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Where are the disc brakes? Tongue
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Lucifa. 2/7/2018 1:17am
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I always laugh when I see weekend warriors riding around on their race wheels.
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Do you also laugh at C graders on brand new 18's with some suspension and a pipe? Big fan of the pedaling industry in general. Must...
Do you also laugh at C graders on brand new 18's with some suspension and a pipe?

Big fan of the pedaling industry in general. Must say though I do find it ironic that the more you pay, the less you get so to speak Laughing (talking weight)
I haven't raced motocross in 13 years so can't answer that.

I gave up national level cycling three years ago but yeah, I have a laugh to myself when I see deep dishes being used in training rides.
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Lucifa. 2/7/2018 1:27am
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Where are the disc brakes? Tongue
Not sure if the Scott bikes are running discs on that model. Anyone? ML512?
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Lucifa. 2/7/2018 1:28am
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Where are the disc brakes? Tongue
Not sure if the Scott bikes are running discs on that model. Anyone? ML512?

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ML512 2/7/2018 6:30am
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dirtwalker wrote:
Where are the disc brakes? Tongue
Lucifa. wrote:
Not sure if the Scott bikes are running discs on that model. Anyone? ML512?
JB’s addict is a disc bike. The Foil is available as disc or rim.

Brands like Cannondale, Specialized, Scott, Trek, etc are mostly selling disc this year. There was a lil piece about this on one of the big cycling sites that the sales of late last year were the first where disc overtook rim in road bike sales and they expect 2018 to be the first that it overtakes fro the whole year.

Comments from Shimano and SRAM pointed out that the OEM builders ordered more disc late last year as well by a noticeable margin, meaning that’s what will be heavily pushed in the next year. Some brands, like Giant, are going away from rim brake...introducing disc only modes. Specialized’s latest comment was going forward all complete bikes will likely be disc and rim brake bikes would be frameset only once they get past this current generation of bikes.
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JB’s addict is a disc bike. The Foil is available as disc or rim. Brands like Cannondale, Specialized, Scott, Trek, etc are mostly selling disc this...
JB’s addict is a disc bike. The Foil is available as disc or rim.

Brands like Cannondale, Specialized, Scott, Trek, etc are mostly selling disc this year. There was a lil piece about this on one of the big cycling sites that the sales of late last year were the first where disc overtook rim in road bike sales and they expect 2018 to be the first that it overtakes fro the whole year.

Comments from Shimano and SRAM pointed out that the OEM builders ordered more disc late last year as well by a noticeable margin, meaning that’s what will be heavily pushed in the next year. Some brands, like Giant, are going away from rim brake...introducing disc only modes. Specialized’s latest comment was going forward all complete bikes will likely be disc and rim brake bikes would be frameset only once they get past this current generation of bikes.
Rim brakes for me-apart from on my winter hack. We get a load of dirt and grime here in the UK for six months of the year and I wore out a good set of rims in one winter one year. So rim brakes on my best bike & disc for winter.
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7eleven 2/7/2018 7:52am
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cro-mo rails??? that thing's a tank, must have sunk all his money in the R8's...
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I think he has a carbon railed seat coming, the one on it came with the original build.
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I'm kidding of course, that's a sweet ride, kinda reminds me of a look 795. All jokes aside, I've always wondered how fast these guys are...
I'm kidding of course, that's a sweet ride, kinda reminds me of a look 795.
All jokes aside, I've always wondered how fast these guys are on bicycles. I follow some of them just for shits and giggles and I'm like... meehh not that impressive for some world class athletes. But of course cycling is not their primary focus and who knows, maybe they just do a lot of recovery stuff on the bike.
I’ve ridden with the 14 before and he has a motor, for sure! When the 6 was training with O’mara, i was watching his time on some of my home trails and he was smashing it. Martin was at a pro level of cycling speed, i was impressed x10.
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I think several of the large manufacturers are still sorting out the aero road bike with discs issue. Again, directed at the top levels of competition but there is wind tunnel data that shows disc brakes are not quite as aerodynamic as an integrated rim brake. So for example, Trek has disc brake options on their endurance Domane, the all-around/climber Emonda, but the aero road Madone remains rim brake. Also holding this all up is an inconsistency of rules regarding disc brakes in competition. For example last year in the USA they were legal, but up here in Canada they were illegal. One Cannondale sponsored team (Cylance Pro Cycling) was actually not allowed to race at some of the big money races here in BC last summer due to this rule ambiguity. In the end the whole sport came off looking rather amateur.
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ML512 2/7/2018 7:56am
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I think several of the large manufacturers are still sorting out the aero road bike with discs issue. Again, directed at the top levels of competition...
I think several of the large manufacturers are still sorting out the aero road bike with discs issue. Again, directed at the top levels of competition but there is wind tunnel data that shows disc brakes are not quite as aerodynamic as an integrated rim brake. So for example, Trek has disc brake options on their endurance Domane, the all-around/climber Emonda, but the aero road Madone remains rim brake. Also holding this all up is an inconsistency of rules regarding disc brakes in competition. For example last year in the USA they were legal, but up here in Canada they were illegal. One Cannondale sponsored team (Cylance Pro Cycling) was actually not allowed to race at some of the big money races here in BC last summer due to this rule ambiguity. In the end the whole sport came off looking rather amateur.
Cylance raced, but the guys had to borrow bikes! One of the Williams brothers won a stage on a borrowed women's version of the SuperSix Evo. Laughing

