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TeamGreen 4/23/2018 6:33pm
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Here’s the thing: can you imagine all these “offended fans” watching a hockey game..?
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The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid. He needs to realign his position in the...
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid.

He needs to realign his position in the sport with his ego and expectation. He's certainly no MC/RC/RV/RD, and he never will be.
Helder wrote:
put the pipe down bro, when he is on he smokes RD and would smoke RV!
plowboy wrote:
Don't disagree....but he's just not "on enough".
He'll come good, and look for all you fuckers imagine gow you would be these racers aren't machines this is what everyone of us would do, I'd be worse to be honest! I'd be going DV12 on Ron Ron after the race that year whenever it was 2002 or something slapping him around the helmet hahahaha
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JB 19 4/23/2018 8:07pm
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Times like these sure bring out the internet tough guys. Calling Tomac or Musquin a pussy is pretty funny. I wonder how many of you guys have taken as many chances in your whole life as they do in one day of Supercross racing. Laughing .......most guys in here would probably shit their pants if they had to stare down a 3-4 rhythm section.
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Bultaco wrote:
No it was not “that” bad. It was not even bad bad. Marvin took the line. Eli made it look worse because he fell over. (Gravity...
No it was not “that” bad. It was not even bad bad. Marvin took the line. Eli made it look worse because he fell over. (Gravity works like that sometimes). Everyone’s shorts are knotted up because a non-American riding a non-japenese bike, trying to win a race, caused the incident.
just at the end of last years championship, we all saw a grown man put down a kid for the win of the kids class, he was an hero !!! he was brilliant !!!!
now it was a "frenchie" on a "pumpkin", and it wasnt on the last lap of the last race, which does'nt mean it was not also for the championship.....but still lots of drama and lots of name calling......even from noticables of the american sport.....
but for me the funny shit is that i remember, not that long ago, lots of people here claiming marvin and ken as americans and even choosing them for the american "losing" mxdn team......
what ??? there is no doble standard, and defineatly not foreign hate, it is all normal and very sporty !!!!... we non american are the ones who hate and disrespect the great american nation !!!!!!
and i am quoting "bultaco" just because i know what i am going to get from my post......but he did'nt !!!!!!

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mattseaton90 wrote:
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid. He needs to realign his position in the...
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid.

He needs to realign his position in the sport with his ego and expectation. He's certainly no MC/RC/RV/RD, and he never will be.
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For what? Actually stating his opinion? If he didn't say anything you'd likely gripe about that, too. Sometimes you're in situations where you're not going to...
For what? Actually stating his opinion? If he didn't say anything you'd likely gripe about that, too.

Sometimes you're in situations where you're not going to make anyone happy...like now.
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Don't you know? When you don't like a certain rider and said rider states their opinion, said rider is a cry baby... You really can't make...
Don't you know? When you don't like a certain rider and said rider states their opinion, said rider is a cry baby...

You really can't make everyone happy. Guys want the riders to not sound like robots and speak their minds. Rider gives his opinion and now he's a cry baby and needs to shut up. Makes no sense to me. He was justified in being pissed off and speaking his mind and I would have expected that from anyone on the receiving end of a take out, whether it was a t-bone or a block pass that put them on the ground. Why can't the guy be pissed?
I think he has a right to be pissed and calling it out in the conference was kinda refreshing in a way. While it may not be how I personally may have handled it, it is entertaining to see someone truly be a little human for once. Agree or not, it beats the usual.."yeah no for sure, i mean...."

Personally I think the line he was talking about is clear, while every incident may not. He seems to want to race clean, but aggressive. Aggressive riding to me is rubbing, blocking, mixing it up. Sometimes someone goes down..o well. Dirty/cheap is purposely putting someone down. Even, if they do not go down.
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PTshox 4/23/2018 8:38pm
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Me thinks Eli will handle this on the track in the outdoors. I don't think it will be super clean either .
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Tomac can and should be pissed-he lost the race on the last lap! Anyone would be pissed. And he can express it, sure. How he expressed himself is the issue and it sounded petulant, and whiny. And he has dished it out and then some in the past, regardless of who started it. It was a hard pass for a win in the premier class with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. We have seen passes like that for as long as there has been mx/sx. They get applause when it happens in the LCQ's as many have already pointed out-far, far worse. If anyone here was the 25, and you led every lap save the last one, you would be just as pissed at getting passed and he found a way to get his position back, and ultimately the win. Jeez Canard drove RV into a steel finish line pole to win a race and the championship!

