Matthes, JT comments on PEDs

twotwosix wrote:

PEDs don’t get your ass out of bed at 5:00am everyday. PEDs don’t track your caloric intake and macros everyday for you. PEDs don’t make you...

PEDs don’t get your ass out of bed at 5:00am everyday. PEDs don’t track your caloric intake and macros everyday for you. PEDs don’t make you spend 4 hours at the practice track and then another hour on your road bike afterwards. PEDs don’t improve your riding technique. PEDs don’t help you develop your factory machine. PEDs don’t train your mental attitude and self talk to be positive and stay focused on your goal. PEDs don’t give you the creative ability to look at a section of Track and develop a faster way through it in your mind. PEDs don’t provide you with years of experience to draw upon in split second situations. PEDs don’t improve your race craft. PEDs don’t give you the mental grit and tenacity to tell your body what it’s going to do 25 minutes into moto 2 at Red Bud. PEDs don’t program your year out in advance to allow for training peaks and valleys. PEDs don’t change your diet or training week to week for you to account for changes in your body. PEDs don’t put you in the 1% of 1%ers. Talent, very hard work and dedication do.

PEDs in Moto would be used to improve strength, recovery and extend endurance. But I don’t think it’s prevalent inside of the current USADA/WADA generation.

As a former amateur bodybuilder, NASM certified trainer, IFA certified sports nutritionist and MX racer since I was a child, believe me, I have perspective on this and am very familiar with most all available drugs and the process/protocol upon which one takes and implements said items.

You know what a better question is? Why do we allow wanna be Pro racers onto a AMA SX/MX who are out of shape and can’t pass a baseline fitness test to show that they won’t need to skip whoops sections during a main event or have their lap times drop 10 seconds a lap by the end of a main event because they aren’t in good enough shape to race professionally for 30 minutes straight? It’s an even better question when it comes to outdoor motocross specifically. I’ve seen some Pros on track that are a danger to themselves and others half way through a race due to their physical conditioning.

There are so many better discussions to have about Pro MX/SX right now. We have the best testing body’s in the world watching our sport right now.

731chopper wrote:

What were the rules regarding PED's in 2004 (just a random year)? I took Matthes and JT's comments as it wasn't illegal back then. If it...

What were the rules regarding PED's in 2004 (just a random year)? I took Matthes and JT's comments as it wasn't illegal back then.

If it was illegal then there may be a real story here. If it wasn't illegal then it doesn't matter who did them.

731chopper wrote:

What were the rules regarding PED's in 2004 (just a random year)? I took Matthes and JT's comments as it wasn't illegal back then. If it...

What were the rules regarding PED's in 2004 (just a random year)? I took Matthes and JT's comments as it wasn't illegal back then.

If it was illegal then there may be a real story here. If it wasn't illegal then it doesn't matter who did them.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Exactly

TeamGreen wrote:

So, for the record, some of you are still saying that this is a Major and Prevelant Problem in our sport? Furthermore, are we still kicking...

So, for the record, some of you are still saying that this is a Major and Prevelant Problem in our sport?

Furthermore, are we still kicking up dust about what "may have" happened 10 years ago?

I'm jus' askin'...

MxKing809 wrote:

Yeah, people are bringing up illegal drug use that created an unfair advantage. Did it say in the rules it was ok to Dope? Or did...

Yeah, people are bringing up illegal drug use that created an unfair advantage.

Did it say in the rules it was ok to Dope? Or did they just not test? I don’t understand how people are writing off rules violation because “well gosh, they didn’t really test back then!”

I say that if there is known proof and sources that can corroborate a cheater, even 10-15 years ago, that person be exposed. It will deter any future use if an idol is knocked off their pedestal.....

TeamGreen wrote:

Dude, that's called "A Witch Hunt". If there's legit evidence, fine. Otherwise? I'm reading a bunch of posts by grown men acting like members a teen-age...

Dude, that's called "A Witch Hunt".

If there's legit evidence, fine. Otherwise? I'm reading a bunch of posts by grown men acting like members a teen-age drama-queen sewing circle. Show me, in any of these threads...ANYTHING that's legitamately proven or supported by something other than hear-say & gossip.

Go ahead and read thru all of'em: "Gossip" is being kind. Gossipy Old Men & Angry Keyboard Warriors are a more honest analytical answer to what's really going on, here.

500guy wrote:

if it's so easy to cheat why did the Russians get banned from the Olympics for government sponsored doping ? Are you telling me the MX...

if it's so easy to cheat why did the Russians get banned from the Olympics for government sponsored doping ?

Are you telling me the MX trainers are better than the KGB ?

Premix wrote:

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twotwosix wrote:

PEDs don’t get your ass out of bed at 5:00am everyday. PEDs don’t track your caloric intake and macros everyday for you. PEDs don’t make you...

