Osborne Vs. Forkner

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akillerwombat 3/5/2018 3:51pm
3/5/2018 3:51pm Edited Date/Time 3/5/2018 3:52pm


"I was jumping to the left"... isn't that the literal definition of cross jumping?




Squirrelings 3/5/2018 4:11pm
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akillerwombat wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/03/05/247656/s1200_forkner.jpg[/img] "I was jumping to the left"... isn't that the literal definition of cross jumping? [img]https://i.imgur.com/4iRJoYc.gif[/img]


"I was jumping to the left"... isn't that the literal definition of cross jumping?




And Zach jumped to the right. Racing incident. Get over it.
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BobKerr 3/5/2018 4:33pm
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That was definitely cross jumping. The frame by frame gif clearly shows the move.
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Crush 3/5/2018 4:36pm
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Squirrelings wrote:
And Zach jumped to the right. Racing incident. Get over it.

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JB 19 3/5/2018 4:54pm
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You snow flakes still whining about this?
Squirrelings 3/5/2018 4:59pm
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Squirrelings wrote:
And Zach jumped to the right. Racing incident. Get over it.
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My eyes work just fine. That stupid little whatever the fuck you call it, shows nothing.
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Crush 3/5/2018 5:30pm
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Squirrelings wrote:
My eyes work just fine. That stupid little whatever the fuck you call it, shows nothing.
Ok.
swedishfishmx 3/5/2018 6:43pm
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Squirrelings wrote:
My eyes work just fine. That stupid little whatever the fuck you call it, shows nothing.
Crush wrote:
Ok.
Can't reason with the ignorant.
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mxjon454 3/5/2018 7:56pm
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IMO when Forkner jumps that triple his weight gets thrown off and makes him jump into Osbornes line. I dont think he meant to do it at all. Just looked like his balance got thrown off and he went a lot more left then he anticipated. I highly doubt that he did that on purpose.
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ts.p311 3/5/2018 8:10pm
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JB 19 wrote:
You snow flakes still whining about this?
Yall still trying to use that snow flake thing as an insult?
Squirrelings 3/5/2018 8:10pm
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swedishfishmx wrote:
Can't reason with the ignorant.
Racing incident bro. Look at the lines.
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TogaSet 3/5/2018 9:21pm
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Forkners own words “ I was jumping to the left to block...”
Where I come from that’s called intentionally cross jumping. That’s frowned upon for obvious reasons. For example the other rider has no where to go and crashes bad. Oh yeah, that’s exactly what happened.
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mxjon454 3/5/2018 9:34pm
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akillerwombat wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/03/05/247656/s1200_forkner.jpg[/img] "I was jumping to the left"... isn't that the literal definition of cross jumping? [img]https://i.imgur.com/4iRJoYc.gif[/img]


"I was jumping to the left"... isn't that the literal definition of cross jumping?




You forgot to highlight the part where he said, "and i lost my balance and jumped over to far (as you can see from my body english on the bike) more then i intended to." He was jumping to his left to get the wheel on Osborne and cover his line for the corner, but he lost his balance and jumped over to far. If youre going to post something like that and highlight it, then highlight the whole thing lol i immediately thought that he lost his balance when i was watching the race live. You can see that right when he left the lip of the jump. Why would he jump over that far and risk himself wadding his shit up to? I dont think he would.
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mxpro252 3/5/2018 9:49pm
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mxjon454 wrote:
You forgot to highlight the part where he said, "and i lost my balance and jumped over to far (as you can see from my body...
You forgot to highlight the part where he said, "and i lost my balance and jumped over to far (as you can see from my body english on the bike) more then i intended to." He was jumping to his left to get the wheel on Osborne and cover his line for the corner, but he lost his balance and jumped over to far. If youre going to post something like that and highlight it, then highlight the whole thing lol i immediately thought that he lost his balance when i was watching the race live. You can see that right when he left the lip of the jump. Why would he jump over that far and risk himself wadding his shit up to? I dont think he would.
I thought it was pretty obvious when watching it that night based on him trying to correct things in the air. Cant believe this is still getting beat up
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tomgreen44 3/5/2018 11:08pm
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There’s a 90% osbourne would have cleaned him out in the next corner anyway because that’s the way he rides nower days. I think it was...
There’s a 90% osbourne would have cleaned him out in the next corner anyway because that’s the way he rides nower days. I think it was unintentional on forkners behalf you can even see in his body language. I have no sympathy for osbourne what so ever because of the way he races so imo it was only a matter of time before someone cleaned him out properly. Don’t get me wrong that was an unfortunate way for it to happen but I’m suprised it’s taken this long for someone to take him down.
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So because Zack has made/makes aggressive passes in corners, it's OK if another rider cross-jumps him? You're stance, basically, is that you get what's coming to...
So because Zack has made/makes aggressive passes in corners, it's OK if another rider cross-jumps him? You're stance, basically, is that you get what's coming to you based on your actions? So that being the case, aggressive corner passes equate to cross-jumping in a dangerous rhythm section?