As for his anger at Marv letting Dungey by last year, sure be pissed but don't for one minute think that if the shoe was on the other foot, Monster Energy Kawasaki wouldn't have done the same. Come on. Tomac didn't lose the championship in Vegas, he lost it with a shitty start to the season and left himself literally no room for error.
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Alex.434 4/23/2018 8:46pm
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Literally can't believe people are so worked up over that pass. Have seen COUNTLESS passes that were as hard or harder over the years without nearly the uproar. What about Anderson passing Seely at A1 in the 250 class years ago? Last lap, pass for the win, super similar. Reed and Canard? Dungey and Stewart? Tomac has passed a ton of guys just as hard. I'm actually *not* a fan of hard block passes (just not my style) but know they happen pretty often in MX and sort of the way it goes.

What I am surprised by is how badly Tomac reacted after the fact. For someone that's been one of the 'top guys' for his entire career and doled out plenty of hard passes, he way overreacted. He's insanely fast and talented but the only reason he doesn't have multiple 450 championships is himself.

The fact he got this worked up is telling. Guy is more emotional than he lets on...
Dan-The-Man 4/23/2018 9:18pm
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Alex.434 wrote:
Literally can't believe people are so worked up over that pass. Have seen COUNTLESS passes that were as hard or harder over the years without nearly...
Literally can't believe people are so worked up over that pass. Have seen COUNTLESS passes that were as hard or harder over the years without nearly the uproar. What about Anderson passing Seely at A1 in the 250 class years ago? Last lap, pass for the win, super similar. Reed and Canard? Dungey and Stewart? Tomac has passed a ton of guys just as hard. I'm actually *not* a fan of hard block passes (just not my style) but know they happen pretty often in MX and sort of the way it goes.

What I am surprised by is how badly Tomac reacted after the fact. For someone that's been one of the 'top guys' for his entire career and doled out plenty of hard passes, he way overreacted. He's insanely fast and talented but the only reason he doesn't have multiple 450 championships is himself.

The fact he got this worked up is telling. Guy is more emotional than he lets on...
Anderson's pass on Seely at A1 was not even close to the same. As a matter of fact, none of your examples are even close to similar. I'm shocked after so many years of following the sport you think they are the same. I'm all for hard racing and block passes. Musquin pulled an Alessi, he just didn't have to dump the clutch to take him out.
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kiwifan 4/23/2018 9:56pm
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rileymx wrote:
just at the end of last years championship, we all saw a grown man put down a kid for the win of the kids class, he...
just at the end of last years championship, we all saw a grown man put down a kid for the win of the kids class, he was an hero !!! he was brilliant !!!!
now it was a "frenchie" on a "pumpkin", and it wasnt on the last lap of the last race, which does'nt mean it was not also for the championship.....but still lots of drama and lots of name calling......even from noticables of the american sport.....
but for me the funny shit is that i remember, not that long ago, lots of people here claiming marvin and ken as americans and even choosing them for the american "losing" mxdn team......
what ??? there is no doble standard, and defineatly not foreign hate, it is all normal and very sporty !!!!... we non american are the ones who hate and disrespect the great american nation !!!!!!
and i am quoting "bultaco" just because i know what i am going to get from my post......but he did'nt !!!!!!
I agree that this has absolutely nothing to do with the bike Marvin is on or where he was born, what Tomac did wrong was to allow an opportunity for Marvin to make the pass, Marvin did nothing wrong at all...lets move on
DrinkMoreWater 4/23/2018 11:46pm
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It wasn't the worst move I've seen, I'm a fan of both riders I've seen this same move happen many times in SX.

However Eli brought up a very good point, where is the like drawn in what is too much? 5k fine is nothing and absolutely they should consider docking points over fining riders.

mm's move was I guess not horrible in those passes either the rider goes down or stays up.

It was nothing like Reed's hits on Stewart's which I believe should be point docking worthy.
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TeamGreen wrote:
What, exactly, does the AMA need to “keep notes” about regarding Marvin’s riding? Another thing, when did aggressive passing become such a whine-fest nanny-gate ordeal? Yes...
What, exactly, does the AMA need to “keep notes” about regarding Marvin’s riding?

