Upgrade to enjoy this feature!
Vital MX fantasy is free to play, but Premium users receive great benefits. Premium benefits include:
- View and download rider stats
- Pick trends
- Create a private league
- And more!
Only $10 for all 2026 SX, MX, and SMX series.
"Even if MX Sports wants Altas on the line, the homologation rules prevent that from happening. No conspiracy, no OEM dictator pulling the strings, no dislike of e-bikes. Just a simple application of rules that have been in place for many years."
You are wrong. Open classes have no homologation requirement, only Limited classes so that is a smokescreen.
* We have to switch to legal emissions bikes or the sport will die
* KTM develops a DI 2t
* Alta and others make E-bikes
* Now that we have emissions capable bikes, the goal post has been moved.
The list of who hasn't tested and reviewed Alta's in the industry press is much smaller than those that have. Yet we have no data.
In the meantime, I'm sure DC would sell MX Sports for the right price. Would probably be a relief at this point.
But Alta is wanting to race 250 SX, not Open LL. That's where everyone wants to be careful not to set precedent.
I'm not in the country. Carry on.
DC
Racer X
Look around at all of the tracks that are no longer open to see why the AMA is as useless as tits on a bull.
Add the "production rule" debacle, the displacement debacle, the Supercross promotion ownership debacle, the Honda RS750 debacle, and pretty much anything the AMA has touched has gone to Hell in a hand basket.
It's a hard sport to love sometimes when you see what it was, what it could have been, and what it has become.
The Shop
DeCal Works Huge Plastic Inventory of UFO and Polisport kits.
Luxon 4-Post Bar Mounts
$189.95 - $239.95
The concern stated for the LL Nationals by the usage of a Supplemental Rule to remove the Alta's even from the open classes in (the highest level) of amateur racing is a lack of information and data and has created this dissent many are expressing.
I wanted to gather some( previously classified
http://racerxonline.com/2018/03/02/racer-x-films-2018-alta-motors-redsh…
https://www.vitalmx.com/product/guide/Bikes,6/Alta-Motors/RedShift-MXR,…
https://www.dirtrider.com/2016-alta-motors-redshift-mx-electric-bike-re…
https://motocross.transworld.net/news/2018-alta-motors-redshift-mxr-fir…
https://motocrossactionmag.com/testnew/ have been very shy about it
http://www.cyclenews.com/2017/05/article/2017-alta-redshift-mx-first-te…
http://www.motorcycle.com/features/2018-alta-motors-redshift-mx-and-mxr…
https://www.cycleworld.com/2018-alta-redshift-mxr-first-ride
https://www.dirtrider.com/2018-alta-redshift-ex-review
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/alta-redshift-mx-first-ride-motor…
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/2018-alta-redshift-ex-review/ss-AA…
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictures/2018-alta-motors-redshift-mxr-gi…
https://dirtbiketest.com/fresh-dirt/first-ride-impression-2017-alta-red…
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/12/19/alta-motor-electric-redshift-wins-…
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/reviews/2018-alta-redshift-mxr-review/
https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1254666-2018-alta-redshift-mxr-rev…
https://adventuremotorcycle.com/news/alta-motors-redshift-mxr-release
https://www.dirtbikerider.com/news/motocross/first-ride-2018-alta-redsh…
https://www.dirtbikerider.com/new-products/first-ride-2018-alta-redshif…
http://pulpmx.com/podcast/show-47-first-impression-2018-alta-redshift-m…
http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23075
OK you get the point. This is likely the MOST press, including mainstream of any new MX model ever. The bikes were demo'd at LL last year. Most of us have never seen this much information on ANY bike we have ever purchased. The threads on Vital are filled with real world experience including racing for anyone with Google. Please don't act like this just snuck up on everyone, and insult our intelligence.
Let’s not fault MX Sports, Racer X, Dave’y for looking out for their best interest $$$$
But please don’t treat us like idiots.
In a perfect world the least attended class at qualifiers and therefore the least popular class would be eliminated, and an e-bike class added. I'd wager a guess one of the female classes would be eliminated to make room.
We shouldn't all go crazy about the bike's eligibility at LL. If interested in the bike, find a way to buy one. If sales spike upwards, eventually there will be enough pressure placed on race promoters to allow them at all levels. If the bike is not allowed, boycott those events and ride for fun. Money talks.
This could be a way to save the sport and preserve it for future generations. We all know that financially we are on an unsustainable path at the amateur level with four-stroke equipment. The noise issue with four-strokes will not go away.
In a perfect world we would have stuck with affordable two-strokes. That said, e-bikes may be the next best thing!
Davey is correct when he said that Alta wanted the bike to be legal in the 250 class. However, that was for the 2017 MX model which was the first production Alta. Now that the new 2018 MXR is available, with more horsepower on the dyno, it is positioned as a 350 equivalent. So Alta would be happy for the 2018 MXR to be classified to race against 350's or 450's in any Open cc class.
