We all know Tomac is a bad arse on a bike. One of the fastest guys on the planet but Herlings seems to keep proving he is faster.

But the USA got their arse fuckn handed too them. Plain and simple.


As for Supercross , yes Tomac would smoke him but we are not talking SX are we!

How arrogant was it to even get beer printed up with USA MxON Champs! Fuck sake.
Perhaps Team USA could send a case of that Mxdn champions beer to all the poor fans who still can't understand what happened at Red Bud last weekend?Wink Blush
It would make a great participation consolation prize!
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Racer331 wrote:
Nuts... you really think a mud race has any validity? Tomac got terrible starts, plain and simple. Im not saying he was faster then Herlings, those...
Nuts... you really think a mud race has any validity? Tomac got terrible starts, plain and simple. Im not saying he was faster then Herlings, those guys are great in the mud, but to make it sound like the race was at glen helen under Sunny skies is ridiculous.
Mark my words, because clearly some of you didn’t watch the nationals this year, If Herlings raced over here, Tomac would spank him several times. I’m sure Herlings would do it to him too, but when I read over and over about how Herlings is the greatest thing ever and Tomac is shit, it’s infuriating. No one on this planet could compete with him when he goes into his beast mode in the second half of the motos.

Plus, I’d love to see Herlings try to race Supercross.... ? can he even jump a triple? He would be captain LCQ for a long time if he even had the balls to do supercross.
I remember when Americans were badass and no so full of excuses, now look at us, pathetic really.

This post is everything that is wrong with America today, this is what happens when you get participation trophies.
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Actually up here in Canada a trump is what we teach our kids to say instead of fart.
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10/11/2018 7:22am
Rs444 wrote:
I agree that his statement was a bit childish but all of us europeans have been bashed by the americans since the fucking 80s saying our...
I agree that his statement was a bit childish but all of us europeans have been bashed by the americans since the fucking 80s saying our riders are shit and so on so im not loosing any sleep about it.
And the same with Europeans bashing USA so give it up already.
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10/11/2018 7:52am
UpTiTe wrote:
I remember when Americans were badass and no so full of excuses, now look at us, pathetic really. This post is everything that is wrong with...
I remember when Americans were badass and no so full of excuses, now look at us, pathetic really.

This post is everything that is wrong with America today, this is what happens when you get participation trophies.
Exactly this. Our culture has become so insufferably entitled. We didn't win because we weren't the best. Plain and simple. And maybe instead of fighting failure, we should embrace it as a wake-up call. We need to improve, not whine and moan about Monster Cup or sand or whatever.
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10/11/2018 8:38am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2018 8:40am
I can’t believe you’re 52 and acting like a 13 year old on here ??
Like seriously you’re the same age as my old man, if I caught him on fourms acting like you are I’d have to have a word with him.
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10/11/2018 9:18am
RG1 wrote:
You don't have to use 1 race to determine Herlings as the best guy. Herlings and Tomac have lined up against each other in 8 separate...
You don't have to use 1 race to determine Herlings as the best guy. Herlings and Tomac have lined up against each other in 8 separate Moto's in the past two seasons, all of which have been on US soil, and Herlings has beaten Tomac in 7 of them. It's over bro, it's not even close. Herlings is the best rider on the planet right now. Whether he won the last race or not on Sunday, Team NED was getting a 1-2 finish. If it was a rider from a different nation leading I'm very confident the outcome would have been different.
Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ...

1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 5th): Tomac won the holeshot but intentionally allowed Herlings to pass on the first lap. Tomac was cruising to secure the championship.

2. Ironman '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 6th): Same as above, minus the holeshot.

3. USGP '17, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 12th): It was only qualifying. Tomac was sizing up the field.

4. USGP '17, first moto (Tomac 1st, Herlings 2nd): The real Tomac. The awe-stricken MXGP riders had no answer for ET3.

5. USGP '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 3rd): Tomac had proven his point in the first moto. No need to push.

6. MXoN '18, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 29th): Tomac would've won had his untested '19 bike not failed.

7. MXoN '18, Race 1 (Herlings 1st, Tomac 4th): The track was rigged by Youthstream to favor European riders. Even so, Tomac would have won had Searle not blocked him lap after lap.