Another thing, when did aggressive passing become such a whine-fest nanny-gate ordeal?

Yes! Marvin made an aggressive move!
No! He DID NOT “T-Bone” Eli.

And a question for the gallery: do ya really think this pass was THAT bad?
No, the pass wasn't really that bad. I think Eli turned a little tighter than Marv expected, and it made the contact worse than he intended.

Emig said that he would have done the same thing as Marvin. He also said he would be pissed if he was Eli. I agree with Emig.

Rubbin is racing, LOL.
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TerryB 4/24/2018 5:43am
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TeamGreen wrote:
What, exactly, does the AMA need to “keep notes” about regarding Marvin’s riding? Another thing, when did aggressive passing become such a whine-fest nanny-gate ordeal? Yes...
What, exactly, does the AMA need to “keep notes” about regarding Marvin’s riding?

Another thing, when did aggressive passing become such a whine-fest nanny-gate ordeal?

Yes! Marvin made an aggressive move!
No! He DID NOT “T-Bone” Eli.

And a question for the gallery: do ya really think this pass was THAT bad?
The Millenial/Participation Trophy Generation is all grown up, and they are triggered. They need their safe-place. Aggression! Toxic Masculinity! They will foist their SJW Pansey-ism on MX/SX as well. One post even suggested that MM didn’t give Tomac “enough warning”. Wait for it: signalling your intentions, and permission to pass, coming to an MX track near you.

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mattseaton90 wrote:
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid. He needs to realign his position in the...
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid.

He needs to realign his position in the sport with his ego and expectation. He's certainly no MC/RC/RV/RD, and he never will be.
Helder wrote:
put the pipe down bro, when he is on he smokes RD and would smoke RV!
plowboy wrote:
Don't disagree....but he's just not "on enough".
I'd have to say RD and RV's 4 SX Championships to ET3's 0 would say they're "on it" a helluva lot more than he is
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JB 19 wrote:
Times like these sure bring out the internet tough guys. Calling Tomac or Musquin a pussy is pretty funny. I wonder how many of you guys...
Times like these sure bring out the internet tough guys. Calling Tomac or Musquin a pussy is pretty funny. I wonder how many of you guys have taken as many chances in your whole life as they do in one day of Supercross racing. Laughing .......most guys in here would probably shit their pants if they had to stare down a 3-4 rhythm section.
Couldn't agree more. Through the yrs. what I've found out is the guys that do the most talking have been the biggest cowards & can't back up the diarrhea that comes out of their mouths .. With today's technology they hide behind a keyboard & monitor..
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GuyB wrote:
No, there was no protest from Monster Energy Kawasaki. Not to say they liked it... I checked in with the AMA truck after the race. Marv's...
No, there was no protest from Monster Energy Kawasaki.

Not to say they liked it...

I checked in with the AMA truck after the race. Marv's riding was noted, but there was no fine/penalty, etc.
...his pass was “noted”? Shit I would think it would be well received, seeing all of the attention it is getting.

I’m sure most older folks here have seen the Paul Newman movie “ Slapshot”- If not, go find it, because it may apply to this sport...
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Bultaco wrote:
No it was not “that” bad. It was not even bad bad. Marvin took the line. Eli made it look worse because he fell over. (Gravity...
No it was not “that” bad. It was not even bad bad. Marvin took the line. Eli made it look worse because he fell over. (Gravity works like that sometimes). Everyone’s shorts are knotted up because a non-American riding a non-japenese bike, trying to win a race, caused the incident.
rileymx wrote:
just at the end of last years championship, we all saw a grown man put down a kid for the win of the kids class, he...
just at the end of last years championship, we all saw a grown man put down a kid for the win of the kids class, he was an hero !!! he was brilliant !!!!
now it was a "frenchie" on a "pumpkin", and it wasnt on the last lap of the last race, which does'nt mean it was not also for the championship.....but still lots of drama and lots of name calling......even from noticables of the american sport.....
but for me the funny shit is that i remember, not that long ago, lots of people here claiming marvin and ken as americans and even choosing them for the american "losing" mxdn team......
what ??? there is no doble standard, and defineatly not foreign hate, it is all normal and very sporty !!!!... we non american are the ones who hate and disrespect the great american nation !!!!!!
and i am quoting "bultaco" just because i know what i am going to get from my post......but he did'nt !!!!!!
kids class? really? Blink

