Will Kenny be ready to win at A1?

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BMSOBx2 12/22/2017 10:19am
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I agree, too much too soon. The mind is willing but the flesh is weak. I'd love to see him have a nice long career but at this point one crash and it's over.
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Lightning78 12/22/2017 10:32am
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Agreed!

If he wins I will buy everybody here a new kx
ChristopherHitchens wrote:
I'll take a 2-Fiddy
kkawboy14 wrote:
Ok everybody gets all the Pro Circuit bolt ons also! I’m a big fan of his! I can’t believe he is where he is already. Stewart...
Ok everybody gets all the Pro Circuit bolt ons also!

I’m a big fan of his! I can’t believe he is where he is already. Stewart would get into trouble when he felt he should be winning and I would hate to see Kenny riding with that panic mode. It seemed like that big crash happened because felt he should have been faster and winning that night. Personally I would love to see him finish about 15th at A1 and improve each week after that, moving forward methodically, kinda like Herlings did this year on the 450. By the end of the year “Full Beast Mode”!

Unfortunately Kenny has already put pressure on himself with that instagram deal!

As much as I hate to admit it, Dungey had the best mindset, take what the night gives, but be fully prepared!
Do I have to be in on the thread to qualify for this?
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kkawboy14 12/22/2017 10:41am
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ChristopherHitchens wrote:
I'll take a 2-Fiddy
kkawboy14 wrote:
Ok everybody gets all the Pro Circuit bolt ons also! I’m a big fan of his! I can’t believe he is where he is already. Stewart...
Ok everybody gets all the Pro Circuit bolt ons also!

I’m a big fan of his! I can’t believe he is where he is already. Stewart would get into trouble when he felt he should be winning and I would hate to see Kenny riding with that panic mode. It seemed like that big crash happened because felt he should have been faster and winning that night. Personally I would love to see him finish about 15th at A1 and improve each week after that, moving forward methodically, kinda like Herlings did this year on the 450. By the end of the year “Full Beast Mode”!

Unfortunately Kenny has already put pressure on himself with that instagram deal!

As much as I hate to admit it, Dungey had the best mindset, take what the night gives, but be fully prepared!
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Do I have to be in on the thread to qualify for this?
I think maybe the only disqualifier should be if someone is a KTM guy.......they wouldn’t appreciate the quality, superiority, speed, suppleness, beauty, and chic magnet abilities of going green loaded with Pro Circuit unobtanium products!
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Buncha dicks around here lately.
Were some posts deleted? Looks pretty respectful to me.

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mauidex 12/22/2017 10:47am
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It's become so cliche but in Roczens case I think it is the truest sense, "you cant win the championship at A1 but certainly can lose it".

One bad crash and he could lose his career, let alone races or championships. Hope he's smart enough to keep his ego in check, but not sounding like it from interviews and such. He needs to be in the mix for the year!Unsure Unsure
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BobKerr 12/22/2017 11:02am
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I predict 5th-10th place.
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motokawi818 12/22/2017 11:05am
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Respectfully disagree. There’s so many riders that race without full mobility in many different limbs, ankles, or wrists. RV couldn’t bend his right wrist for the first few years of his professional career. Also, the doctors wouldn’t let him race if the arm couldn’t withstand a fall over. The bones are all very similar to the strength they once were and would take the same amount of force to break either arm. The only worry is the amount of soreness from the limited range of motion. None of the bones are fused, so the more he rides the more those muscles will be stretched out and the better he’ll be.
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BobKerr 12/22/2017 11:09am
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TheOriginalPancakee wrote:
He’s gonna win the SX title and all the doubters will go back into the corner Tongue
I will take that bait, LOL. I think Roczen will be 4th or worse in points at the end of the season. I think Eli is going to go on a run at some point in 2018 and wrap up the title 1 or 2 rounds early.
Kx125rider 12/22/2017 11:27am
12/22/2017 11:27am
He will be ready, and I think he'll win.
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cable 12/22/2017 11:35am
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no. I really hope he can put in a solid ride and stay healthy. riding laps and racing are totally different. we will hear about chasing bike setup (because we don't practice on cupped out rutted whoops) , arm pump, or riding tight, and i haven't raced in almost a year.. I hope I'm wrong.
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deluxeman 12/22/2017 11:43am
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RCB33 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that he will be fast but not as willing to take risks, something that is almost always needed to win races. Tomac...
I'm of the opinion that he will be fast but not as willing to take risks, something that is almost always needed to win races. Tomac is crazy on bike when he's healthy but Kenny handed it to him when he was still recovering from his shoulder surgery. Now the roles are switched and we can't forget about Marvin, Anderson, Wilson, etc. Who also have had solid 2017's. In conclusion, he will be fast because he's Ken Roczen but putting 20 laps together for a race win at the beginning of the season seems improbable. However if he does do it, a 250f sounds cool.Woohoo seriously though, this is one season with unknowns galore and I can't wait to see it play out!
Why does everyone keep mentioning Wilson in their posts as a top 5 guy? He finished 8th in 2017 SX. He has shown me nothing that puts him in the top 5 consistently in 2018.

