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mxpro252 1/30/2018 8:34am
1/30/2018 8:34am
Damn that’s sad. The economy is back at full power and various things related to dirt bikes continue to shut down. Can only imagine how bad the industry it going to look a few years into the next looming recession.
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DTR830 1/30/2018 8:36am
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I think you see more Sunday AM SX events next year in its place for obtaining points.
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I didn't say it was going away for sure, just that it was rumored to be going away. It's been all over the pits in AX and in SX for a while. In fact, I heard the Babbitt's team is going to move to GNCC for 2019 as well.

We'll see, I got to think someone picks up the ball though (paging Eric Peronnard?) and gets a series going.
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bball35 1/30/2018 8:57am
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Matthes wrote:
I didn't say it was going away for sure, just that it was rumored to be going away. It's been all over the pits in AX...
I didn't say it was going away for sure, just that it was rumored to be going away. It's been all over the pits in AX and in SX for a while. In fact, I heard the Babbitt's team is going to move to GNCC for 2019 as well.

We'll see, I got to think someone picks up the ball though (paging Eric Peronnard?) and gets a series going.
This is your time to take over Matthes. Time to start a PulpMX arenacross with a big Pulpie trophy for the champion. Pookie can even be the 30 sec board holder/social media person. Nets everywhere with big whoop sections!!

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Premix 1/30/2018 8:58am
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lumpy790 wrote:
Why do they think AX is done? I would be surprised if AX is done with the drawing of spectators and necessitie to get points to...
Why do they think AX is done? I would be surprised if AX is done with the drawing of spectators and necessitie to get points to move up to SX if it went away.
Seating Capacity of first 5 rounds of AX this year:

Nutter Center: 10,400
DCU Center: 14,800
Mohegan Sun: 10,000
Greensboro: 23,000
Alliant Energy: 10,200

Average supercross pulls 40-45k. I’m sure they could sell 10k tickets between spectators and racers for a Sunday amateur program. Maybe brings some better competition to SX. Hayes, Faith, Owen, Sewell, Blose. All guys that belong somewhere in the SX night show in my opinion.

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Louie112 1/30/2018 9:22am
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Matthes wrote:
I didn't say it was going away for sure, just that it was rumored to be going away. It's been all over the pits in AX...
I didn't say it was going away for sure, just that it was rumored to be going away. It's been all over the pits in AX and in SX for a while. In fact, I heard the Babbitt's team is going to move to GNCC for 2019 as well.

We'll see, I got to think someone picks up the ball though (paging Eric Peronnard?) and gets a series going.
The off-road Jason Thomas posted about signing with Babbitt's to race XC2 next year at the GNCCs.
motoxxx599 1/30/2018 9:30am
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Matthes wrote:
I didn't say it was going away for sure, just that it was rumored to be going away. It's been all over the pits in AX...
I didn't say it was going away for sure, just that it was rumored to be going away. It's been all over the pits in AX and in SX for a while. In fact, I heard the Babbitt's team is going to move to GNCC for 2019 as well.

We'll see, I got to think someone picks up the ball though (paging Eric Peronnard?) and gets a series going.
bball35 wrote:
This is your time to take over Matthes. Time to start a PulpMX arenacross with a big Pulpie trophy for the champion. Pookie can even be...
This is your time to take over Matthes. Time to start a PulpMX arenacross with a big Pulpie trophy for the champion. Pookie can even be the 30 sec board holder/social media person. Nets everywhere with big whoop sections!!
Nets bro!
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kkawboy14 1/30/2018 9:34am
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I have only ever been to 1 arena cross as a spectator.
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Premix wrote:
Seating Capacity of first 5 rounds of AX this year: Nutter Center: 10,400 DCU Center: 14,800 Mohegan Sun: 10,000 Greensboro: 23,000 Alliant Energy: 10,200 Average supercross...
Seating Capacity of first 5 rounds of AX this year:

Nutter Center: 10,400
DCU Center: 14,800
Mohegan Sun: 10,000
Greensboro: 23,000
Alliant Energy: 10,200

Average supercross pulls 40-45k. I’m sure they could sell 10k tickets between spectators and racers for a Sunday amateur program. Maybe brings some better competition to SX. Hayes, Faith, Owen, Sewell, Blose. All guys that belong somewhere in the SX night show in my opinion.