Don't really have much of an opinion on the matter, that's just an interesting stance in this debate. I take what you're saying to mean that you're OK with a rider cross-jumping someone else, intentional or not (that's not really the question) and putting that rider in honest danger of being taken out mid-air in a technical/dangerous rhythm section, but only if that 2nd guy has made some mean block passes in the past...
Nah mate I’m saying that I’m suprised that its taken this long for someone to take Zach down period. No matter what way. Like I said it’s unfortunate that it had to happen that way & intentionally cross jumping ain’t cool but that wasn’t the case in my opinion. Just annoys me that I gotta watch him ride the way he does every weekend & the first time something happens to him he’s acting like it’s the end of the world. Nice job trying to put words in my mouth tho g hahahaha.
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It is a racing incident that was just waiting to happen. If you watch closely the lines of all the riders, especially in the first lap, you will see a ton of that and even more weird lines in turns. Particularly this year I think riders in front tend to not consider at all what is behind, or worse, know what they are doing by not taking the fastest lines and riding like squid to play defense then are the "victims" when involved in an incident or taken out 2 turns later. I don't know the solution, maybe to set a limit on a "line deviation" with the gps tracking and points/time/pit stops penalties.
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Gworm 3/6/2018 6:03am
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You mentioned Reed... From the way I saw it he cross jumped on Canard, and then got mad and pulled a punk move because he get jumped into.

Watch a replay of the race, and look closely at their lines. Almost everyone moves one way or the other over some of the jumps, to set themselves up better for the corner ahead. It makes sense to me that it is at least halfway up to the guy behind, who can see the guy in front, to anticipate what is going to happen.

I'm sure Zach could have anticipated that Austin would move over on him, but no way he could have known he would come that far, because it was an accident. These guys aren't on rails, and that happens. Maybe there should be a rule where if someone behind you is positioned where he might get to your inside in the next corner, you should just go straight and relinquish the position.

OR

Maybe he didn't see McCarty standing there with a "Let Zack Bye" sign.
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ATHEIST 3/6/2018 6:15am
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that's why it's called racing ,shit happens

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Crush 3/6/2018 6:26am
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Gworm wrote:
You mentioned Reed... From the way I saw it he cross jumped on Canard, and then got mad and pulled a punk move because he get...
You mentioned Reed... From the way I saw it he cross jumped on Canard, and then got mad and pulled a punk move because he get jumped into.

Watch a replay of the race, and look closely at their lines. Almost everyone moves one way or the other over some of the jumps, to set themselves up better for the corner ahead. It makes sense to me that it is at least halfway up to the guy behind, who can see the guy in front, to anticipate what is going to happen.

I'm sure Zach could have anticipated that Austin would move over on him, but no way he could have known he would come that far, because it was an accident. These guys aren't on rails, and that happens. Maybe there should be a rule where if someone behind you is positioned where he might get to your inside in the next corner, you should just go straight and relinquish the position.

OR

Maybe he didn't see McCarty standing there with a "Let Zack Bye" sign.
Wasn't referencing Canard. Jacksonville 09 with Stewart... That's what the neck grabbing was about.

