PED Allegations

12/9/2017 12:02pm
He might very well be a good teacher. It's of my opinion that he is a bit unhinged. Just look at this thread as an example...
He might very well be a good teacher. It's of my opinion that he is a bit unhinged. Just look at this thread as an example. Now those kids he was teaching are caught up in all this. It seems like he was implying that one or more of his students is/was/asked to be on some sort of PED. I could be misunderstanding it all. He didn't really present a thought out reasonable argument. Just for the fact you could get caught up in one of his shitstorms (which no denying happens regularly) is enough to keep me away.
UpTiTe wrote:
I'm willing to bet that not one of them even really know aboit this thread, let alone caught up in it. His online Persona is a...
I'm willing to bet that not one of them even really know aboit this thread, let alone caught up in it.

His online Persona is a lot different than real life
kkawboy14 wrote:
Every Pro knows about this thread already!

Some are shaking their heads and some are saying yep he’s right!
The majority of the guys he works with are kids on 65 and 85, and he is great with them.
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12/9/2017 12:04pm
vikingBoy wrote:
Well said DC. I’m not taking anything away from RC, he has always been the fastest kid I’ve ever seen, PED’s or not. BUT, I have...
Well said DC.

I’m not taking anything away from RC, he has always been the fastest kid I’ve ever seen, PED’s or not.

BUT, I have heard the rumors of Top riders using PED’s and have to believe the hype. Never have we seen the domination in our sport, whether it’s SX/MX, since the incarnation of MC/RC.

Anybody remember RC’s first season on 250’s in SX. The guy would damn near crash his brains out every race, let alone have the speed to beat MC. Then miraculously mid season, he did a complete 180. Didn’t crash and then proceeded to beat MC on multiple occasions. Maybe his sprocket bolts weren’t tight enough??? Idk, but it was a bit fishy. And then RC went on to dominate for the rest of his career. Then started the domination sequence!!! Seems like ever since then, there has been a star that dominates to some degree in this sport. Looking back to the prior years of MC and RC, it was usually a tossup between the top 5 guys to whom was going to win. The Bailey, Johnson era. The Ward, Stanton, Bradshaw era. and so one.

If anyone has seen the “Icaras” documentary, then you know how easy it is to pass these drug tests. So even if there is wada testing at the races, that frankly doesn’t mean shit...
How does the top guy ever defend against this logic? Basically, you are proposing that because there is a Top Guy, that Top Guy must be using PEDs. Not sure I agree that PEDs are a cure for crashing one’s brains out either to use your terms. Are you aware of any documented studies to support this correlation?

Let me give an alternative explanation. There have always been a few “Top Guys”, yet one seems to win most the titles. Perhaps the answer is the rider’s confidence to win as opposed to any miracle juice.
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12/9/2017 12:05pm
Why does nobody actually know what Davi had in his locker?
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12/9/2017 12:07pm
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12/9/2017 12:08pm
MX-LIFE. wrote:
Who was the team manager at that time?
ML512 wrote:
Dan Fahie.
Wrongly or rightly I've always assumed that 1.Davi was guilty of what ever which is why he made no protestations publicly (that I'm aware of at least). 2. They paid him what was owed on his contract 3.It wasn't that big a deal as it did not seem to hamper his career. Again rightly or wrongly I always assumed it was Bud. And lastly I've always found it strange that no one was ever upset about the fact that he had his locker searched which quite frankly I find the most bizarre fact of it all. I should also state that I saw him race the CMRC up here and instantly became a fan, but the level of radio silence on this issue after all this time I find astounding. Just my 2 cents probably worth not even half that.
12/9/2017 12:14pm
Honest question: does someone shine a “believe the hype” bullseye in the sky once the Alessi’s are on the verge of irrelevance? Or maybe they have a family meeting to see who will step up and do something dumb to get the name back out there? It just never fails, and it’s not even funny anymore...
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12/9/2017 12:21pm
This is why Matthes has a job year round. With that said, whose calling in or tweeting the show Monday? Does Matthes cold call Jeff?
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12/9/2017 1:16pm
Atleast it’s not sexual harassment. They’d really be ruined!
This right here is pretty fucking funny
12/9/2017 1:33pm
Gus wrote:
This is why Matthes has a job year round. With that said, whose calling in or tweeting the show Monday? Does Matthes cold call Jeff?
I hope and pray he calls Tony about Jeff or calls Jeff directly. The original post and this thread have to have already made it completely around the industry.
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12/9/2017 1:58pm
But these PED’s give them laser like focus........
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12/9/2017 2:26pm
Imagine a football player getting kicked off a team for illegal substances, then showing up on another team and the whole industry says nothing, leaving the fans with no information other than their own conjecture. And life just goes on. Yeah, right.
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12/9/2017 2:32pm Edited Date/Time 12/9/2017 2:37pm
Thinking someone else is resp for athletes in the end go the PED way is just plain ignorant. In the end its the athlete who makes the decision. Some guys can live with it and some dont (moral,afraid,gult whatever reason) MX is such a small sport, yet it has been PED involved since at least 70´s, not to mention all the RX medicines (pain killers, adderall etc) where used on a daily (people didnt know better???)