8. MXoN '18, Race 3 (Herlings 2nd, Tomac 7th): Recognizing the futility of challenging the Youthstream-Ritchie Family conspiracy, Tomac decided to save himself for the Monster Energy Cup.

The facts are pretty clear. Huge advantage Tomac.



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Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ... 1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac...
Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ...

1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 5th): Tomac won the holeshot but intentionally allowed Herlings to pass on the first lap. Tomac was cruising to secure the championship.

2. Ironman '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 6th): Same as above, minus the holeshot.

3. USGP '17, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 12th): It was only qualifying. Tomac was sizing up the field.

4. USGP '17, first moto (Tomac 1st, Herlings 2nd): The real Tomac. The awe-stricken MXGP riders had no answer for ET3.

5. USGP '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 3rd): Tomac had proven his point in the first moto. No need to push.

6. MXoN '18, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 29th): Tomac would've won had his untested '19 bike not failed.

7. MXoN '18, Race 1 (Herlings 1st, Tomac 4th): The track was rigged by Youthstream to favor European riders. Even so, Tomac would have won had Searle not blocked him lap after lap.

8. MXoN '18, Race 3 (Herlings 2nd, Tomac 7th): Recognizing the futility of challenging the Youthstream-Ritchie Family conspiracy, Tomac decided to save himself for the Monster Energy Cup.

The facts are pretty clear. Huge advantage Tomac.



That gave me a good laugh. Thanks man
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Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ... 1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac...
Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ...

1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 5th): Tomac won the holeshot but intentionally allowed Herlings to pass on the first lap. Tomac was cruising to secure the championship.

2. Ironman '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 6th): Same as above, minus the holeshot.

3. USGP '17, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 12th): It was only qualifying. Tomac was sizing up the field.

4. USGP '17, first moto (Tomac 1st, Herlings 2nd): The real Tomac. The awe-stricken MXGP riders had no answer for ET3.

5. USGP '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 3rd): Tomac had proven his point in the first moto. No need to push.

6. MXoN '18, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 29th): Tomac would've won had his untested '19 bike not failed.

7. MXoN '18, Race 1 (Herlings 1st, Tomac 4th): The track was rigged by Youthstream to favor European riders. Even so, Tomac would have won had Searle not blocked him lap after lap.

8. MXoN '18, Race 3 (Herlings 2nd, Tomac 7th): Recognizing the futility of challenging the Youthstream-Ritchie Family conspiracy, Tomac decided to save himself for the Monster Energy Cup.

The facts are pretty clear. Huge advantage Tomac.



RG1 wrote:
That gave me a good laugh. Thanks man
Yeah, that was good stuff! Lol.
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The real reason many people hang from Herlings nuts is they are twice the SIZE of Team USA riders!Blush
Boys got big Kahunas.......no doubtShocked Laughing Laughing
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Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ... 1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac...
Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ...

1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 5th): Tomac won the holeshot but intentionally allowed Herlings to pass on the first lap. Tomac was cruising to secure the championship.

2. Ironman '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 6th): Same as above, minus the holeshot.

3. USGP '17, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 12th): It was only qualifying. Tomac was sizing up the field.

4. USGP '17, first moto (Tomac 1st, Herlings 2nd): The real Tomac. The awe-stricken MXGP riders had no answer for ET3.

5. USGP '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 3rd): Tomac had proven his point in the first moto. No need to push.

6. MXoN '18, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 29th): Tomac would've won had his untested '19 bike not failed.

7. MXoN '18, Race 1 (Herlings 1st, Tomac 4th): The track was rigged by Youthstream to favor European riders. Even so, Tomac would have won had Searle not blocked him lap after lap.

8. MXoN '18, Race 3 (Herlings 2nd, Tomac 7th): Recognizing the futility of challenging the Youthstream-Ritchie Family conspiracy, Tomac decided to save himself for the Monster Energy Cup.

The facts are pretty clear. Huge advantage Tomac.



Can i help you with something? It's sad to see someone suffering so bad
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10/11/2018 11:52am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2018 11:52am
Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ... 1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac...
Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ...

1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 5th): Tomac won the holeshot but intentionally allowed Herlings to pass on the first lap. Tomac was cruising to secure the championship.