I totally respect the position MX Sports has taken and I value the long standing relationship I have with Davey and his crew at MX Sports. Two of my kids have raced at Loretta's and one is trying to get there this year. My wife would love to go every year, kids or no kids or husband to cheer for. She loves that place (specially the creek) and loves the event. If not this year, I'm confident that Alta's will be buzzing around the ranch in the very near future.
Concerning Alta's at only local events. You will see them there. One raced at legendary Rio Bravo in Houston last weekend and one will be racing at Freestone this weekend. You will also see them at AMA "Major Events" throughout the year. If my 2018 demo's would have been delivered a couple of days earlier, there would have been one at the James Stewart Spring Championship.
By the way, since I am in sales, let me finish on a sales point. If any of you want to demo an Alta in my territory (South Central U.S), please contact me. I will make sure it happens. I have my demo's out at the tracks frequently in the Houston area (3 Palms, Rio, Freedom), but if you are anywhere in the South Central U.S, and want to test ride one, please contact me. My info is below.
I have set up a great network of dealers in my territory, and if you know of a dealership that you think would represent Alta well, please let me know.
Thanks!
Larry Hughes
281.541.2767
Lhughes1162@gmail.com
Why would it matter then? Is there a worry that out of no where 100 of them will show up in the age or letter classes?
American innovation and engineering should be promoted in racing in the USA, not stifled because you're worried about setting the wrong precedent.
When you make the rules, you can change them at will. Let them in with the 250's, if they're out of place, simply move them to the 450's. FIM does this with WSBK and it's been successful. If a certain engine size makes too much power (Ducati with the 1298), they simply implemented rules to slow them down.
Pit Row
If they were allowed to line up in SX and the Nationals with equal riders they can win. The guys at Alta must walk around with wheelbarrows, as you have to have huge huevos (plus be a little bit crazy) to start a motorcycle company in the USA. I have no doubt they could make a few mods and have the MXR competitive with anything on the line.
If you have a chance, take Larry's offer to ride a MXR. It will change how you look at things. The bike is that good.
It's easy to pick on Alta, they're a small tech start up who struck gold but don't have a following, a massive profit, or influence in the industry that the big brands have. Tesla and Xero are two other companies who have entered massive markets as the small guy and are doing battle.
American Engineers producing an American built bike is a damn good thing to hang your hat on. As with the 2 strokes, speak with your wallet and the people beating the drums will listen. In this regard, buy an Alta, go race and let it be known you won't support the AMA nor MXsports because they won't support America.
It's hard to not let something race when the issue is so few want to race.
History of the Alta - Show #14
First Impession: Redshift MXR - Show #47
Edit: Michael Lindsay's 45 min. audio https://p.vitalmx.com/audios/68/altaindepth.mp3?1520008249
is a great one too that's part of Vital's review.
MX Sports' ban on E-bikes seems to have not drawn much negativity at all towards Alta's effort. Seems to be quite the opposite...and from "die hard MX" fans too. Moto guys/gals are a different breed, contrarians at times, if you will. They like choices and not being told what to do. I'll always have a 2-stroke and a 4-stroke, but am I looking forward to trying something new, that works differently (if not better), that I can ride more places, year round? Hell yes.
Why do they have to compete against ICE bikes at all? How about their own class. Electric should race electric. You can get every PHD creating every formula on this planet but you are not going to be able to make it as fair and even as its currently done by CCs. It’s apples to oranges, even more probably something like apples to bricks. If their product is good enough then there should be plenty sold to make their own classes. If it’s as good as they say the recent massive price drop alone should put many more in the hands of consumers and the tracks will have no problem filling gates with them. Who wouldn’t want a bike that gave them a huge advantage, isn’t this why thousands are spent on aftermarket parts and tuning now? The more I think about it this seems the only way to go. I think all this trying to force them into current classes is so assholes can brag and say see I told you it was better that your old piece of shit.
That being said if tracks want to have a run what you brung race, and fuel burners want to line up against electric bikes, well good luck and more power to you.
Personally I think they are pretty cool and probably a blast to ride but for the life of me I cant see how watching a supercross race on TV where the only sound is Jeff and Ralph’s voice or being there watching live with no sound of an ICE 4T or 2T. I can see it now as Ralph says “there goes Eli picking off another” as the camera pans a silent shot of Eli blasting down the whoops while Jeff struggles to think of something to fill the silence with. Again, I am not knocking the Alta as I think it’s a neat bike that has its place but from the prospective of a fan watching a race I don’t think there would be even half the excitement without the sound or being there live and feeling the vibrations as they fly by. I think more than ever I am happy with my old piece of shit. I love the sound, the smell of my 2 stroke exhaust, and knowing everyone else is not riding the exact same bike as me. I’m sure I’m probably in the minority on this, but it is only my opinion.
I mean the fans go nuts in pro cyclocross and mtb etc. Just take the cowbells
Sure, a sweetly tuned 2 stroke is music to my ears.
Post a reply to: MX Sports & Electric Motorcycles