The Reed/Canard one is basically what it is because it’s corner to corner, one small jump and the lack of following up-ramp meant the risk was lower, the result less. Chad's reaction was over the top, but he also didn't swerve like Forkner, his line was straight from corner to corner, so probably wandered why he was landed on. Zacho didn't have an opportunity to either way...

Regardless, like I said, intention is a point of view, to each their own, afterwards it's possibly mute.... And agree shit happens/they're not on rails, but Austin said he deliberately moved over. And how anyone can say suck it Zac, well deserved or is equivalent to a block pass – the most basic of SX moves – is crazy...Surely that it's ok to cross jump in a high risk situation can not be. It's rarely going to end well.
feelit2morrow 3/6/2018 6:29am
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7 pages of garbage arguing about a racing incident or intentional cross jump..

That's interesting Ralph..
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motomike137 3/6/2018 6:30am
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We get a couple of guys banging bars and Vital goes into snowflake mode. It is simple really. Austin in fact did cross jump so if I'm Zach I just race him accordingly in the future.
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PlayaPimp69 3/6/2018 9:13am
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diz330 wrote:
Osborne has no trouble bullying guys around the track but sure doesn't like it when someone turns the tables on him a little bit
Agreed.

Forkner barely moved over....not the best judgement or cleanest move but it wasn't that big of a deal. The bottom line here is that Osborne is a whiny little baby....the guy is always acting like a pussy
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diz330 wrote:
Osborne has no trouble bullying guys around the track but sure doesn't like it when someone turns the tables on him a little bit
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Agreed. Forkner barely moved over....not the best judgement or cleanest move but it wasn't that big of a deal. The bottom line here is that Osborne...
Agreed.

Forkner barely moved over....not the best judgement or cleanest move but it wasn't that big of a deal. The bottom line here is that Osborne is a whiny little baby....the guy is always acting like a pussy
It’s only a matter of time before Osborne shows his age...he acts and rides fares entitled. His rock em sock em ‘cuz I’m the fastest’ will end bad for him...he shouldn’t even be in that class...
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akillerwombat 3/6/2018 9:36am
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mxjon454 wrote:
You forgot to highlight the part where he said, "and i lost my balance and jumped over to far (as you can see from my body...
You forgot to highlight the part where he said, "and i lost my balance and jumped over to far (as you can see from my body english on the bike) more then i intended to." He was jumping to his left to get the wheel on Osborne and cover his line for the corner, but he lost his balance and jumped over to far. If youre going to post something like that and highlight it, then highlight the whole thing lol i immediately thought that he lost his balance when i was watching the race live. You can see that right when he left the lip of the jump. Why would he jump over that far and risk himself wadding his shit up to? I dont think he would.
I didn't highlight it because it's irrelevant.

He wouldn't have "jumped over too far" had he not been trying to "jump to the left" in the first place.
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Dmcc 3/6/2018 10:00am
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If forkner is such a great guy why when Osborne rode over to talk to him about it he turned and walk away?. Be a man and a strand up guy and go over and hash it out.
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Gworm 3/6/2018 10:17am
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Same reason you don't go try to pet the growling pit bull that comes to greet you. Somethings are best left alone.
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minman26 3/6/2018 10:43am
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Gworm wrote:
Same reason you don't go try to pet the growling pit bull that comes to greet you. Somethings are best left alone.
Yep. It's already been said. No good would have come from trying to talk at that moment. ZO was already dialed up to 11.
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mxridr 3/6/2018 4:07pm
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save the contact for the corners, if forker would have stuffed zach in a corner, ok all good - we know zach deals those out so he should be able to take them

this incident however was a flagrant cross jump, plain and simple. imo there are two things you don’t do in sx period: cross jump or move over on someone in the whoops. you do either and you get docked positions or flat out DQ’d
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Johnny Depp 3/7/2018 6:28pm
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It seems we could get some more mileage out of this thread. I don't think this is settled?
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Johnny Depp wrote:
It seems we could get some more mileage out of this thread. I don't think this is settled?
Don't show up to a gun fight with a knife? Is that PC incorrect and will hurt feelings?
If that altercation was the last lap of a title chase being the winner was champion, who was wrong?
Get the fuck over it, it's racing, second place IS THE FIRST LOSER, LOSER'S

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