PEDs don’t get your ass out of bed at 5:00am everyday. PEDs don’t track your caloric intake and macros everyday for you. PEDs don’t make you spend 4 hours at the practice track and then another hour on your road bike afterwards. PEDs don’t improve your riding technique. PEDs don’t help you develop your factory machine. PEDs don’t train your mental attitude and self talk to be positive and stay focused on your goal. PEDs don’t give you the creative ability to look at a section of Track and develop a faster way through it in your mind. PEDs don’t provide you with years of experience to draw upon in split second situations. PEDs don’t improve your race craft. PEDs don’t give you the mental grit and tenacity to tell your body what it’s going to do 25 minutes into moto 2 at Red Bud. PEDs don’t program your year out in advance to allow for training peaks and valleys. PEDs don’t change your diet or training week to week for you to account for changes in your body. PEDs don’t put you in the 1% of 1%ers. Talent, very hard work and dedication do.

PEDs in Moto would be used to improve strength, recovery and extend endurance. But I don’t think it’s prevalent inside of the current USADA/WADA generation.

As a former amateur bodybuilder, NASM certified trainer, IFA certified sports nutritionist and MX racer since I was a child, believe me, I have perspective on this and am very familiar with most all available drugs and the process/protocol upon which one takes and implements said items.

You know what a better question is? Why do we allow wanna be Pro racers onto a AMA SX/MX who are out of shape and can’t pass a baseline fitness test to show that they won’t need to skip whoops sections during a main event or have their lap times drop 10 seconds a lap by the end of a main event because they aren’t in good enough shape to race professionally for 30 minutes straight? It’s an even better question when it comes to outdoor motocross specifically. I’ve seen some Pros on track that are a danger to themselves and others half way through a race due to their physical conditioning.

There are so many better discussions to have about Pro MX/SX right now. We have the best testing body’s in the world watching our sport right now.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Performance Enhancers are for your natural abilities to be enhanced. Testosterone for example improves memory and a testosterone cream wouldn’t raise your levels to a level...

Performance Enhancers are for your natural abilities to be enhanced.

Testosterone for example improves memory and a testosterone cream wouldn’t raise your levels to a level that would get you busted. Many doctors will give you a prescription for testosterone and you could get a TUE for it......just one example.

Premix wrote:

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500guy wrote:

if it's so easy to cheat why did the Russians get banned from the Olympics for government sponsored doping ? Are you telling me the MX...

if it's so easy to cheat why did the Russians get banned from the Olympics for government sponsored doping ?

Are you telling me the MX trainers are better than the KGB ?

Adam43 wrote:

The guy who ran their lab effectively defected and provided the NYT with mountains of evidence.

twotwosix wrote:

PEDs don’t get your ass out of bed at 5:00am everyday. PEDs don’t track your caloric intake and macros everyday for you. PEDs don’t make you...

PEDs don’t get your ass out of bed at 5:00am everyday. PEDs don’t track your caloric intake and macros everyday for you. PEDs don’t make you spend 4 hours at the practice track and then another hour on your road bike afterwards. PEDs don’t improve your riding technique. PEDs don’t help you develop your factory machine. PEDs don’t train your mental attitude and self talk to be positive and stay focused on your goal. PEDs don’t give you the creative ability to look at a section of Track and develop a faster way through it in your mind. PEDs don’t provide you with years of experience to draw upon in split second situations. PEDs don’t improve your race craft. PEDs don’t give you the mental grit and tenacity to tell your body what it’s going to do 25 minutes into moto 2 at Red Bud. PEDs don’t program your year out in advance to allow for training peaks and valleys. PEDs don’t change your diet or training week to week for you to account for changes in your body. PEDs don’t put you in the 1% of 1%ers. Talent, very hard work and dedication do.

PEDs in Moto would be used to improve strength, recovery and extend endurance. But I don’t think it’s prevalent inside of the current USADA/WADA generation.

As a former amateur bodybuilder, NASM certified trainer, IFA certified sports nutritionist and MX racer since I was a child, believe me, I have perspective on this and am very familiar with most all available drugs and the process/protocol upon which one takes and implements said items.

You know what a better question is? Why do we allow wanna be Pro racers onto a AMA SX/MX who are out of shape and can’t pass a baseline fitness test to show that they won’t need to skip whoops sections during a main event or have their lap times drop 10 seconds a lap by the end of a main event because they aren’t in good enough shape to race professionally for 30 minutes straight? It’s an even better question when it comes to outdoor motocross specifically. I’ve seen some Pros on track that are a danger to themselves and others half way through a race due to their physical conditioning.

There are so many better discussions to have about Pro MX/SX right now. We have the best testing body’s in the world watching our sport right now.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Performance Enhancers are for your natural abilities to be enhanced. Testosterone for example improves memory and a testosterone cream wouldn’t raise your levels to a level...

Performance Enhancers are for your natural abilities to be enhanced.

Testosterone for example improves memory and a testosterone cream wouldn’t raise your levels to a level that would get you busted. Many doctors will give you a prescription for testosterone and you could get a TUE for it......just one example.

twotwosix wrote:

Have you taken anything? Have you trained or developed a program for anyone who has? Please don’t patronize me and try to tell me about what...

