Media Blackout

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6/7/2018 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2018 4:04pm
i have followed Motocross since 1978 but admittedly didn't follow much in late '90s-early 00s. Saying that, I remain completely dumbfounded how the "journalism" arm of...
i have followed Motocross since 1978 but admittedly didn't follow much in late '90s-early 00s.

Saying that, I remain completely dumbfounded how the "journalism" arm of this sport works so tirelessly to absolutely disparage, make fun of, and insult their very customers (the readers). At the same time, they completely block any information on riders/teams unless the riders/teams tell them that it's OK, and they freely admit this.

Yeah, the shirt gives you a chuckle, but the message behind it is "God, you guys are stupid. Yup - it was a "Media Blackout!! Stupid conspiracy loons...."
I agree with you on this. I don’t how many times I’ve seen Matthes shit on somebody on twitter for asking a question he feels is stupid and the person is like “dude I haven’t been following racing very long.” like it or not, Steve is one of the main moto media guys, but he can be a complete tool to the people that give him money
6/7/2018 4:07pm
I've never seen so many people butt hurt over a meaningless exhibition race. LMAO
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6/7/2018 4:08pm
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer. They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very...
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer.

They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very site said they "forgot" the race was even happening and didn't cover it. Then DC said it was "logistical problems" that kept them from even posting the race results. Keep in mind that we get a 3 minute recap of the 50SX race in Supercross. Then when called out about it, they yawned, called all of the readers idiots for even suggesting that they weren't interested, and clipped comments stating otherwise (I expect this one to be gone shortly).

On a deeper level, we have the thread about the rider getting hit with a WADA violation. The owners of this site (moto-press) know who it is and have said so repeatedly. Then they admonish anyone for guessing and preface it with (paraphrased) "Quit being stupid. When we know something, we'll post something." But isn't that the POINT of journalism? Ask questions? Post what is known? Dig for the story?

I love this site and check it 10x day, but I have been absolutely dumbfounded as to how a business that makes its money on READERS, can spend so much energy making fun of those very readers and refusing to post the NEWS that its READERS want to read. Then when questioned, they double down with making fun of those asking the questions, and continue the blackout on information until the powers that be (I assume) give them the go-ahead.

It's beyond strange.
Well I have no argument, it appears your post did go over my head. Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for coming across as an...
Well I have no argument, it appears your post did go over my head. Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for coming across as an asshole.. I'm doing that a lot today, I think I need a bit of a Vital break.
it's allright. I started it by being a dick. :-)
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6/7/2018 4:28pm
Well I have no argument, it appears your post did go over my head. Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for coming across as an...
Well I have no argument, it appears your post did go over my head. Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for coming across as an asshole.. I'm doing that a lot today, I think I need a bit of a Vital break.
You're wound a little too tight, always complaining about people complaining which makes you a complainer.

What was your previous screen name?

Laughing

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6/7/2018 4:29pm
UpTiTe wrote:
I've never seen so many people butt hurt over a meaningless exhibition race. LMAO
LMAO. You are missing the whole point.
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6/7/2018 4:31pm
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer. They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very...
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer.

They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very site said they "forgot" the race was even happening and didn't cover it. Then DC said it was "logistical problems" that kept them from even posting the race results. Keep in mind that we get a 3 minute recap of the 50SX race in Supercross. Then when called out about it, they yawned, called all of the readers idiots for even suggesting that they weren't interested, and clipped comments stating otherwise (I expect this one to be gone shortly).

On a deeper level, we have the thread about the rider getting hit with a WADA violation. The owners of this site (moto-press) know who it is and have said so repeatedly. Then they admonish anyone for guessing and preface it with (paraphrased) "Quit being stupid. When we know something, we'll post something." But isn't that the POINT of journalism? Ask questions? Post what is known? Dig for the story?

I love this site and check it 10x day, but I have been absolutely dumbfounded as to how a business that makes its money on READERS, can spend so much energy making fun of those very readers and refusing to post the NEWS that its READERS want to read. Then when questioned, they double down with making fun of those asking the questions, and continue the blackout on information until the powers that be (I assume) give them the go-ahead.

