ALTA, what will be the one think stopping you buying one?

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4/18/2018 1:38pm
pros:
quiet
fast
judging from JHill's instagram, i will have to beat the pussy away with a bat

cons:
quiet
battery
judging from JHill's instagram, i will have to beat the pussy away with a bat
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4/18/2018 1:47pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
The fact that it's an electric bike. I love internal combustion engines.
This ^^^^
4/18/2018 1:48pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2018 1:50pm
Wife. But I think I have that taken care of! Hopefully picking up an MXR next weekend!

I usually ride at 6 am for an hour or so before I go to work so the battery life is a Non-Issue for me. I also have a KTM 300XC that i can ride if I'm going for longer rides
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4/18/2018 1:59pm
FWYT wrote:
Same reason I don't buy every motorcycle I like.

$$$$$

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
Same. I plan on buying one eventually.

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4/18/2018 2:08pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2018 2:08pm
Right now my main concern is the re-sale value..while I realize the resale value on any motocross bike is crap, I worry I buy this bike for $11,000+ and they do a major update or sell themselves, or worse- go out of business and suddenly its worth nothing..

I bought my YZ450 left over for ~$6700 out the door and maybe its still worth $4500- I can stomach losing a couple thousand. Spend $11,000+ out the door and its worth $4500 after 2 or 3 years I am out $7000+.


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I’ve been riding and racing bikes for 50 years MXR out of the box is the quickest cornering bike I’ve ever been on. You do not feel the weight of the bike out on the track. You notice the weight as you are pushing around the pit and loading. It doesn’t free wheel so you feel the drag of the motor which makes it feel heavier. Learning the new techniques has brought back the fun factor in riding again. The fun factor alone is well worth the dollars spent. Before you go all negative on one you need to try one out and see if you can get the smile off your face.
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4/18/2018 2:57pm
Range
Weight
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4/18/2018 3:14pm
To me it would be like shooting a .22 after shooting an ar15
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Lol!! I love this analogy
‘Tis a good one, however I’ve ridden one and feel as though it’s more like going from a typical AR to one with a suppressor on it. Still an AR just a bit quieter Wink
4/18/2018 3:20pm
It's all about down time for me. If they made the battery easy to change out at the track and the bike came with an extra, there would be no gripes about having to stop riding to charge. Just change the battery out, put the used one on the charger while you go ride more!
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4/18/2018 3:31pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2018 3:31pm
Wife. But I think I have that taken care of! Hopefully picking up an MXR next weekend! I usually ride at 6 am for an hour...
Wife. But I think I have that taken care of! Hopefully picking up an MXR next weekend!

I usually ride at 6 am for an hour or so before I go to work so the battery life is a Non-Issue for me. I also have a KTM 300XC that i can ride if I'm going for longer rides
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Sorry man, just pulling your leg.
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4/18/2018 3:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2018 3:33pm
No clutch, and short ride time before charging......
Cost, Short Range, No Way To Clutch The Power For Techincal Riding! Otherwise, I would consider it.


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The concept is very interesting. There are a ton of positives, like no noise, less maintenance (maybe), no clutch, tons of torque on demand..... The no clutch thing seems odd to me.

The negatives would be, battery life, cost, unproven technologies, suspension maybe, it will be outdated in 6-12 months and the new one will be 10x better.

I can see all the OEM's jumping in the pool soon. Gas Gas (Torrot), and Beta will have one I am sure very soon, KTM is working on them now, Yamaha has a Trials bike already to go. You know Honda will have one at some point.

I would wait until some of the competitors release theirs and see if they are a big improvement over the Alta. If you have to have one now be aware that you are an early adopter and the technology will move quickly from here. You may get stuck with a electric bike that is obsolete much sooner than a gas burner.
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4/18/2018 3:35pm
The fact that I can't enter it in AMA MX nationals. One more comeback at 60.
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No clutch, and short ride time before charging......
Moto_Geek wrote:
Cost, Short Range, No Way To Clutch The Power For Techincal Riding! Otherwise, I would consider it.


Ride it and see. The clutch is only a quick fix for not having enough torque which is not a problem the Alta has.
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4/18/2018 3:38pm
xr70 wrote:
Honestly I was thinking about one , it maybe fun to own one . But I really dislike the WP suspension. I did not like them...
Honestly I was thinking about one , it maybe fun to own one . But I really dislike the WP suspension. I did not like them on my KTM and I won't like them on the Alta . Just mine opinion.
As of now the main thing stopping me is the fact that they are the only company producing a competitive electric bike right now. We know the big 5 have these bikes and are keeping a close eye on them, and some possibly developing their own. I don't want to drop $10k on the Alta and have KTM or Yamaha drop one in 2019 for $7500 that blows the Alta away.
Competition is a great thing for consumers. I've been an early adopter of products before and gotten burned in the same fashion. I will let the others get something out there before I pull the trigger.