Have you taken anything? Have you trained or developed a program for anyone who has? Please don’t patronize me and try to tell me about what elevated testosterone levels do buddy. It’s virtually impossible to get a TUE for any anabolic compound or derivative of testosterone with USADA.

500guy wrote:

if it's so easy to cheat why did the Russians get banned from the Olympics for government sponsored doping ? Are you telling me the MX...

if it's so easy to cheat why did the Russians get banned from the Olympics for government sponsored doping ?

Are you telling me the MX trainers are better than the KGB ?

twotwosix wrote:

PEDs don’t get your ass out of bed at 5:00am everyday. PEDs don’t track your caloric intake and macros everyday for you. PEDs don’t make you...

PEDs don’t get your ass out of bed at 5:00am everyday. PEDs don’t track your caloric intake and macros everyday for you. PEDs don’t make you spend 4 hours at the practice track and then another hour on your road bike afterwards. PEDs don’t improve your riding technique. PEDs don’t help you develop your factory machine. PEDs don’t train your mental attitude and self talk to be positive and stay focused on your goal. PEDs don’t give you the creative ability to look at a section of Track and develop a faster way through it in your mind. PEDs don’t provide you with years of experience to draw upon in split second situations. PEDs don’t improve your race craft. PEDs don’t give you the mental grit and tenacity to tell your body what it’s going to do 25 minutes into moto 2 at Red Bud. PEDs don’t program your year out in advance to allow for training peaks and valleys. PEDs don’t change your diet or training week to week for you to account for changes in your body. PEDs don’t put you in the 1% of 1%ers. Talent, very hard work and dedication do.

PEDs in Moto would be used to improve strength, recovery and extend endurance. But I don’t think it’s prevalent inside of the current USADA/WADA generation.

As a former amateur bodybuilder, NASM certified trainer, IFA certified sports nutritionist and MX racer since I was a child, believe me, I have perspective on this and am very familiar with most all available drugs and the process/protocol upon which one takes and implements said items.

You know what a better question is? Why do we allow wanna be Pro racers onto a AMA SX/MX who are out of shape and can’t pass a baseline fitness test to show that they won’t need to skip whoops sections during a main event or have their lap times drop 10 seconds a lap by the end of a main event because they aren’t in good enough shape to race professionally for 30 minutes straight? It’s an even better question when it comes to outdoor motocross specifically. I’ve seen some Pros on track that are a danger to themselves and others half way through a race due to their physical conditioning.

There are so many better discussions to have about Pro MX/SX right now. We have the best testing body’s in the world watching our sport right now.

DC wrote:

yak651, I think it's unfair to insinuate of any rider before drug-testing that they must have been cheating. I disagree with Matthes in implying that of...

yak651, I think it's unfair to insinuate of any rider before drug-testing that they must have been cheating. I disagree with Matthes in implying that of anyone just because the temptation might be there. That's irresponsible as well as unfair to guys who busted their asses and won races on their talent and work ethic, not drugs.

DC
Racer X

500guy wrote:

if it's so easy to cheat why did the Russians get banned from the Olympics for government sponsored doping ? Are you telling me the MX...

if it's so easy to cheat why did the Russians get banned from the Olympics for government sponsored doping ?

Are you telling me the MX trainers are better than the KGB ?

Adam43 wrote:

The guy who ran their lab effectively defected and provided the NYT with mountains of evidence.

jeffro503 wrote:

Here's a stupid question for all you conspiracy nut jobs. If all the top guys are all jacked up on PED's , wouldn't the best guy...

Here's a stupid question for all you conspiracy nut jobs.

If all the top guys are all jacked up on PED's , wouldn't the best guy still be winning? I guess the guy , that's clean in 12th place most of the time would be mopping the floor with these guys....right?

Don't get me wrong....I definitely think guys are using , but to say some aren't and some are , is fucking retarded.

Taking PED's with no fitness won't do a thing anyways. You STILL have to work harder than the guys you're racing against.

But go ahead with your witch hunt , it's funny to watch. Me and this guy I just met will be drinking a beer having a good laugh.

Hudd_421 wrote:

Watch Icarus on Netflix. Heard about it from Brian Fogel on Joe Rogan podcast (listening to the podcast first really helps when watching the movie) Crazy...

Watch Icarus on Netflix. Heard about it from Brian Fogel on Joe Rogan podcast (listening to the podcast first really helps when watching the movie) Crazy stuff.

JMR1976 wrote:

Yes you are right! So respect Lance Armstrong? I don’t remember anyone saying everyone was on peds, I admit I have not read the whole thread...

Yes you are right! So respect Lance Armstrong? I don’t remember anyone saying everyone was on peds, I admit I have not read the whole thread like you have.

JMR1976 wrote:

Yes you are right! So respect Lance Armstrong? I don’t remember anyone saying everyone was on peds, I admit I have not read the whole thread...

Yes you are right! So respect Lance Armstrong? I don’t remember anyone saying everyone was on peds, I admit I have not read the whole thread like you have.

jeffro503 wrote:

I Haven't read the whole thread. It's just the same thing that's been being said for the past 10 years. I already know what it says.