It's beyond strange.
Well I have no argument, it appears your post did go over my head. Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for coming across as an...
Well I have no argument, it appears your post did go over my head. Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for coming across as an asshole.. I'm doing that a lot today, I think I need a bit of a Vital break.
it's allright. I started it by being a dick. :-)
How cute Sick
6/7/2018 4:33pm
UpTiTe wrote:
I've never seen so many people butt hurt over a meaningless exhibition race. LMAO
LMAO. You are missing the whole point.
No, not really, I just dont believe there is a grand wizard conspiracy to keep people from getting info on a race.

RacerX, MXSports and the rest of the journalistic world is there for a professional national competition, not for a filler race designed to keep the crowd amused.
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6/7/2018 4:41pm
The “media” looking down on their flock laughing, and why not try get some more of their hard earnt dollars.
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6/7/2018 4:42pm
IMO MX sports doesn't wanna put up money for a purse, so they pretend like it's no big deal. Flame away goobers.
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TFS had explained it with this image


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6/7/2018 4:48pm
So doed the orginal poster on here get royalties? Since they ripped it off from here.
I like that idea.
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6/7/2018 4:48pm
This whole thread is hilarious. It has everything you need. Copy write claims, 2 stroke vs 4 stroke debate and still genuine concern over a 2 stroke media black out.
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6/7/2018 4:54pm
So doed the orginal poster on here get royalties? Since they ripped it off from here.
I like that idea.
You should definitely get a free shirt, and maybe a free subscription, to MXA.

kidding, I'm only kidding! $?
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6/7/2018 7:55pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2018 8:05pm
What I find comical about the T shirt offering is the fact that the same people that made a mockery of the two stroke races at the first 3 rounds are now trying to make money off the popularity of the two strokes.

Now keep in mind, those are also the same people that did cartwheels for 3 months promoting the same "All Star 125 Series" that we were told we should be so excited about.

You can't make this stuff up.
6/7/2018 8:07pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2018 8:07pm
newmann wrote:
You're wound a little too tight, always complaining about people complaining which makes you a complainer.

What was your previous screen name?

Laughing
Haha no previous names, lurked for awhile before I ever posted. I guess if we're all complaining we got something in common lol
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6/7/2018 8:22pm
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer. They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very...
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer.

They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very site said they "forgot" the race was even happening and didn't cover it. Then DC said it was "logistical problems" that kept them from even posting the race results. Keep in mind that we get a 3 minute recap of the 50SX race in Supercross. Then when called out about it, they yawned, called all of the readers idiots for even suggesting that they weren't interested, and clipped comments stating otherwise (I expect this one to be gone shortly).

On a deeper level, we have the thread about the rider getting hit with a WADA violation. The owners of this site (moto-press) know who it is and have said so repeatedly. Then they admonish anyone for guessing and preface it with (paraphrased) "Quit being stupid. When we know something, we'll post something." But isn't that the POINT of journalism? Ask questions? Post what is known? Dig for the story?

I love this site and check it 10x day, but I have been absolutely dumbfounded as to how a business that makes its money on READERS, can spend so much energy making fun of those very readers and refusing to post the NEWS that its READERS want to read. Then when questioned, they double down with making fun of those asking the questions, and continue the blackout on information until the powers that be (I assume) give them the go-ahead.

It's beyond strange.
You want some truth? Here goes.

The 125 races are a cute sideshow to what everyone really came to see. And that's coming from a guy who loves 125s, and thinks that all the manufacturers should be making one. It's a crucial stepping stone that's partially missing in our sport.

Do I know who's rumored to have possibly failed another test? Yes. But as of this point, there's no evidence of an actual failure. Should I rush out and out a rider who may have made a mistake, if there's no positive test? I don't think so.

On the same topic, I've heard at least three versions of the backstory. Which one am I supposed to believe?

