Ready for a Chinese 250 2-Stroke MX'er?

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outerlimits 3/16/2018 10:38am
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There are a few threads on these bikes on Advrider and a number of owners that previously had modern Japanese and Euro bikes that have raved about them (the 4 strokes). This one uses a copy of a KTM/Husky frame and a virtual duplicate of an older Yamaha DT230 engine...6 speed, e-start, oil injection with an electronic operated servo power valve. The suspension is unique, but a tuner said the units on a current bike look to be a hybrid of Showa/KYB and the present version uses 47mm tubes which accept Honda seals. The suspension reviews have been very good. This 2 stroke is not a race bike though, think of it as what the KDX should be if it was still made...lots of low end torque. They will be using the same rolling chassis for this bike, the 250F efi enduro, and a 230cc air cooled 4-stroke. As far as the air cooler goes, to me it will give a family zero reason to every buy a new CRF230F or TTR230. The 2-stroke will be the most expensive of all of them simply due to the fact that it's a newly developed (copied) motor that will be in low volume compared to all the other motors they sell. These bikes aren't game changers, just a cheaper alternative to get out and ride. They're not the same old crappy China bikes you've come to know.
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BobbyM 3/16/2018 10:54am
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2 Trick Rick wrote:
Sorry, but the engine needed to be fuzzed out. But its basically a Husky (KTM) roller with a 250cc 2-Stroke engine. The manufacture builds the these...
Sorry, but the engine needed to be fuzzed out. But its basically a Husky (KTM) roller with a 250cc 2-Stroke engine. The manufacture builds the these motors for a O.E.M. so parts and quality should be as good as any OEM. It's not a "Race" engine but can be made to put out H.P. you like.. think enduro power plant.

This sport needs a fun entry level machine .. could this be it? I don't have the answer, but figured I would share the pic

125cc MSRP 4100.00 USD
250cc MSRP 4800.00 USD
300cc MSRP 5500.00 USD



Looks like a Rollsknardly or the legendary Italian marque Runzzoni.! Sweet
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BobbyM 3/16/2018 10:59am
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2 Trick Rick wrote:
Sorry, but the engine needed to be fuzzed out. But its basically a Husky (KTM) roller with a 250cc 2-Stroke engine. The manufacture builds the these...
Sorry, but the engine needed to be fuzzed out. But its basically a Husky (KTM) roller with a 250cc 2-Stroke engine. The manufacture builds the these motors for a O.E.M. so parts and quality should be as good as any OEM. It's not a "Race" engine but can be made to put out H.P. you like.. think enduro power plant.

This sport needs a fun entry level machine .. could this be it? I don't have the answer, but figured I would share the pic

125cc MSRP 4100.00 USD
250cc MSRP 4800.00 USD
300cc MSRP 5500.00 USD



The price will soon be doubled courtesy of TT's
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CrGuy2T 3/16/2018 11:02am
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Parts will be cheap any way! ?

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.kyle 3/16/2018 11:56am
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Given the rubbish that comes out of china, I'm not sure I'd want to trust a full size bike made of chineseium alloy.
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RCF 3/16/2018 12:13pm
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If you watch the movie on Any Sunday they were saying the same thing about Japanese bikes that are being said about this bike.
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Hopefully it brings a new niche a new lineup of bikes that arent 10k new. Yamaha should be doing that with their 13 year old 2018s as it is. They are vintage bikes as it is.

More mfgs could bring out dirtbikes that arent geared to just the racers.

And maybe tracks can build tracks not just for the lorettas racers.

Imagine that maybe we can get people riding again
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TymeMoto 3/16/2018 12:58pm
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3 hours on that bike before something goes wrong
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outerlimits 3/16/2018 1:09pm
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TymeMoto wrote:
3 hours on that bike before something goes wrong
Maybe, but how often have we heard of not just "something" going wrong, but something catastrophic on a brand new bike from one of the major manufacturers? These pages are littered with threads like that for virtually every brand.
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CrGuy2T wrote:
Parts will be cheap any way! ?
If you can get parts
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Motofinne 3/16/2018 1:16pm
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Just because something is from China doesn't make it complete garbage.

In that case a lot of European and American brands products would be garbage(because they are made there).

With that said. The likelihood that the bike is garbage is probably high. But i'm 100% certain that we will have very high quality Chinese bikes in the future, probably when the electric bike era is in full swing.
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r.sal923 3/16/2018 2:12pm
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Motofinne wrote:
Looks promising as a bike for the woods and trails. MX? I don't know. I think it would be sketchy. I would not jump 25-30 meter...
Looks promising as a bike for the woods and trails.

MX? I don't know. I think it would be sketchy. I would not jump 25-30 meter long tabletops on a Chinese bike. Not because it comes from China, only because of lack of knowledge about the reliability of the frame, wheels etc.
My woods bikes take more of a beating than my moto bikes.
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mmcmx 3/16/2018 2:26pm
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Chinese having trouble respecting intellectual property again. Outsorcing production there will prove a big mistake on the long run.
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Squirrelings 3/16/2018 2:37pm
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yz133rider wrote:
You know what i mean though. Massive savings in overhead compared to the 4 strokes development testing etc over the same 13 years and prices climbed...
You know what i mean though. Massive savings in overhead compared to the 4 strokes development testing etc over the same 13 years and prices climbed steadily right along side of them.
They are cheaper than they used to be if you calculate inflation. Everything is more expensive.
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Drtbykr 3/16/2018 2:40pm
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RCF wrote:
If you watch the movie on Any Sunday they were saying the same thing about Japanese bikes that are being said about this bike.
“A YamAha”

They can do it, they were just stupid the first time. People loved the Japanese bikes because they were light and reliable. My Chinese MTD snowblower works great, but if it breaks you grab a shovel.

