Euros racing Monster cup

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7/24/2018 9:11pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2018 9:20pm
Teams and sponsors consider it the more important series. I’m not saying it’s better but calling it a side show is completely inaccurate
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7/24/2018 11:22pm
It didn't take Osborne long to do well at supercross, or was it just in his blood?
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7/25/2018 2:05am
zehn wrote:
SX is absolutely not a “side show”
not for you , but it is for most people on this planet ..
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Is Musquin, Roczen and Ferrandis euros? Tomac and the rest off fast americans will race next mxgp at Lommel? Tomac or Herlings win Erzenberg? Or the Dakar? This is a dick measure contest?
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Last year Gajser absolutely destroyed* Tomac in the overall Monster Cup standings, so i find it hard to believe Herlings couldn't do the same

*Using typical vital hyperbole
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Supercross really is not a big thing anywhere outside US. I catch myself being pumped for A1 every year, and lose interest around A3 at latest. As it usually has a really depleted field and racing is pretty much boring.
SX is something like baseball or nascar. Guys in US think those are the best and most important sports in the world, but nobody outside of USA gives a flying fuck about any of it.

Racing a monster cup for 99% of the GP riders would be a straight up suicide. One mistake can be too costly and derail an entire season.
I thought Gajser was doing good last year, but as we seen it, one mistake and he was pretty much out of it. The closer to SX the track is, the more punishment riders get for a the slightest mistakes

Supercross? Out of the question. DEADLY for a highly skilled GP rider. Bikes are the same but It is a different sport!
Look how much time it took Roczen and Musquin, both incredibly talented riders, to get good at SX.

Nobody competing in MXGP class has that much time (at least 2-3 years in my opinion) to adapt to SX. Careers are just too short in this sport.
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7/25/2018 3:22am
kb228 wrote:
Herlings should do monster cup so we have 2 chances of seeing who the fastest guy is..
HuskyEd wrote:
Herlings would have no chance. Not his forte.
fanger wrote:
This is going to get some members screeching, but how can we say herlings is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up...
This is going to get some members screeching, but how can we say herlings is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a sx race?
but how can we say anybody is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a MXGP race? the best MX serie of the world
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This is like saying who is the better runner Bolt or Farah, both do the same thing just in different ways.

Also i'll add Herlings said something along the lines of this year 'I would love to race SX if I could do whoops, I crash every time I go through a set' think it was in a GateDropMX interview.
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7/25/2018 3:48am
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To be fair Eli crashed out of the race last year too.
Good to see an American can remember things.

And Bogle axed himself too, if I remember correctly. TG lasted longer than 2 SX Experts, with how many years of experience?

Yet, you'll generally just see US people bringing up TGs exit from the event.

Such is selective memory.

Still, it will be interesting to see if any of the GP or other OS riders take part in an event of no importance to them. They've got their real jobs / career to think of. Unless they want to establish a (bit of) a SX related credential, if they want to go and play in the Circus of SX. That, I could understand.

Herlings? - if he's got the MXGP Title in hand (or if he hasn't), I'd say KTM might well offer him a bonus Not to mess about with the MEC. They've a significant investment in their (probable) MXGP dominator of the next few / many years.
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7/25/2018 4:54am
It didn't take Osborne long to do well at supercross, or was it just in his blood?
What are you talking about?
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With the MXdN just a week before, I would say it is this year or never for a lot of GP riders.

The main issue is the bikes are set up very differently, Gajser did great (well until ...). Not sure others can do as great.