In the meantime, do I drop the story and ruin the rider's chances of ever scoring a good ride, based on what so far are only rumors, just to please some disgruntled forum members? Nope.
6/7/2018 8:38pm
i have followed Motocross since 1978 but admittedly didn't follow much in late '90s-early 00s. Saying that, I remain completely dumbfounded how the "journalism" arm of...
i have followed Motocross since 1978 but admittedly didn't follow much in late '90s-early 00s.

Saying that, I remain completely dumbfounded how the "journalism" arm of this sport works so tirelessly to absolutely disparage, make fun of, and insult their very customers (the readers). At the same time, they completely block any information on riders/teams unless the riders/teams tell them that it's OK, and they freely admit this.

Yeah, the shirt gives you a chuckle, but the message behind it is "God, you guys are stupid. Yup - it was a "Media Blackout!! Stupid conspiracy loons...."
DC is the leader on this and it started back in RC’s motorhome roughly 18 years ago. Block block block.
6/7/2018 8:57pm
Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the agenda of manufacturers still making 125's. Therefore why would it be on their parasites agenda? Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right.
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6/7/2018 9:02pm
Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the...
Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the agenda of manufacturers still making 125's. Therefore why would it be on their parasites agenda? Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right.
Quick quiz...which OEs are site sponsors?
6/7/2018 9:05pm
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer. They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very...
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer.

They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very site said they "forgot" the race was even happening and didn't cover it. Then DC said it was "logistical problems" that kept them from even posting the race results. Keep in mind that we get a 3 minute recap of the 50SX race in Supercross. Then when called out about it, they yawned, called all of the readers idiots for even suggesting that they weren't interested, and clipped comments stating otherwise (I expect this one to be gone shortly).

On a deeper level, we have the thread about the rider getting hit with a WADA violation. The owners of this site (moto-press) know who it is and have said so repeatedly. Then they admonish anyone for guessing and preface it with (paraphrased) "Quit being stupid. When we know something, we'll post something." But isn't that the POINT of journalism? Ask questions? Post what is known? Dig for the story?

I love this site and check it 10x day, but I have been absolutely dumbfounded as to how a business that makes its money on READERS, can spend so much energy making fun of those very readers and refusing to post the NEWS that its READERS want to read. Then when questioned, they double down with making fun of those asking the questions, and continue the blackout on information until the powers that be (I assume) give them the go-ahead.

It's beyond strange.
GuyB wrote:
You want some truth? Here goes. The 125 races are a cute sideshow to what everyone really came to see. And that's coming from a guy...
You want some truth? Here goes.

The 125 races are a cute sideshow to what everyone really came to see. And that's coming from a guy who loves 125s, and thinks that all the manufacturers should be making one. It's a crucial stepping stone that's partially missing in our sport.

Do I know who's rumored to have possibly failed another test? Yes. But as of this point, there's no evidence of an actual failure. Should I rush out and out a rider who may have made a mistake, if there's no positive test? I don't think so.

On the same topic, I've heard at least three versions of the backstory. Which one am I supposed to believe?

In the meantime, do I drop the story and ruin the rider's chances of ever scoring a good ride, based on what so far are only rumors, just to please some disgruntled forum members? Nope.
I respect that 100%. I understand and appreciate you guys not throwing a rider under the bus that might not even have an issue to begin with.
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6/7/2018 9:43pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2018 9:44pm
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer. They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very...
allright, respectful response deserves a respectful answer.

They (moto-press) absolutely went out of their way to not cover the race, as the journalists on this very site said they "forgot" the race was even happening and didn't cover it. Then DC said it was "logistical problems" that kept them from even posting the race results. Keep in mind that we get a 3 minute recap of the 50SX race in Supercross. Then when called out about it, they yawned, called all of the readers idiots for even suggesting that they weren't interested, and clipped comments stating otherwise (I expect this one to be gone shortly).

On a deeper level, we have the thread about the rider getting hit with a WADA violation. The owners of this site (moto-press) know who it is and have said so repeatedly. Then they admonish anyone for guessing and preface it with (paraphrased) "Quit being stupid. When we know something, we'll post something." But isn't that the POINT of journalism? Ask questions? Post what is known? Dig for the story?