As far as Ken goes, practice is one thing, racing in anger is another. I just don't see him having the grip/forearm strength to run up front for a few races, maybe never. His injury was massive and he had many surgeries that affect your strength not to mention your mental state. He is a strong young man, but there are 30 more just like him on the line.
jorgechavez 12/22/2017 11:44am
12/22/2017 11:44am
He's always been great at A1 and seems to be going pretty fast so I would have to pick him for the win. I also think if he stays healthy he ends up champion but I think that's a big if. The guy's a badass and if there's someone who's going to be ready to battle after an injury like that it's him IMO.
5thgearpinnedJB65 12/22/2017 11:52am
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Cool, I'll take an 85 for my daughter. As for Kenny, his natural speed at 100% is quite formidable. The question is: [i]how close will he...
Cool, I'll take an 85 for my daughter.

As for Kenny, his natural speed at 100% is quite formidable. The question is: how close will he be to 100% after the injury? Is Ken Roczen at 90% still faster than Marvin and Eli? What if he holeshots? What if he starts 10th?

There are too many variables to really call it. I think to count him out is foolish, although I don't expect him to win.
Yea If roczen is just 85% of where he was last year that is way faster then anyone on the track and 1 of 2 things are going to happen he's going to come out swing and lay it all on the line and win or play it safe and get a podium but yea I pick roczen for the win and marvin 2nd and tomac 3rd - 6th
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reded 12/22/2017 12:05pm
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Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:
He's going to be ready, But I worry about him having to stick his arm out in a fall...
So does Kenny but he's not gonna show that card and admit weakness to himself or his competitors.
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Tom711 12/22/2017 12:21pm
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Based on the footage i think hes a top 10 guy at the moment. Probably top 5 actually. I dont think hes going to win a1...
Based on the footage i think hes a top 10 guy at the moment. Probably top 5 actually. I dont think hes going to win a1. Might battle eli at daytona. But not a1. Hes not at tomac race pace yet but he will be and it will be exciting to watch them battle it out.
You got a lot from a few very short handpicked social media clips.
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Ted722 12/22/2017 12:35pm
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Wish him well, but the season will be all about the whoops.

Eli, “whoops, the gate dropped”
Marvin, “whoops?, thought it was a mini-rhythm section.”
Kenny, “these whoops are nastier than ever.”