"Maybe brings some better competition to SX. Hayes, Faith, Owen, Sewell, Blose. All guys that belong somewhere in the SX night show in my opinion."

Bringing these guys in dilutes the pool of potential rides. Would AX sponsors come over to SX and go from being a big fish in a small pond to fighting in the ocean with riders that have the potential to not make the main event or even night show for a triple crown race?
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Johnny Depp 1/30/2018 9:53am
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Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Pro racing cannot be run as if it’s a participant driven business model. And renting arenas aint cheap. The sport couldn't sustain itself on gate sales...
Pro racing cannot be run as if it’s a participant driven business model. And renting arenas aint cheap.

The sport couldn't sustain itself on gate sales & entry fees alone. If mfg’s pull back, poof.

It should be a lesson to how fragile a house of cards even SX is. And why they’re playing w/ format changes. Pro racing needs to be “exposure driven”. And SX needs a lot of work before or if it will ever attract a casual fanbase that can hold the series afloat.
^ you saved me typing it out.
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calcoast 1/30/2018 9:55am
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I’d imagine attendance and viewing would be way better if they had the series in winter.
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TXDirt 1/30/2018 9:55am
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It’s been awhile since I’ve been to an Arenacross but ticket prices for a family seem much more affordable. You are closer in on the action, the racing is better. Yeah, you don’t have the big names that SX has, but there is a still a place for Arenacross for the reasons mentioned above.
Squirrelings 1/30/2018 10:02am
1/30/2018 10:02am
early wrote:
Maybe they will sell the series to spmeone that will run it in the fall instead of against sx.
This has everything to do with it's struggles.
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ATKpilot99 1/30/2018 10:07am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
I have only ever been to 1 arena cross as a spectator.
Now we know why it's shutting down....Damn you.
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gt80rider 1/30/2018 10:15am
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This is still in the rumor phase right?

However, if it should become true, that really sucks. AX has always been incredible racing, for Pros and the Ams. Love watching it on tv, in fact I like watching it more than SX because it simply has more passing and aggressive moves.

For those of you that travel the tour, has attendance been down? I haven't noticed it on TV, and the round that I attend has had solid turnouts for as long as I have been going.
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early wrote:
Maybe they will sell the series to spmeone that will run it in the fall instead of against sx.
Squirrelings wrote:
This has everything to do with it's struggles.
4 weeks into this season and how many AX threads appear on this site? Almost zero.
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etccb 1/30/2018 10:16am
1/30/2018 10:16am
Not a good idea to run against supercross. Your fan base is sitting at home glued to the tv. A fall series is where this needs to be.
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mx617 1/30/2018 10:18am
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Premix wrote:
Seating Capacity of first 5 rounds of AX this year: Nutter Center: 10,400 DCU Center: 14,800 Mohegan Sun: 10,000 Greensboro: 23,000 Alliant Energy: 10,200 Average supercross...
Seating Capacity of first 5 rounds of AX this year:

Nutter Center: 10,400
DCU Center: 14,800
Mohegan Sun: 10,000
Greensboro: 23,000
Alliant Energy: 10,200

Average supercross pulls 40-45k. I’m sure they could sell 10k tickets between spectators and racers for a Sunday amateur program. Maybe brings some better competition to SX. Hayes, Faith, Owen, Sewell, Blose. All guys that belong somewhere in the SX night show in my opinion.

early wrote:
"Maybe brings some better competition to SX. Hayes, Faith, Owen, Sewell, Blose. All guys that belong somewhere in the SX night show in my opinion." Bringing...
"Maybe brings some better competition to SX. Hayes, Faith, Owen, Sewell, Blose. All guys that belong somewhere in the SX night show in my opinion."

Bringing these guys in dilutes the pool of potential rides. Would AX sponsors come over to SX and go from being a big fish in a small pond to fighting in the ocean with riders that have the potential to not make the main event or even night show for a triple crown race?
This. How many of those guys are top 22 in practice?