I love this site and check it 10x day, but I have been absolutely dumbfounded as to how a business that makes its money on READERS, can spend so much energy making fun of those very readers and refusing to post the NEWS that its READERS want to read. Then when questioned, they double down with making fun of those asking the questions, and continue the blackout on information until the powers that be (I assume) give them the go-ahead.

It's beyond strange.
Small correction here, neither myself nor GuyB said we forgot they were happening. I said I completely missed the race at Hangtown because they started the race over one hour ahead of schedule when I was busy doing Pit Bits work on the pits...the promoters of Hangtown did that.

DC’s crew, Racer X, is giving the series the most coverage of any media outlet as they have a full one Video guy at each round filming that race and doing the helmet camera layovers.

KTM 50 SX gets covered every once in awhile but is paid for by KTM to Feld and is incorporated into occasional tv coverage per that deal. The 125 all star races are exhibition and aren’t filmed. NBC won’t have the crew filming during this period and won’t host it in the tv coverage, it’s not soemthing they signed up for or is a part of their deal.
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Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the...
Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the agenda of manufacturers still making 125's. Therefore why would it be on their parasites agenda? Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right.
Interesting theory considering at times we’ve had no OEM advertisers and as of late the only consistent one we’ve had is the one who’s consistently updating their two-stroke line...

I’ve had OEMs angry at me for stuff we’ve written, yet to get a paycheck to do anything for them.
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6/7/2018 10:39pm
Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the...
Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the agenda of manufacturers still making 125's. Therefore why would it be on their parasites agenda? Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right.
ML512 wrote:
Interesting theory considering at times we’ve had no OEM advertisers and as of late the only consistent one we’ve had is the one who’s consistently updating...
Interesting theory considering at times we’ve had no OEM advertisers and as of late the only consistent one we’ve had is the one who’s consistently updating their two-stroke line...

I’ve had OEMs angry at me for stuff we’ve written, yet to get a paycheck to do anything for them.
I think a lot of the posts on these topics are being taken completely out of context, not only by the forum members but the moderators as well. I can't speak for some of the others but I can give you my $.02

Here are a few of my thoughts on this.

1. The coverage on these races is much less of a media problem and much MORE of a sanctioning body/promoter problem. I know the Vital crew busts their asses to bring the fans good coverage and I for one (and I hope the rest of the fans) appreciate it. "Pit Bits" is my favorite feature of the week of any moto site, hands down. You guys work hard to cover the races and I think all of the Vital members appreciate that.

2. If the promoters of the two stroke series are going to push the "series" to try to make money off it, they need to provide the tools so the media can report on the race like it's 2018, not 1940. They can't promote the series like this: https://mxsportsproracing.com/pages/125-allstar-series and not expect people to want to at least know how people finished:

3. The challenges in covering these first three rounds is not the media's fault IMO. It is the fault of the people that are promoting the races in the first place and the fact that they are clearly unprepared to handle the "series" properly. It's not like they are new to promoting races, therefore no excuses. They need to own it.

4. This is not a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke popularity contest. More classes of different types of machinery is better for the sport as a whole and increases sales and the bottom line. Without that, some day we might not have a sport? All of the people making condescending statements and mocking the two strokes are chopping their own sport (that they supposedly love) off at the knees. Its a huge part of the market.

5. The promoters and sanctioning bodies need to quit living in fear of the OEM's and start running the races like a real organization instead of sideshow circus while functioning as a propaganda arm of the OEM's. It's getting so obvious it's becoming embarrassing.

I have a full tank of fuel in the flamethrower, let's hear some of your thoughts.
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Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the...
Media exposure of a race of bikes (125 2T) that steal sales from their most profitable and maintenance intensive bikes (250F) is not even on the agenda of manufacturers still making 125's. Therefore why would it be on their parasites agenda? Don't bite the hand that feeds you, right.
ML512 wrote:
Interesting theory considering at times we’ve had no OEM advertisers and as of late the only consistent one we’ve had is the one who’s consistently updating...
Interesting theory considering at times we’ve had no OEM advertisers and as of late the only consistent one we’ve had is the one who’s consistently updating their two-stroke line...