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brimx153 12/22/2017 1:15pm
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i played rugby for years , and when someone was coming back from a big injury ,it was an unwritten rule, you had to flatten him in the first few min s of the game . thats why you never ever came back unless you were 100%. ' i know there is a big difference between rugby and MX , but with the way Kenny is acting on social media , i really really won nt be surprised if the likes of Anderson or Barica put him on the ground at A1 . all i know is i would have a total different way of going about it if i was Kenny . He does not need enemy s on the track a this moment more than ever
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RCB33 12/22/2017 1:17pm
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RCB33 wrote:
I'm of the opinion that he will be fast but not as willing to take risks, something that is almost always needed to win races. Tomac...
I'm of the opinion that he will be fast but not as willing to take risks, something that is almost always needed to win races. Tomac is crazy on bike when he's healthy but Kenny handed it to him when he was still recovering from his shoulder surgery. Now the roles are switched and we can't forget about Marvin, Anderson, Wilson, etc. Who also have had solid 2017's. In conclusion, he will be fast because he's Ken Roczen but putting 20 laps together for a race win at the beginning of the season seems improbable. However if he does do it, a 250f sounds cool.Woohoo seriously though, this is one season with unknowns galore and I can't wait to see it play out!
deluxeman wrote:
Why does everyone keep mentioning Wilson in their posts as a top 5 guy? He finished 8th in 2017 SX. He has shown me nothing that...
Why does everyone keep mentioning Wilson in their posts as a top 5 guy? He finished 8th in 2017 SX. He has shown me nothing that puts him in the top 5 consistently in 2018.

As far as Ken goes, practice is one thing, racing in anger is another. I just don't see him having the grip/forearm strength to run up front for a few races, maybe never. His injury was massive and he had many surgeries that affect your strength not to mention your mental state. He is a strong young man, but there are 30 more just like him on the line.
I can't speak for everyone else on Wilson but my logic is that 2017 was a building year and now that he has confidence on his side he could POTENTIALLY reach another level. This is purely speculation on my part though, time will tell.

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As much as I wish Roczen to win, im afraid he will and some other people will be disapointed in the end... It's just too soon for the arm to heel and him to come back to 100%. If I don't ride 2 weeks, I need at laest 2 rides to come back to nearly where I was before... Im afraid that after 11 months of not even looking the bike, you can't come back on the same level you were before that quick. And imo the arm is not fully healed.

Just watching the videos racerx posted of Honda sx trainings, he looks stiff and only at like 70% of what he was before the crash.

On the other hand, if I'm wrong, it would be epic to see him pull out a win at A1,
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mark911 12/22/2017 2:06pm
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As someone who's sustained the exact elbow injury (broke radial head), I'd be more worried about his wrist injury in terms of holding on and danger of re-injury. Regarding the elbow and my personal experience, he probably still can't fully straighten his arm and there's a high probably he'll never be able to. I know after almost 16 years I still can't. The other typical limitation is the inability to turn the palm up.

I still ride and I don't really notice anything. However, it took me awhile to adjust to my one arm locking out before the other. It's only an issue when your back on the pegs with your arms out straight. One arm (the bent one) tends to pull harder and can throw the bike out of balance.

Hopefully, KR has made the necessary adjustments in his form.
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Kawi15 12/22/2017 2:38pm
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I do not think so. I guess anything is possible, so we will just have to watch the race to see, but I think of 2018 as a building year for Ken. Maybe some riders do not need building years, but I tend to think that after an injury of that magnitude that is what it will amount to for him. Also it might be wise for him to not push too hard at first, and just let things come to him.
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kongols 12/22/2017 2:58pm
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ME, I don`t give a shit how he does. After following his 10+ surgeries, rehab, all them gruesome instagrams, who give a shit. If he`s back on a bike and up front- I will root for a guy. It`s a statement of man`s willpower and determination. There is very few on this Earth like that.
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motokawi818 12/22/2017 3:06pm
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I like all the armchair doctors here saying the arms not ready. He went to one of the best surgeons in the world and was released to ride even before the end of outdoors. If the doctor didn’t think it could take the abuse of riding he wouldn’t have been released.
Harry Backmon 12/22/2017 3:08pm
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BMSOBx2 wrote:
I agree, too much too soon. The mind is willing but the flesh is weak. I'd love to see him have a nice long career but...
I agree, too much too soon. The mind is willing but the flesh is weak. I'd love to see him have a nice long career but at this point one crash and it's over.
See, we agree on something else.

