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It's pretty stupid to call people "nut jobs" for discussing a factual conversation.
Timmy?
So as of recently, Clason was suspended due to a positive test and there appears to be no resolution in the near future. So when DM18 was popped and fired from Kawi for whatever “substance” he had in his locker, was he tested immediately afterwords? Im assuming if it was bad enough for Kawi to fire him, it probabaly wasn’t legal. Or did his TUE just find it’s way into the file cabinet, because he was right back to racing in 2016....
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Does is it go on today? Sure. But I highly doubt Bakers factory is pumping their riders with these substances. They would lose everything.
How about just recognize that the top 5/10 guys are just animals and athletes that don’t skip leg day, do shit tons of cardio, and eat their vitamins brother. But honestly if an investigation was done maybe that would put all this shit to rest if nothings found. And hey if stuff is found more power to the sport for cleaning it up.
It can be manipulated both ways.
Experts have already said Biological passports aren't going to work.
Sounds great but they listed numerous reasons why it wont really work.
Well he's either referencing RV, Chad or Tedesco as they were the other race winners that year – Let's assume RV as Mike went out before the other two won a race and well, we know there is likely some sour grapes there...
Soooo.... if it's in reference to RV coming like a freight train and winning Glen Helen late in both motos, then how the fuck does he explain this scrawny kid (read: PED monster) doing the exact same thing to him in 05?
I guess everyone is on it from amateurs all the way up? Or, you know, some people just get it done.
There is a blue light special going on for PED threads in the Dumbgeon department.
Like I said, y'all are having too much fun looking and sounding like a bunch of Kardashians.
Plus, who cares? It wont make you talented.
And one of them didn't win much of anything, but he was pretty jacked looking for a while, with lots of acne. BUT, that could be because that's the age of these guys, full of natural hormones, and if you eat and train, well, you should look somewhat in shape.
You know, the eye test.
For those who keep saying Growth this Growth that, those who can afford a good 4-10 IU per day of Growth, (Not generic chinese Kits, but Pharm grade), well, Growth by itself isn't very anabolic and doesn't build much muscle alone. Some, but not like other drugs.
It IS a very effective fat burner, if you follow a decent diet and helps with recuperation.
For the money though, growth is even a piss poor fat burner as there are far more effective drugs for FAR LESS money. Few can afford real Growth, and even chinese kits are expensive.
These guys getting lean, well the better compounds will make you hot because they are thermogenic. The kind of hot you see a jacked dude standing outside in 20 degree weather shirtless.
And that folks, well, wouldn't be good in the summer heat.
BUT, the other plus is they work for endurance. So its a trade off during summer.
Did I pretty much nail what the thread is about? Was there any new earth shattering evidence that's showed up? Anything change at all?
They always turn into a " lets throw our least favorite rider under the bus "......which is exactly what's going on here I bet. And as far as me posting here a bunch....not that much any more.
JT was trying to compare it to baseball and I think he completely missed the mark. He was only giving them credit for the additional strength. While he's correct that it does add strength, what he missed was that all of the guys in the discussion had home run power without AAS. Baseball is all about eye hand coordination and that's where their greatest gains came from.
I'm one of the few people with the balls to admit I've done them, so I'm speaking from first hand experience. I can also tell you that if I were going to get back into racing and try to go to Loretta's, I would 100% show up to Loretta's mid cycle. Testosterone absolutely makes a difference in just about every aspect, especially as you get older.
Patches the same. Some guys were wearing them all over their whole body when they couldnt get their injectables through customs.
I know a guy whos blood panel showed 1479 for test using cream.. Thats plenty over "Normal"
Some guys were using raws and dissolving into DMSO and rubbing it all over their bodies when their supplier was out.
Depends on the extremes you're willing to go.
And as far as I know the testing at the time was exactly the same as it is now. (I believe the podcast was posted a little before the outdoors in 2016).
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Basically the same compounds chicks doing Pro Bikini shows do to get capped delts and Dat ass.
Womens fitness and Pro Bikini is as dirty as any mens sport.
This chick just blew out alot with the amount of compounds she was using.
How much do riders spend a year on legal supplements? what exactly does a rider get for paying the Baker Factory $250,000 a year? Supplements, hypnosis, massages, food? $250,000 a year seems like a lot of money......
Whatever happened to this guy?
Does anyone remember Jeff Alessi endorsing Deer Antler Velvet from the same company that got banned by the NFL? DEER ANTLER VELVET had since be proven NOT to work, but the fact that athletes were endorsing a product that was clearly being promoted as a PED should tell you something.
I almost lost my job for saying that the FEDs should investigate to see if there was PED use in the sport.
I spoke up not because I want to see the industry that has given me so much get put in the lime light for something so negative. I spoke up because as the owner of a Physical Therapy and Sports Performance center I wanted to make sure I was competing on a level playing field. If riders are being told by AGENTS, TM's, PARENTS and SPONSORS that they need to train with a certain person or certain facility because the have the "GOOD" stuff I wanted to know about it. I also know the consequences that occur to athletes who can't afford the "GOOD" stuff but still want to dope. These are the athletes that end up dying on training rides or while competing at an event.
Now that JT and Matthes have said what they said, why not have someone come in and ask the difficult questions?
The following article is well written and gives some very good insight into how well PEDS work.
https://www.outsideonline.com/1924306/drug-test
People keep bringing up testosterone. I am assuming because they don’t know about much else? They talk about ‘taking testosterone’ like that is prime PED to take. Testosterone is already in you. Taking a synthetic version of testosterone is only going to elevate your natural test levels and temporarily shut down your natural production. Testosterone levels aren’t the defining factor in a doping program. You just get them elevated and then keep them there. Your grueling training then won’t drop your levels down when you are controlling your levels with a synthetic. Test is like the foundation you build your house on. It’s everything else that is going to make the big differences. So everyone that keeps mentioning test this, test that, sounds silly. There are far greater things to implement than an above average testosterone level.
Simply taking additional synthetic testosterone into your body is not going to make a noticeable difference in hand eye coordination. That simply isn’t how it works. Now if your levels were low and you began to take test to improve your levels to an average or above average level, that could make a noticeable difference. Simply increasing a 22 years old athlete’s test levels from say, 700ng/dl to 2000 isn’t going to give him what instantly needs to get better gate drops than MA800. Said 22 year old athlete’s hand eye coordination isn’t going to be much different. Sorry.
Also, comparing what TRT does for a 55 year old 9-5 male and what it does to a 22 year old, high level motocross athlete is not that same thing.
A well rounded program for a motocross athlete would probably be compromised of blood transfusions, EPO, HGH, a couple choice steroids to increase muscular strength and recovery (not muscle size), some beta blockers, corticosteroids, then stimulants and narcotics around events. And probably more that I’m not up to date on. You know how hard that is to hide from USADA in 2017? This is not 2009. You would need a highly funded, state sponsored program to be able to beat WADA like some folks are implying. I do not believe it is prevalent in our sport right now. Some idiot would have slipped up by now and not one person has. The day we start getting guys popping for SARMs, EPO, DHT orals or higher than average testosterone to epitestosterone levels, then I’ll begin to wonder.
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