I’ve had OEMs angry at me for stuff we’ve written, yet to get a paycheck to do anything for them.
I think a lot of the posts on these topics are being taken completely out of context, not only by the forum members but the moderators...
I think a lot of the posts on these topics are being taken completely out of context, not only by the forum members but the moderators as well. I can't speak for some of the others but I can give you my $.02

Here are a few of my thoughts on this.

1. The coverage on these races is much less of a media problem and much MORE of a sanctioning body/promoter problem. I know the Vital crew busts their asses to bring the fans good coverage and I for one (and I hope the rest of the fans) appreciate it. "Pit Bits" is my favorite feature of the week of any moto site, hands down. You guys work hard to cover the races and I think all of the Vital members appreciate that.

2. If the promoters of the two stroke series are going to push the "series" to try to make money off it, they need to provide the tools so the media can report on the race like it's 2018, not 1940. They can't promote the series like this: https://mxsportsproracing.com/pages/125-allstar-series and not expect people to want to at least know how people finished:

3. The challenges in covering these first three rounds is not the media's fault IMO. It is the fault of the people that are promoting the races in the first place and the fact that they are clearly unprepared to handle the "series" properly. It's not like they are new to promoting races, therefore no excuses. They need to own it.

4. This is not a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke popularity contest. More classes of different types of machinery is better for the sport as a whole and increases sales and the bottom line. Without that, some day we might not have a sport? All of the people making condescending statements and mocking the two strokes are chopping their own sport (that they supposedly love) off at the knees. Its a huge part of the market.

5. The promoters and sanctioning bodies need to quit living in fear of the OEM's and start running the races like a real organization instead of sideshow circus while functioning as a propaganda arm of the OEM's. It's getting so obvious it's becoming embarrassing.

I have a full tank of fuel in the flamethrower, let's hear some of your thoughts.
Now that's no way to post, you didn't use foul language or make personal attacks on anybody, what the heck?
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ML512 wrote:
Interesting theory considering at times we’ve had no OEM advertisers and as of late the only consistent one we’ve had is the one who’s consistently updating...
Interesting theory considering at times we’ve had no OEM advertisers and as of late the only consistent one we’ve had is the one who’s consistently updating their two-stroke line...

I’ve had OEMs angry at me for stuff we’ve written, yet to get a paycheck to do anything for them.
I think a lot of the posts on these topics are being taken completely out of context, not only by the forum members but the moderators...
I think a lot of the posts on these topics are being taken completely out of context, not only by the forum members but the moderators as well. I can't speak for some of the others but I can give you my $.02

Here are a few of my thoughts on this.

1. The coverage on these races is much less of a media problem and much MORE of a sanctioning body/promoter problem. I know the Vital crew busts their asses to bring the fans good coverage and I for one (and I hope the rest of the fans) appreciate it. "Pit Bits" is my favorite feature of the week of any moto site, hands down. You guys work hard to cover the races and I think all of the Vital members appreciate that.

2. If the promoters of the two stroke series are going to push the "series" to try to make money off it, they need to provide the tools so the media can report on the race like it's 2018, not 1940. They can't promote the series like this: https://mxsportsproracing.com/pages/125-allstar-series and not expect people to want to at least know how people finished:

3. The challenges in covering these first three rounds is not the media's fault IMO. It is the fault of the people that are promoting the races in the first place and the fact that they are clearly unprepared to handle the "series" properly. It's not like they are new to promoting races, therefore no excuses. They need to own it.

4. This is not a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke popularity contest. More classes of different types of machinery is better for the sport as a whole and increases sales and the bottom line. Without that, some day we might not have a sport? All of the people making condescending statements and mocking the two strokes are chopping their own sport (that they supposedly love) off at the knees. Its a huge part of the market.

5. The promoters and sanctioning bodies need to quit living in fear of the OEM's and start running the races like a real organization instead of sideshow circus while functioning as a propaganda arm of the OEM's. It's getting so obvious it's becoming embarrassing.