Oh yeah, it's still being sorted for sure. Trek's Segafredo World Tour team is racing with discs all year for '18 though. I'm curious who will be the next to follow.
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BobPA 2/7/2018 8:03am
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Lucifa. wrote:
I always laugh when I see weekend warriors riding around on their race wheels.
I always laugh when I see roadies
TriRacer27 2/7/2018 8:07am
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Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so...
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so much to make it easier and less work? For bicycle racing i get it but for training and working out?
I LOVE cool bikes, but I agree if the sole purpose of road cycling is for training.

I ride on the road as a part of my training for MTB racing, and you know what I ride on the road? My MTB! I don't care about being aero or going fast, I care about the workout. Plus, it's an added challenge when I go on group rides to keep up on my heavy (by comparison) full suspension bike.

BUT, I would never expect Barcia or others to do the same just because it works for me.
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peelout 2/7/2018 8:09am
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road cycle guys are the quad riders of the cycle world.

wait, i take it back... dudes that wear spandex on a mountain bike are the quad riders, the road cycle guys are their incredibly flamboyant and enthusiastic lovers
Brownstone322 2/7/2018 8:09am
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The hold up on disc brakes for road bikes has been the weight trade-off. With the advent of aluminum then carbon frames combined with lighter components, bikes just got faster and faster. But wheel-track brakes aren’t worth shit. (And mine are Ultegra, theoretically good brakes.) My next bike will have discs.
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BobPA 2/7/2018 8:14am
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The hold up on disc brakes for road bikes has been the weight trade-off. With the advent of aluminum then carbon frames combined with lighter components...
The hold up on disc brakes for road bikes has been the weight trade-off. With the advent of aluminum then carbon frames combined with lighter components, bikes just got faster and faster. But wheel-track brakes aren’t worth shit. (And mine are Ultegra, theoretically good brakes.) My next bike will have discs.
How about a disc in the front and a rim in the back?
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motomike137 2/7/2018 8:29am
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yz133rider wrote:
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so...
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so much to make it easier and less work? For bicycle racing i get it but for training and working out?
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Agree !00%. Riding a super light weight road bike is like going to the gym and bench pressing a blow up barbell or doing push ups...
Agree !00%. Riding a super light weight road bike is like going to the gym and bench pressing a blow up barbell or doing push ups on the moon. Little effort required. Cool looking bike if you get it for free but it wont get you as fit and strong as an ordinary run of the mill bike.
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I can't facepalm hard enough for this post.
When they they're that light the bike rides itself! Silly
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GrapeApe 2/7/2018 8:42am
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Brownstone322 wrote:
The hold up on disc brakes for road bikes has been the weight trade-off. With the advent of aluminum then carbon frames combined with lighter components...
The hold up on disc brakes for road bikes has been the weight trade-off. With the advent of aluminum then carbon frames combined with lighter components, bikes just got faster and faster. But wheel-track brakes aren’t worth shit. (And mine are Ultegra, theoretically good brakes.) My next bike will have discs.
I thought the hold up was roadies thinking they are all going to have their heads sawed off by the scary looking rotors. lol.

99.99% of us, including pros, can't notice the weight/aero difference. Everyone can notice the performance difference, though. I will never own another set of rim brakes.
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liver 2/7/2018 9:04am
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yz133rider wrote:
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so...
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so much to make it easier and less work? For bicycle racing i get it but for training and working out?
Good lord you’re so right!! I like to drag a a bag with 300lbs of hammers behind my road bike, because, you know.... “exercise”
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I love road bikes. For all the reasons they’re hated.