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Brownstone322 1/30/2018 10:37am
1/30/2018 10:37am
One down (Arenacross). One to go (Supercross).
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Mini Elsinore 1/30/2018 10:40am
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I know 2 guys who could likely make it work.
Paging Mike Kidd and Mike Lambert to the red courtesy phone.
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tprice07 1/30/2018 10:47am
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If someone else picks up Arenacross they need to put it back in the fall and have it start in Des Moines, Iowa. Run a series from end of nationals to beginning of supercross. Get a decent TV package and people will watch.
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Braaaphole 1/30/2018 11:03am
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There's a ton of smaller AX races that take place all over. If Feld does drop the series, one of these smaller ones will pick up the slack and take advantage. They may or may not buy the name. Either way, there will still be plenty of racers to line up. AX races are fun and cheap. They are a great way to get some exposure to the masses in smaller cities and for amateurs to race in arenas. It just needs to be run right.

Personally, when Feld took over it felt like the mafia taking over a business. They milk it dry of every penny they can get then move on. The AX and SX series were much better under Pace and I don't know that Feld is capable of getting it back to that level.
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DEMONDAVE 1/30/2018 11:29am
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stankdawg just ripped his shirt off !!!!!!!!
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kkawboy14 1/30/2018 11:36am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
I have only ever been to 1 arena cross as a spectator.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Now we know why it's shutting down....Damn you.
Right, I was thinking man I shoulda went to more of those Smile
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JustMX 1/30/2018 12:16pm
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Feld, just like clear channel bedore.them, has a huge advantage in that they do.so.much in every market that they can tie in with other events, and.not.just motorsports.

It is a different world then when mike kidd sold his series to clear channel.

I am thinking that kidd tried to run some ax events several years ago and found out it wasn't the same game.

Drew wolfe tried to run an event at one of the venues he ran at years ago and it did not go well.

It is tough to get butt in seats. So many other options to fighting traffic and overpriced tickets and concessions.

You can just watch it at home and if somebody crashes or there is a take out you can watch it forward and backward in slow mo hd.

Sponsorship packages are tough to sell as well. I doubt ticket sales or tv ratings are good enough to really impress the big players.







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MXATC 1/30/2018 1:02pm
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mb60 wrote:
Run the series starting after labor day and make it a 3 moto format. Would love to see Mike Kidd take over again see where it...
Run the series starting after labor day and make it a 3 moto format. Would love to see Mike Kidd take over again see where it goes. Another AMA series ran into the ground in my honest opinion.
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Loved the Mike Kidd events. They were more in line with the old Regional AX events with the classes on Fri & Sat nights. Remember a...
Loved the Mike Kidd events. They were more in line with the old Regional AX events with the classes on Fri & Sat nights. Remember a 'C' class racer brings mom, dad, bro, sis, g-friend even a cousin or so. Not so much a "pro" racer. If I remember right the AX tour of late had no B or C or 50cc classes on the Fri or Sat nights. That's a lot of potential butts in the seats of the night program.
Amen!
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Team MMR 1/30/2018 1:05pm
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I dont think the attendance has been bad at all. and i was at the first 3 rounds. The problem i see is the favortism towards some teams and riders. I dont think arenacross will be go anywhere for next year (i have some inside connections) maybe its just a Sponsorship change..... Guess time will tell.
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MXATC 1/30/2018 1:08pm
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Mini Elsinore wrote:
I know 2 guys who could likely make it work.
Paging Mike Kidd and Mike Lambert to the red courtesy phone.
Yes!!!
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I've never been an arenacross fan, and we had one of the bigger facilities at the Lazy-E in Guthrie, OK. IMHO it's roller derby on motorcycles with very little room to actually race.

Of course it's just my opinion, but I think a Friday or Sunday race at the SX venue would be better exposure for the competitors and sponsors, and also a better scenario for the casual fan. Just think, the Glendale discussion would of had so much more bench racing involved. From a marketing prospective, its a 2 birds one stone kinda thing.
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p0wn 1/30/2018 2:00pm
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The live events are a lot of fun, but it doesn't translate well on TV. A lot of the action is not up front. It's a bummer.

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