- Gajser, let us hope he give it another try, he did more than great for a first time.
- Paulin or Febvre should be able to race with a decent set up.
- Herlings can too, too much talent. He did well at the SMX cup too.
- Prado but I don't think he has ever trained on a 350/450.
- Lawrence ? It may be risky to try to race just after a week of sx prep.
- Anstie ? Why not since he is looking for a ride (I thought he was going HRC with Bogers out for longer)
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7/25/2018 5:39am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2018 1:53pm
I don't think you'll be seeing Gajser in America for the MXON.... so if he goes, it'll be monster cup only
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7/25/2018 7:10am
HuskyEd wrote:
Herlings would have no chance. Not his forte.
fanger wrote:
This is going to get some members screeching, but how can we say herlings is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up...
This is going to get some members screeching, but how can we say herlings is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a sx race?
but how can we say anybody is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a MXGP race? the best MX serie...
but how can we say anybody is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a MXGP race? the best MX serie of the world
Who wont line up? Tomac? Hes already done a lot and is doing mxdn..
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7/25/2018 7:37am
fanger wrote:
This is going to get some members screeching, but how can we say herlings is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up...
This is going to get some members screeching, but how can we say herlings is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a sx race?
but how can we say anybody is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a MXGP race? the best MX serie...
but how can we say anybody is the best rider in the world when he won’t line up for a MXGP race? the best MX serie of the world
kb228 wrote:
Who wont line up? Tomac? Hes already done a lot and is doing mxdn..
yeah USGP 's and is racing MXDN only because its in USA this time

thats like when the MEC is at Lommel and Herlings and Cairoli decides to race the MEC Laughing
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There’s usually not any real sx whoops at monstercup. So as far as I’m concerned there shouldn’t be to much holding back an mxgp guy from doing well, with a little bit of jump timing practice. Most of them can scrub their asses off and such. Guys like Herlings may not beat the best of the best sx riders there. But they will beat 90% of the field. Esp Herlings. I’d bet a podium for him if it has no sx whoops. He’s a freak no matter what terrain or course.
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7/25/2018 7:53am
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Why would they?
Only 1 reason- $$$$$.

No, they won't make a penny at the actual race, but the $$$ part comes in via marketing their "brand" (them/their own name) here on American soil. Seriously, with so few factory rides available, top riders now days MUST market themselves to the few companies that have the cash to pay for their services. Part of a top rider's marketing package should absolutely include MEC because of the vast media coverage, as well as the big wigs that will be there in person to rub elbows with (that they normally never see in Euro land)..
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7/25/2018 1:41pm Edited Date/Time 7/25/2018 1:42pm
Nuffsaid wrote:
Why would they?
gt80rider wrote:
Only 1 reason- $$$$$. No, they won't make a penny at the actual race, but the $$$ part comes in via marketing their "brand" (them/their own...
Only 1 reason- $$$$$.

No, they won't make a penny at the actual race, but the $$$ part comes in via marketing their "brand" (them/their own name) here on American soil. Seriously, with so few factory rides available, top riders now days MUST market themselves to the few companies that have the cash to pay for their services. Part of a top rider's marketing package should absolutely include MEC because of the vast media coverage, as well as the big wigs that will be there in person to rub elbows with (that they normally never see in Euro land)..
TBH I think/hope racing the MEC pays for the living in Cali/Florida for a week, then for partying for anotherin Vegas Smile

That could be a solid point if I was in charge to convince the GP riders ! Woohoo