If a bike breaks you are stranded or worse, hurt.

The performance doesn’t have to be the same as a KTM 450SXF or the like, I can’t use it.

Reliability will be key, and obviously decent performance. If they are not.....the word will spread like wildfire and they will be dead again.
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731chopper 3/16/2018 3:48pm
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I will reserve judgement until I have firsthand experience (if ever). We use to have a few Pitster Pro LXR’s as pitbikes and they weren’t bad at all. They weren’t the average Chinese POS bikes.
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yz133rider wrote:
Hopefully it brings a new niche a new lineup of bikes that arent 10k new. Yamaha should be doing that with their 13 year old 2018s...
Hopefully it brings a new niche a new lineup of bikes that arent 10k new. Yamaha should be doing that with their 13 year old 2018s as it is. They are vintage bikes as it is.

More mfgs could bring out dirtbikes that arent geared to just the racers.

And maybe tracks can build tracks not just for the lorettas racers.

Imagine that maybe we can get people riding again
The cost of materials, shipping and labor has gone up as well as maintenance on their machinary. Plus what you totally don't get is they are producing somewhere around 1/3 if not less than they were during 2005. In the end, they are having to keep the price the same to make up for less units sold for production. It's not as simple as your trying to suggest.
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I met a guy at Croom in Florida with a four stroke version of that bike. He loved it, but only had it for a couple of weeks.

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Waiting for the Harbor Freight coupon...
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Just LOL.
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yz133rider wrote:
I like it. Mxa will test one and hate the glue used for the grips and be unable to get past that.
Hahaha ...... thats EXACTLY whats gonna happen kinda like how pro apple companies that “review” products always somehow find fault in android and windows products
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Rdubs19 3/16/2018 5:12pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Aren't we supposed to be making America great again? How come we aren't building these in the Midwest?
Because China's government is an intelligent dictatorship that can decide to do things and then do them. America has lobbyists, ridiculous popularity contest elections, and lets anyone with a pulse vote.
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Titan1 3/16/2018 6:03pm
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yz133rider wrote:
Hopefully it brings a new niche a new lineup of bikes that arent 10k new. Yamaha should be doing that with their 13 year old 2018s...
Hopefully it brings a new niche a new lineup of bikes that arent 10k new. Yamaha should be doing that with their 13 year old 2018s as it is. They are vintage bikes as it is.

More mfgs could bring out dirtbikes that arent geared to just the racers.

And maybe tracks can build tracks not just for the lorettas racers.

Imagine that maybe we can get people riding again
Don’t most Japanese brands already build bikes that aren’t geared toward racers? Honda has the CRF line...Yamaha the TT-R...etc. cheap, low maintamnece bikes...designed to introduce people to the sport?
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DPW 3/16/2018 6:43pm
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we need Ping to do a race review
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Ted722 3/16/2018 6:58pm
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Wow, a thread about a Chinese Husky knock-off. Husqvarna, (as you know) imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! Grinning
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dcg141 3/16/2018 7:31pm
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A YZ450 clone is in the works also.
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Katoomey 3/16/2018 7:50pm
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the difference between a Japanese product and a Chinese product is like the difference between a plastic spork and a table-set of fine silver. They don't even belong in the same conversation.
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yz133rider 3/16/2018 8:37pm
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yz133rider wrote:
Hopefully it brings a new niche a new lineup of bikes that arent 10k new. Yamaha should be doing that with their 13 year old 2018s...
Hopefully it brings a new niche a new lineup of bikes that arent 10k new. Yamaha should be doing that with their 13 year old 2018s as it is. They are vintage bikes as it is.

More mfgs could bring out dirtbikes that arent geared to just the racers.

And maybe tracks can build tracks not just for the lorettas racers.

Imagine that maybe we can get people riding again
Titan1 wrote:
Don’t most Japanese brands already build bikes that aren’t geared toward racers? Honda has the CRF line...Yamaha the TT-R...etc. cheap, low maintamnece bikes...designed to introduce people...
Don’t most Japanese brands already build bikes that aren’t geared toward racers? Honda has the CRF line...Yamaha the TT-R...etc. cheap, low maintamnece bikes...designed to introduce people to the sport?
Not a useless 260 lb ttr 230 with 9hp. Something more like a modern kdx200 with better brakes etc that can hold its own thru a vet track or woods riding.
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mikec265 3/16/2018 10:39pm
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I hope Ping never rides that thing. If he broke a KTM in half then that thing would be in 10 pieces.
I can see it as just an entry level play bike until proven otherwise.
What about suspension quality and adjustability?
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mikec265 3/16/2018 10:56pm
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It better get one hell of a good review from the magazine's testers to be worth paying $5500.

What we need is new Jap 125s so we can have used 125s for a dime a dozen like it was 15 years ago. Everyone I know started on a cheap used 125 in the 90s and early 2000s
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