Hey kawbro, can I get KTM one fiddy instead of the KX?
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brimx153 wrote:
i played rugby for years , and when someone was coming back from a big injury ,it was an unwritten rule, you had to flatten him...
i played rugby for years , and when someone was coming back from a big injury ,it was an unwritten rule, you had to flatten him in the first few min s of the game . thats why you never ever came back unless you were 100%. ' i know there is a big difference between rugby and MX , but with the way Kenny is acting on social media , i really really won nt be surprised if the likes of Anderson or Barica put him on the ground at A1 . all i know is i would have a total different way of going about it if i was Kenny . He does not need enemy s on the track a this moment more than ever
I think if someone purposely put Ken on the ground at A1, after what he’s been through, it wouldn’t end very good for them.
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yak651 12/22/2017 3:21pm
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5thgearpinnedJB65 wrote:
Yea If roczen is just 85% of where he was last year that is way faster then anyone on the track and 1 of 2 things...
Yea If roczen is just 85% of where he was last year that is way faster then anyone on the track and 1 of 2 things are going to happen he's going to come out swing and lay it all on the line and win or play it safe and get a podium but yea I pick roczen for the win and marvin 2nd and tomac 3rd - 6th
Ha, ha, 85%. I think some of you are rewriting history last year. He won the first SX race, 2nd one he had RD on him for the entire race and then the 3rd race he augers after trying to chase RD down. Sorry but 85% isn't going to hack it...
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wreckitrandy 12/22/2017 3:26pm
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If he wins A1, it'll Vulcan mind meld everybody so bad he might win them all.... I don't think he will though.
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BobPA 12/22/2017 3:30pm
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kongols wrote:
ME, I don`t give a shit how he does. After following his 10+ surgeries, rehab, all them gruesome instagrams, who give a shit. If he`s back...
ME, I don`t give a shit how he does. After following his 10+ surgeries, rehab, all them gruesome instagrams, who give a shit. If he`s back on a bike and up front- I will root for a guy. It`s a statement of man`s willpower and determination. There is very few on this Earth like that.
How so? All of the riders on the gate have come back from injury, Kenny just decided to document his more.

Im saying top 3 at A1. 3:1 odds he wins it.
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kongols 12/22/2017 3:50pm
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How so? All of the riders on the gate have come back from injury, Kenny just decided to document his more. Im saying top 3 at...
How so? All of the riders on the gate have come back from injury, Kenny just decided to document his more.

Im saying top 3 at A1. 3:1 odds he wins it.
Oh sorry. I thought he almost lost his arm, turns out it was nothing. Ok, carry on.
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bvm111 12/22/2017 3:53pm
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GarySemics wrote:
I usually don't make comments on social media regarding big questions like this but when I do, I really stick my neck out. ha. I've been...
I usually don't make comments on social media regarding big questions like this but when I do, I really stick my neck out. ha. I've been following Ken on Instagram. I also, read his out spoken Racer-X interview where he said he expects to win A1. In my opinion he's trying to do too much too soon. The trauma and stress his body and mind has gone through has definitely taken a toll and it seems his left arm is far from 100%. He needs more time to heal both mentally and physically before trying to get back to the conditioning it takes to win SX races. Ken is a remarkable, outstanding racer, there's no questions about that but he's only human. He's young so he will heal fast but he should wait until the Nationals before returning to the main field. But I know that's the mind of an old guy's opinion. At his age, I can understand he don't want to wait that long. Ok, but don't go out there and expect to start wining SX races right out of the gate. What do you guys think?

BTW...here's a short training tip I posted on my site's Free Riding Tips.
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Agreed!

If he wins I will buy everybody here a new kx
Shit if he wins I’m selling my Kawasakis and buying a honda!!! Whistling Tongue

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