Andy_Greenney 4/24/2018 9:29am
4/24/2018 9:29am Edited Date/Time 4/24/2018 9:31am
TerryB wrote:
The Millenial/Participation Trophy Generation is all grown up, and they are triggered. They need their safe-place. Aggression! Toxic Masculinity! They will foist their SJW Pansey-ism on...
The Millenial/Participation Trophy Generation is all grown up, and they are triggered. They need their safe-place. Aggression! Toxic Masculinity! They will foist their SJW Pansey-ism on MX/SX as well. One post even suggested that MM didn’t give Tomac “enough warning”. Wait for it: signalling your intentions, and permission to pass, coming to an MX track near you.

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mattseaton90 4/24/2018 10:42am
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mattseaton90 wrote:
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid. He needs to realign his position in the...
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid.

He needs to realign his position in the sport with his ego and expectation. He's certainly no MC/RC/RV/RD, and he never will be.
GuyB wrote:
For what? Actually stating his opinion? If he didn't say anything you'd likely gripe about that, too. Sometimes you're in situations where you're not going to...
For what? Actually stating his opinion? If he didn't say anything you'd likely gripe about that, too.

Sometimes you're in situations where you're not going to make anyone happy...like now.
It’s not his ‘stating what he thought’, it’s his childish attitude, laughing sarcastically at questions, giving sarcky head shakes etc.

The guys supposed to be ‘the best’ in the game right now (apparently results do lie) and he came apart once again, when he’s supposed to be interacting with the media and representing his sponsors. He is all ego despite not really delivering Monster Kawasaki with anything but headaches and hollow race wins. They’d trade him in for the RV years again in a heartbeat.
mattseaton90 4/24/2018 10:44am
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The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid. He needs to realign his position in the...
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid.

He needs to realign his position in the sport with his ego and expectation. He's certainly no MC/RC/RV/RD, and he never will be.
Helder wrote:
put the pipe down bro, when he is on he smokes RD and would smoke RV!
What alternative universe do you live in?

If he keeps on as he is now, he’ll be forgotten real fast when he retires. Unless it’s for ‘most potential with least outcome’, which is a trophy I’m sure he’d love to put over the fireplace.
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mattseaton90 wrote:
It’s not his ‘stating what he thought’, it’s his childish attitude, laughing sarcastically at questions, giving sarcky head shakes etc. The guys supposed to be ‘the...
It’s not his ‘stating what he thought’, it’s his childish attitude, laughing sarcastically at questions, giving sarcky head shakes etc.

The guys supposed to be ‘the best’ in the game right now (apparently results do lie) and he came apart once again, when he’s supposed to be interacting with the media and representing his sponsors. He is all ego despite not really delivering Monster Kawasaki with anything but headaches and hollow race wins. They’d trade him in for the RV years again in a heartbeat.
One thing I've noticed over the years. Winners hate losing almost as much (if not more) than they love winning.

Eli made a clean pass on Marvin, and got blasted on the last lap. I can fully understand why he'd be upset. I also get why Marvin went for it, even if it wasn't the most elegant pass attempt I've ever seen him make.

Personally, I love that these guys are going for it, and also speaking their minds. It's unfortunate that the venue didn't have a mic for the media folks, so you could actually hear the questions that they're responding to.

You're acting like you have some kind of inside info from the team. True? Or just projecting what you think they're thinking?
mattseaton90 4/24/2018 11:56am
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GuyB wrote:
One thing I've noticed over the years. Winners hate losing almost as much (if not more) than they love winning. Eli made a clean pass on...
One thing I've noticed over the years. Winners hate losing almost as much (if not more) than they love winning.

Eli made a clean pass on Marvin, and got blasted on the last lap. I can fully understand why he'd be upset. I also get why Marvin went for it, even if it wasn't the most elegant pass attempt I've ever seen him make.

Personally, I love that these guys are going for it, and also speaking their minds. It's unfortunate that the venue didn't have a mic for the media folks, so you could actually hear the questions that they're responding to.

You're acting like you have some kind of inside info from the team. True? Or just projecting what you think they're thinking?
No insider information I'm afraid, just plain ol' conjecture from me. A guesstimation, perhaps.