2. Ironman '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 6th): Same as above, minus the holeshot.

3. USGP '17, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 12th): It was only qualifying. Tomac was sizing up the field.

4. USGP '17, first moto (Tomac 1st, Herlings 2nd): The real Tomac. The awe-stricken MXGP riders had no answer for ET3.

5. USGP '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 3rd): Tomac had proven his point in the first moto. No need to push.

6. MXoN '18, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 29th): Tomac would've won had his untested '19 bike not failed.

7. MXoN '18, Race 1 (Herlings 1st, Tomac 4th): The track was rigged by Youthstream to favor European riders. Even so, Tomac would have won had Searle not blocked him lap after lap.

8. MXoN '18, Race 3 (Herlings 2nd, Tomac 7th): Recognizing the futility of challenging the Youthstream-Ritchie Family conspiracy, Tomac decided to save himself for the Monster Energy Cup.

The facts are pretty clear. Huge advantage Tomac.



keinz wrote:
Can i help you with something? It's sad to see someone suffering so bad
Your sarcasm detector is broken.
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You don't have to use 1 race to determine Herlings as the best guy. Herlings and Tomac have lined up against each other in 8 separate...
You don't have to use 1 race to determine Herlings as the best guy. Herlings and Tomac have lined up against each other in 8 separate Moto's in the past two seasons, all of which have been on US soil, and Herlings has beaten Tomac in 7 of them. It's over bro, it's not even close. Herlings is the best rider on the planet right now. Whether he won the last race or not on Sunday, Team NED was getting a 1-2 finish. If it was a rider from a different nation leading I'm very confident the outcome would have been different.
Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ... 1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac...
Eight times head to head in America? Yeah, maybe, but that's not the real story. This is ...

1. Ironman '17, first moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 5th): Tomac won the holeshot but intentionally allowed Herlings to pass on the first lap. Tomac was cruising to secure the championship.

2. Ironman '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 6th): Same as above, minus the holeshot.

3. USGP '17, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 12th): It was only qualifying. Tomac was sizing up the field.

4. USGP '17, first moto (Tomac 1st, Herlings 2nd): The real Tomac. The awe-stricken MXGP riders had no answer for ET3.

5. USGP '17, second moto (Herlings 1st, Tomac 3rd): Tomac had proven his point in the first moto. No need to push.

6. MXoN '18, qualifying race (Herlings 1st, Tomac 29th): Tomac would've won had his untested '19 bike not failed.

7. MXoN '18, Race 1 (Herlings 1st, Tomac 4th): The track was rigged by Youthstream to favor European riders. Even so, Tomac would have won had Searle not blocked him lap after lap.

8. MXoN '18, Race 3 (Herlings 2nd, Tomac 7th): Recognizing the futility of challenging the Youthstream-Ritchie Family conspiracy, Tomac decided to save himself for the Monster Energy Cup.

The facts are pretty clear. Huge advantage Tomac.



Finally someone with real facts! After all this BS there it is!
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10/11/2018 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2018 12:46pm
Racer331 wrote:
Nuts... you really think a mud race has any validity? Tomac got terrible starts, plain and simple. Im not saying he was faster then Herlings, those...
Nuts... you really think a mud race has any validity? Tomac got terrible starts, plain and simple. Im not saying he was faster then Herlings, those guys are great in the mud, but to make it sound like the race was at glen helen under Sunny skies is ridiculous.
Mark my words, because clearly some of you didn’t watch the nationals this year, If Herlings raced over here, Tomac would spank him several times. I’m sure Herlings would do it to him too, but when I read over and over about how Herlings is the greatest thing ever and Tomac is shit, it’s infuriating. No one on this planet could compete with him when he goes into his beast mode in the second half of the motos.

Plus, I’d love to see Herlings try to race Supercross.... ? can he even jump a triple? He would be captain LCQ for a long time if he even had the balls to do supercross.
Why would you love to see Herlings racing supercross, we don't have that in europe thankfully.
Yea yea I know we do but you know we don't.
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10/11/2018 12:50pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2018 12:51pm
Not pertinent to the conversation but should be said. Tomac was in beast mode the 3rd moto for 4 laps. Only those in attendance would know this. He was tripling the whoops and doing the leap lap after lap. TV never showed it.
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