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Sick of people complaining about motorcycle prices. I tell these complainers "have you priced Bicycles these days?"









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GrapeApe 2/7/2018 9:40am
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Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
I love road bikes. For all the reasons they’re hated.
Of course you do
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yz133rider wrote:
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so...
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so much to make it easier and less work? For bicycle racing i get it but for training and working out?
liver wrote:
Good lord you’re so right!! I like to drag a a bag with 300lbs of hammers behind my road bike, because, you know.... “exercise”
Be careful, I broke a carbon chainstay pulling a tackling sled I borrowed from the local high school
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The Sneak 2/7/2018 9:47am
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I ride a Specialized Roubaix SL4 now, and that is a great bike by any objective measurement. But, I am saving my pennies for titanium...



Independent Fabrication Ti Crown Jewel...drool
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yz133rider wrote:
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so...
Never completely understood the high end bicycles... All the light weight and low rolling resistance and all that. Isn't the point to exercise? Why spend so much to make it easier and less work? For bicycle racing i get it but for training and working out?
I never understood why they wear tights either ,big deal if you get some wind drag while training.
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ACBraap 2/7/2018 10:14am
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You are part way correct here. Look out, this is right in my wheelhouse, literally: I quit racing moto at 19, went to university then started...
You are part way correct here. Look out, this is right in my wheelhouse, literally: I quit racing moto at 19, went to university then started bicycle racing. First MTB, then MTB with a bit of road and then full-on roadie for almost 20 years, and I raced for a LONG time at category 1 level. While Justin's bike is a lovely piece of performance equipment, it is that. Designed for competition and speed. Is it a bike that I would want to ride every day? No way. It's like taking Ken Roczen's factory CRF-450 out into the woods to trail ride. Give me a custom frame in steel or titanium any day for general riding and training. Heck, in my final years of competitive racing I was even racing a custom steel frame at times when there was not anything but carbon bikes on the starting line, and the bike never held me back. Yup I'm a retrogrouch.

I get the companies like Scott and Specialized like to sponsor the top level moto guys for exposure but honestly all of the pro moto guys would be much better served riding something out of steel or titanium, with a bit more upright and relaxed geometry. Can still be pimped out with Dura-Ace Di2, Enve wheels/bars/stem/seatpost etc etc. Just on a tool that is right for the job. Those guys are already beat up from the track time, and the gym time. When they are on the road bike a nod towards comfort is something I would definitely recommend. And steel and Ti are just more comfortable to ride due to the inherent shock absorption of the materials. Go look on Instagram at builders like Moots, Firefly, Mosaic, Vanilla, Stinner, Carl Strong, etc etc. Beautiful bikes, handbuilt in the US of A, and tailored to the needs of each individual. And what is funny is that the guys I am friends with that raced in the World Tour (the highest level orf pro cycling), when they retire they all ride custom steel or Ti bikes. They don't have any desire to ride mass-produced carbon bikes. And one more retro-grouch thing: That Foil is nice to look at but like all of the latest integrated aero-specific road frames it is full on PITA to work on. If I owned it I would probably ride SRAM eTap too, just so I didn't have to run Di2 wires through the bars/stem/frame/seatpost.
Agree re steel/ti vs carbon, but totally not needed to spend at the level of the builders you mention. For training purposes, an all city steel frame with 105 or ultegra is more than sufficient. (and yet I have custom ti with di2). I see plenty of really fast people riding all kinds of bikes. One thing about bicycle racing, it is rarely the equipment that is a deciding factor in the win.



Brownstone322 2/7/2018 10:17am
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All carbon, all Ultegra ...



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Non-moto. Needs its own forum.... Whistling
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ACBraap 2/7/2018 10:26am
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https://www.road-results.com/racer/124840 cat 5 roadie... looks like him and Hill were having some fun. Couldn't find any cross race results, but it'd be fun to hand him...
https://www.road-results.com/racer/124840

cat 5 roadie... looks like him and Hill were having some fun. Couldn't find any cross race results, but it'd be fun to hand him a twinky and heckle him
USAC results https://legacy.usacycling.org/results/index.php?compid=484083

Those Cat 5 results should have gotten him into 4. His MTB race in cat 1 was a distant last place.

I think it's cool that he's into bikes and has given bicycle racing a try. Cross is where he'd probably shine.
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ML512 2/7/2018 10:29am
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Mini Elsinore wrote:
Non-moto. Needs its own forum.... Whistling
Moto guy, it gets the pass.

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