But I just can't help but feel like Monster Kawi grabbed themselves a bit of a dud with this guy. You win championships on your bad days, and my god are this guys bad days bad. Not to mention his general attitude to even being on the bike.
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mattseaton90 wrote:
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid. He needs to realign his position in the...
The only 'incident' I saw was in the press conference, with Eli acting like a petulant little kid.

He needs to realign his position in the sport with his ego and expectation. He's certainly no MC/RC/RV/RD, and he never will be.
Helder wrote:
put the pipe down bro, when he is on he smokes RD and would smoke RV!
RV and RD were both able to win multiple championships, something Eli hasn't been able to do. As for all out speed sure he was able to beat Dungey multiple races but never over a full series. As for RV, Eli wouldn't be able to beat him in a series or all out speed. Maybe occasionally but RV had that blend of all out speed and consistency
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Tomac is acting like Westbrook

stfu and ride (play)
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From all the tough guy talk on here, what Tomac should have done is ghost his bike into Marvin after the race instead of just tossing his grip in the air, you know, Kiedrowski style. That way, Marvins lack of being able to make a corner after he looses his mind, and Eli's bad attempt at a press conference, after said crushing from Mr. Musquin, would all make sense........
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Somehow I believe Marvin's day is coming. Maybe not in the SX series but it's coming. I bet Marvin knows that too.
2018 is going to be a long season.
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cody331 4/24/2018 7:47pm
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The only thing I've gathered from this week are the same people who have criticized Seely for never doing/saying anything when Anderson punted him are the ones calling Tomac a cry baby after last weekend.....
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Helder wrote:
put the pipe down bro, when he is on he smokes RD and would smoke RV!
plowboy wrote:
Don't disagree....but he's just not "on enough".
bultokid wrote:
I'd have to say RD and RV's 4 SX Championships to ET3's 0 would say they're "on it" a helluva lot more than he is
Yep, and he even had this season set up to him on a silver platter. Ken coming in off major injury, no dunge, JA and Marv bickering over top spot with Aldon. He should've ran away with this championship, but Eli is going to Eli...
PClaerhout 4/24/2018 8:15pm
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He's not mentally strong. Hes bringing up last year? Reverse roles and hed have done the same, Josh Grant. Still hung up, for what? Same thing saturday...roles reversed hed of done the same, Cooper Webb. (How did CW react in press conference, but isn't 'well liked')And yeah may of been in response to him crossjumping, but isn't a win more important than welcoming someone to the 450 class? So yes, hed do the same. Then he asked "where do you draw the line, I mean for real?"....I guess the answer is when it's done to HIM. Not like worse hasn't happened this year, or in years past. He knows all this. Comes off as spoiled, entitled, and immature.
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plowboy wrote:
Don't disagree....but he's just not "on enough".
bultokid wrote:
I'd have to say RD and RV's 4 SX Championships to ET3's 0 would say they're "on it" a helluva lot more than he is
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Yep, and he even had this season set up to him on a silver platter. Ken coming in off major injury, no dunge, JA and Marv...
Yep, and he even had this season set up to him on a silver platter. Ken coming in off major injury, no dunge, JA and Marv bickering over top spot with Aldon. He should've ran away with this championship, but Eli is going to Eli...
Season set up on a silver platter? Musquin won the ME Cup last year - won all 3 races and won $1M. He didn't lose a single race that night. He also won the Red Bull Straight Rhythm last fall by not losing a single race to anyone the entire night. When it comes to SX, Marvin was dominant coming into the season and had everything dialed. Saying Eli had the season set up to him on a silver platter is ridiculous. I'd say Eli was one of top 3 candidates to win the championship between him, MM, and JA. But handed on a silver platter? Ridiculous. I had my money on MM25 taking it based on how he rode SX coming into the season.

I'd love for Eli to come out next weekend and play bumper cars with a few riders and test the waters on how much the AMA will tolerate and "where they draw the line". All the internet tough guys would have to then admit how much Eli was "just going for the win" and "making it happen" then say "don't leave the door open" to the other riders. Eli said he "isn't going to do anything stupid", but you can bet your ass he will never treat Marvin with the respect he has in the past. In the future, guaranteed he will take him out if necessary to get a win.

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