I have a full tank of fuel in the flamethrower, let's hear some of your thoughts.
oldblood wrote:
Now that's no way to post, you didn't use foul language or make personal attacks on anybody, what the heck?
I can edit it?
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All joking aside.
I' have a different view on this than most. I feel mx has been popular in the distant past partly because it was affordable compared to other motorsports .
As the sport evolved, costs increased, along with health care and liability costs affecting participant's and promoters.
It would be cool to have a more affordable class than the full enchilada. Like the limited classes in Baja.
A true privateer class .
I hope this is it.
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oldblood wrote:
All joking aside. I' have a different view on this than most. I feel mx has been popular in the distant past partly because it was...
All joking aside.
I' have a different view on this than most. I feel mx has been popular in the distant past partly because it was affordable compared to other motorsports .
As the sport evolved, costs increased, along with health care and liability costs affecting participant's and promoters.
It would be cool to have a more affordable class than the full enchilada. Like the limited classes in Baja.
A true privateer class .
I hope this is it.
I totally agree.

It doesn't matter which type of bike is faster or slower if you can't afford to get to the races in the first place.
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GuyB wrote:
You want some truth? Here goes. The 125 races are a cute sideshow to what everyone really came to see. And that's coming from a guy...
You want some truth? Here goes.

The 125 races are a cute sideshow to what everyone really came to see. And that's coming from a guy who loves 125s, and thinks that all the manufacturers should be making one. It's a crucial stepping stone that's partially missing in our sport.

Do I know who's rumored to have possibly failed another test? Yes. But as of this point, there's no evidence of an actual failure. Should I rush out and out a rider who may have made a mistake, if there's no positive test? I don't think so.

On the same topic, I've heard at least three versions of the backstory. Which one am I supposed to believe?

In the meantime, do I drop the story and ruin the rider's chances of ever scoring a good ride, based on what so far are only rumors, just to please some disgruntled forum members? Nope.
Which one are you supposed to believe? The one that you confirm after picking up the phone and asking said rider to confirm or deny the rumors, and then you report it for your readers.
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6/8/2018 5:19am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2018 5:21am
Blackdiamond, I don't think anyone is trying to make money off the 125 All Star exhibition races, we just tried to carve out a place in the schedule for a chance for each promoter to host some local fast kids and maybe some ex-pros to do 4 or 5-lap races on 125s as some intermission entertainment and to also test the waters of what the demand is in order to maybe move forward with more... Hangtown was a very cool deal when Villopoto showed up and participated and Washougal will be a very big deal when he comes back. Last year there were five of these type of races, and this time there are a few more.

The problem for TV is that intermission serves as the one and only break for a vast crew that do not have the same passion for 125 two-strokes--or even motocross--as they are, for the most part, professional TV production people for any and all sports. They are there to cover the 250 and 450 National classes, not the intermission. We tried everything from moving the starting times to 1:30 but that doesn't work for the networks. We considered a 10 a.m. race but that's not fair to the fans who are actually attending the nationals. We thought about late-Friday afternoons but the TV truck and cameras would not be ready. And we considered just paying that crew of about 60 overtime wages and delivering lunch to everyone but that wasn't realistic either. It's the exact same problem TV had with covering the WMX, the Legends race at Ironmen, the OG 125 Dream Race at Washougal and more.

So we hoped that Vital MX and MXA and TWMX and Racer X and more would be able to get enough material to help give the guys participating in each race some decent publicity and the fans who were interested some decent coverage.

Each promoter was to do their own 125 race, and Hangtown was a bit of a mess with sign-up and scoring. The Dirt Diggers were much more focused on the national, and with good reason--it was their 50th Hangtown and they had a lot going on. Some riders didn't actually sign-up, which made scoring (and announcing) difficult. The race also started when most of the MX media guys were on their own breaks in the media tent, uploading morning practice photos, eating, whatever; I know one of the Racer X guys missed the start because he thought they were going to do a sighting lap first.