That way we euros could have 2 ass whooping for 1 in about 7 days lmfao (or a big revenge just in case of crash/racing incident)
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7/25/2018 1:44pm
There’s a lot of stupid in just this page.
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7/25/2018 3:27pm
Herlings has so much natural talent that he would make the transition to SX very quickly. He has great bike skills and has no fear, rides with aggression and is a fierce competitor, probably more so than Eli. I think he would do just fine at monster cup, it's not really a SX race per se anyway.
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7/25/2018 4:31pm
Careful what you wish for....Herlings might be able to win the damn thing.
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7/25/2018 4:57pm
It didn't take Osborne long to do well at supercross, or was it just in his blood?
You know he raced SX for years before he went to the GP's right?
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7/25/2018 4:59pm
I'm not even a SX fan but you MXGP fans trying to downplay how big SX is to the sport is kind of silly
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Agree. I'm bored out of my mind about 6-7 races in. Tracks all look same, riders are all doing the same stuff save for Tomac, pretty much all about the start. Blah
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With a few months practice, Herlings would be hanging right up front in Supercross with the top guys. I don't see a rider of his caliber...
With a few months practice, Herlings would be hanging right up front in Supercross with the top guys. I don't see a rider of his caliber taking too long to figure out how to go fast in Supercross.
Herlings could learn to go fast in SX, but not in a few months. Get real. First he would have to race a 250 for atleast 1 season. He would not make the night show on a 450.
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It didn't take Osborne long to do well at supercross, or was it just in his blood?
Yeah only 10 years to get an SX lites title
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7/27/2018 1:02am
zehn wrote:
SX is absolutely not a “side show”
not for you , but it is for most people on this planet ..
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets on the radio
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7/27/2018 1:26am
zehn wrote:
SX is absolutely not a “side show”
not for you , but it is for most people on this planet ..
Juss72 wrote:
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets...
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets on the radio
When it comes to pay, sponsor and rider exposure, tv ratings, prestige, supercross IS the best all all of those. It is the pinnacle of the sport whether you like it or not. I prefer outdoors all day long but still have to recognize sx is top dog. Teams care more about sx than outdoors even.
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7/27/2018 1:31am Edited Date/Time 7/27/2018 2:42am
zehn wrote:
SX is absolutely not a “side show”
not for you , but it is for most people on this planet ..
Juss72 wrote:
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets...
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets on the radio
i mean like people from outside the USA ...how many people in that stadium came from outside USA ? lol

SX is the pinnacle of the sport for the USA mx part , i get that ...

you really think USA SX is watched more or followed more in Europa as MXGP ?? you cant be serious :-)
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7/27/2018 2:10am
I really hope some of the top GP guys enter, would be really interesting to see what happens - just hope they don't injure themselves unnecessarily and ruin their '19 GP season.

Don't really wanna get into this whole whats better SX or MX thing... however just thinking about it, if it came out tomorrow that supercross had gone down the pan and there was no more supercross, I really wouldn't be that bothered about it. I watch it when I can but its not why I'm a fan of the sport. Now if there was no more motocross I'd find the nearest cliff to throw myself off Laughing
Just my opinion but MX is racing at its purest form, blows my mind that SX is somehow more important and more of a money maker for the teams and riders but it can't be denied I guess...
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7/27/2018 3:24am Edited Date/Time 7/27/2018 3:27am
not for you , but it is for most people on this planet ..
Juss72 wrote:
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets...
Yeah when I go to a US SX its usually damn near full, but they are not there cause they like SX. Maybe they won tickets on the radio
i mean like people from outside the USA ...how many people in that stadium came from outside USA ? lol SX is the pinnacle of the...
i mean like people from outside the USA ...how many people in that stadium came from outside USA ? lol

SX is the pinnacle of the sport for the USA mx part , i get that ...

you really think USA SX is watched more or followed more in Europa as MXGP ?? you cant be serious :-)
I know that many euros do not like SX because they don't have a dog in it or tracks to train on, but I do think so, that the US SX is more followed than the MXGP in Europe. In term of atmosphere too, each venue is at least matching in attendance the best GP venues like the UK, France, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands. Only the MXdN is above all.

Maybe right now the current GP generation is competitive against the US top guy (Tomac, Dungey, RV at 95%), but in the like past 30 years the US have always produced and attracted the best riders, McGrath and RC as native but also in terms of "internationals": Bayle, Albertijn, Pichon, Tortelli, Vuillemin, Roncada, Langston, Reed, CP, Rattray, Searle, Anstie, Musquin, Roczen, Ferrandis. Not all have titles, still this list has 15 world championships (whereas it was only a step as they competed most of their career in the US). Lots of GP riders that stayed in the GPs would not have titles or so many titles if the list above had been there.

To be considered as THE best, you have to win both in SX and MX so the US is at least a 3 to 5 years experience to do.
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