That said, I have every intention of buying one once MX Sports fully releases details on how they will structure an electric class. I feel like getting on one the first year they are allowed at Loretta's is my only true shot at ever making it. I'm trying for 30+ next year, but I honestly don't have the speed.
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4/18/2018 3:39pm
Price, range, with the rate that the Technology is moving whatever you buy will be obsolete in 6 months.
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4/18/2018 3:40pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2018 3:41pm
I'd love too, in the conditions I race (off-road) that tractable torque is amazing. What wouldn't be amazing...
-range/recharge time. I literally couldn't finish a race let alone training/fun/playing days.
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4/18/2018 4:26pm
Setting up a demo ride as we speak. Aluminum Siding's in great shape!
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It was price, then they dropped it and released the MXR model and I told myself that would be my next bike. Then I was trying to talk myself out of it for many of the reasons I hear echoed here... there will be a better one next year, risk of a new manufacturer, etc, etc. Then I got to ride one and thats all she wrote, put a deposit down the next day on one. They wont fit everyones needs yet as far as range, but hold all other judgements till you try one.
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I will wait and see what resale value is like........I hope its not like golf carts where they are worth nothing with a worn out battery, and if you spend thousands on a new battery....you may as well keep it. I havent ridden one or have even been close to one, but I look at the electric cars.........Once the expensive battery is used up what does it cost to dispose of it ? what does a new battery cost and is it worth it to buy an expensive battery so you can get more than a couple grand for a used one.

I don't care about cost, I care about value.......I do not want to spend 10 k on a bike that is worthless after a few years because it needs a new battery. I let the trailblazers buy the first ones, then decide if new or used is for me.

I've heard many a salesman tell me what the lifespan is of a part.....only to buy it and realize the actual lifespan is half what they said. I'll wait till the price comes down and there are some long term high hour bikes out there to see the real lifespan of things.
4/18/2018 5:25pm
Purely from a moto stand point...

Cons:
Weight (electric stand?)
No 2T exhaust note
Have to buy 220v generator
Still have to lube the chain & change tires (boo hoo)

Pros:
Do not have to buy race fuel
Do not have to buy lubricants
Do not have to buy air filters
Do not have to buy aftermarket exhaust
Do not have to buy oil filters

Do not have to change oil
Do not have to change filters
No repacking of exhaust
No jetting ( I am a 2T guy)
No engine maintenance

Relatively fast recharge time

I am probably in for next year...

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4/18/2018 6:01pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2018 6:03pm
When I think of Motorsports Racing... I don’t think about an electric motor outside of one used to start an internal combustion motor. I really don’t believe this is the future of motorcycle racing for many reasons barring some kind of California-like ignorant law against internal combustion engines that wouldn’t go countrywide anyway.

That said... I don’t discount the “to each his/her own” statement as I think they would be fun to ride as a secondary bike to jack around on while others may look at them to race. I do believe they need to allow them to race once they find a way to prove that they could be legal in various classes other than Open classes.

Electric cars have been around for years and now Tesla is looking to file bankruptcy and the mass majority of vehicles are still gas burners or diesel. Again... there is a Niche market for them but I don’t see them overtaking the 4 strokes or even the 2 Strokes for that matter. The biggest market they may have would probably be with the 50 classes, imo.

Why I wouldnt buy one can’t be narrowed down to just one reason.

1. Run times on a charge is not sufficient to have one as a primary bike.

2. Is the perceived value worth the cost of the bike? For us, it is not when considering an Alta (My son rides TMs, so I’m willing to pay more as long as I believe my ROI is actually worth it.)

3. Limited classes to run them in until Alta agrees to play nice wth the AMA to prove output capabilities to open up more classes to them.

4. Then comes the more minor annoyances: Not a high quality look to it, no clutch, no noise (big picture it will deter fans from attending pro events). IMO, We would witness the complete demise of the sport because it completely changes the Motorsports Racing dynamic to a glorified BMX race. I don’t recall filling football stadiums to watch bmx Racing.
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4/18/2018 6:16pm
The only thing stopping me is that the nearest dealer is 3.5 hours away.
4/18/2018 7:22pm
Lack of dealer in my area.
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Wife. But I think I have that taken care of! Hopefully picking up an MXR next weekend! I usually ride at 6 am for an hour...
Wife. But I think I have that taken care of! Hopefully picking up an MXR next weekend!

I usually ride at 6 am for an hour or so before I go to work so the battery life is a Non-Issue for me. I also have a KTM 300XC that i can ride if I'm going for longer rides
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Sorry man, just pulling your leg.
My wife said it was her or the Alta. I bought this yesterday:
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4/18/2018 7:58pm
Price and battery life.
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4/19/2018 12:38am
1. Price
3. WP (yes, 3)
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4/19/2018 12:45am
That water cooled ECU is very tempting
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In the short term? Financial reasons aside, it sounds like they're getting really close - but I'd like to see the technology and overall bang for...
In the short term? Financial reasons aside, it sounds like they're getting really close - but I'd like to see the technology and overall bang for the buck improve a little more before I'd be ready to commit...

In the long term? Nothing. Bring it on. eBikes are the future and I firmly believe they will save the sport. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably also thinks global warming is a bunch of hog wash.

btw.... anyone who hasn't listened to Matthes interview with DC somewhere around hour 2-3 of this weeks PulpMX Show about DC's experience ripping an Alta around High Point and his thoughts on where all this eBike stuff is headed - I highly, highly recommend you give it a listen. Good stuff.
Does anyone have a link for the PulpMX show referenced?
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Range and a plate would be cool.

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