Later, we didn't realize what a problem getting results out for the whole field would be until the race was over and there wasn't a complete list of names and numbers. Glen Helen had theirs under control, and it was much better at Thunder Valley. Next week is High Point and we will have it dialed.

So yes, to your point, the series needs to do a better job in general in organizing and getting the word out, but please remember that it's the Lucas Oil 250/450 Pro Motocross Championship that is our primary focus this summer, and hopefully these 125 All Star races will grow and find more traction (and organization) in the near future.

The T-shirt is not meant to be condescending to the two-stroke crowd (of which I consider myself a part), but to the conspiracy theorists out there that jump to conclusions and post things like, well, go back and read some of your own posts (and there are many) and maybe you will see the point, just as we see your point that it needs more organization and follow-thru. There's just a lot of chainsaws to juggle at some of these very big races and adding 125cc ones to the whole production takes some time to find the right place in the lineup.

p.s. I don't know of anyone failing an official drug-test either.

p.s.s What size shirt do you wear?

DC
Racer X

6/8/2018 5:33am
DC wrote:
Blackdiamond, I don't think anyone is trying to make money off the 125 All Star exhibition races, we just tried to carve out a place in...
Blackdiamond, I don't think anyone is trying to make money off the 125 All Star exhibition races, we just tried to carve out a place in the schedule for a chance for each promoter to host some local fast kids and maybe some ex-pros to do 4 or 5-lap races on 125s as some intermission entertainment and to also test the waters of what the demand is in order to maybe move forward with more... Hangtown was a very cool deal when Villopoto showed up and participated and Washougal will be a very big deal when he comes back. Last year there were five of these type of races, and this time there are a few more.

The problem for TV is that intermission serves as the one and only break for a vast crew that do not have the same passion for 125 two-strokes--or even motocross--as they are, for the most part, professional TV production people for any and all sports. They are there to cover the 250 and 450 National classes, not the intermission. We tried everything from moving the starting times to 1:30 but that doesn't work for the networks. We considered a 10 a.m. race but that's not fair to the fans who are actually attending the nationals. We thought about late-Friday afternoons but the TV truck and cameras would not be ready. And we considered just paying that crew of about 60 overtime wages and delivering lunch to everyone but that wasn't realistic either. It's the exact same problem TV had with covering the WMX, the Legends race at Ironmen, the OG 125 Dream Race at Washougal and more.

So we hoped that Vital MX and MXA and TWMX and Racer X and more would be able to get enough material to help give the guys participating in each race some decent publicity and the fans who were interested some decent coverage.

Each promoter was to do their own 125 race, and Hangtown was a bit of a mess with sign-up and scoring. The Dirt Diggers were much more focused on the national, and with good reason--it was their 50th Hangtown and they had a lot going on. Some riders didn't actually sign-up, which made scoring (and announcing) difficult. The race also started when most of the MX media guys were on their own breaks in the media tent, uploading morning practice photos, eating, whatever; I know one of the Racer X guys missed the start because he thought they were going to do a sighting lap first.

Later, we didn't realize what a problem getting results out for the whole field would be until the race was over and there wasn't a complete list of names and numbers. Glen Helen had theirs under control, and it was much better at Thunder Valley. Next week is High Point and we will have it dialed.

So yes, to your point, the series needs to do a better job in general in organizing and getting the word out, but please remember that it's the Lucas Oil 250/450 Pro Motocross Championship that is our primary focus this summer, and hopefully these 125 All Star races will grow and find more traction (and organization) in the near future.

The T-shirt is not meant to be condescending to the two-stroke crowd (of which I consider myself a part), but to the conspiracy theorists out there that jump to conclusions and post things like, well, go back and read some of your own posts (and there are many) and maybe you will see the point, just as we see your point that it needs more organization and follow-thru. There's just a lot of chainsaws to juggle at some of these very big races and adding 125cc ones to the whole production takes some time to find the right place in the lineup.

p.s. I don't know of anyone failing an official drug-test either.

p.s.s What size shirt do you wear?

DC
Racer X

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