It doesnt matter what sport we look into. As soon you reach the high level competition, the PED follows. And for all you out there who dont believe in how big advantage they could possible give, please study some medical research on the most common PED:s used in the sports, in this case MX. (speaking of athletes, not cheeseballs)

To be able to train as much as these guys do a day, they need the drugs to (1) recover (2) recover (3)recover (4) get spiked! (5)prevent injuries.

In the end, we all contribute to have a scene where PEDs are needed. The speed, the aggresivnes, the crazy thrilling tracks, the money, glory,sponsors, THE MONEY. If you as a top level athlete can take some pills,injects and have a 2% edge over your closest competition you F bet he will take that shit. The years a mx rider can make decent money is crazy short, they also have the risk factor (might be unemployed due to injusries, bad economics, and 1000 other things) So yea, they take that f pill no thinking twice, the guys thinking twice are the guys who drops out.

I think its ok to buy your son that monster can (decaff or whatever lol)when watching SX and just let him dream. To tell a kid you need to start injecting this and that later on dont comply with being a good parent, nor a good citizen. I do however think the only thing you can do for kids in any sport, or in the general community for that matter is education. It will never be a drug free industry, this goes for any top level sport. Its ignorant and total c sucking rainbow fantasyland to think other then that.

I do think the most important thing is: Let kids be kids, give them a genuine education, teach them values and if they reach the level at some point, let them make the call cause then they prob adults and tax paying citizens. No sports is healthy on the highest level, f period.

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12/9/2017 2:34pm
worksmx wrote:
Thinking someone else is resp for athletes in the end go the PED way is just plain ignorant. In the end its the athlete who makes...
Thinking someone else is resp for athletes in the end go the PED way is just plain ignorant. In the end its the athlete who makes the decision. Some guys can live with it and some dont (moral,afraid,gult whatever reason) MX is such a small sport, yet it has been PED involved since at least 70´s, not to mention all the RX medicines (pain killers, adderall etc) where used on a daily (people didnt know better???)

It doesnt matter what sport we look into. As soon you reach the high level competition, the PED follows. And for all you out there who dont believe in how big advantage they could possible give, please study some medical research on the most common PED:s used in the sports, in this case MX. (speaking of athletes, not cheeseballs)

To be able to train as much as these guys do a day, they need the drugs to (1) recover (2) recover (3)recover (4) get spiked! (5)prevent injuries.

In the end, we all contribute to have a scene where PEDs are needed. The speed, the aggresivnes, the crazy thrilling tracks, the money, glory,sponsors, THE MONEY. If you as a top level athlete can take some pills,injects and have a 2% edge over your closest competition you F bet he will take that shit. The years a mx rider can make decent money is crazy short, they also have the risk factor (might be unemployed due to injusries, bad economics, and 1000 other things) So yea, they take that f pill no thinking twice, the guys thinking twice are the guys who drops out.

I think its ok to buy your son that monster can (decaff or whatever lol)when watching SX and just let him dream. To tell a kid you need to start injecting this and that later on dont comply with being a good parent, nor a good citizen. I do however think the only thing you can do for kids in any sport, or in the general community for that matter is education. It will never be a drug free industry, this goes for any top level sport. Its ignorant and total c sucking rainbow fantasyland to think other then that.

I do think the most important thing is: Let kids be kids, give them a genuine education, teach them values and if they reach the level at some point, let them make the call cause then they prob adults and tax paying citizens. No sports is healthy on the highest level, f period.

Are you trying to say that Dominos and Golf aren't healthy at the top level? I am confused by your last statement.
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12/9/2017 2:40pm Edited Date/Time 12/9/2017 2:43pm
I almost got bitten by a snake on a golf course once, never tried that shit again. Domino, well theres some super high stakes there, you could go broke in minutes.

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12/9/2017 2:55pm
colintrax wrote:
Where are you in the motocross hierarchy to KNOW ped use isn't rampant?
TeamGreen wrote:
Where and who are you to know IT IS?
colintrax wrote:
I never said it is.
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12/9/2017 3:00pm
When the WFN client list goes public after their shutdown, that's going to be interesting.
Lots of big names endorsed it. Top actors, athletes from various sports, celebrities etc.

Right after they got shut down, alot said they never used anything from there. Lol
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12/9/2017 3:02pm
Gus wrote:
This is why Matthes has a job year round. With that said, whose calling in or tweeting the show Monday? Does Matthes cold call Jeff?
He probably shouldn’t call me, because I will drop facts for a long time he won’t disagree with. Right now I’m documenting a timeline, I’m covering all the bases so people realize and understand what’s going on. It’s real. It’s just a book long message we have to put up and then the real stuff goes up after.

It’s really upsetting I have to make the decision to put myself on hold, and put this problem on a pedestal and risk myself for the greater benefit of the racers. When I’m done I will have highlighted the reasons why in our ever growing sport we as athletes need a union to organize these issues from happening. Protect the racers. I go to the test tracks and local sx tracks and watch good racers in the top 30 bust there butts for an industry that gives them nothing but stress and an almost impossible mission to make the entire season. This all going on while the owners of feld just recently became billionaires. It’s wrong. But the worst part is the cover up, the riders who ride for teams that get prior notice to drug tests while other teams don’t. That’s wrong. If a rider wants to cheat it’s on him.

There is no public information on any roi, this is where we can’t take control of our sport so racers can compete for a fair living. This is the main motiv. As a racer I knew I couldn’t speak up but as a fan and a trainer I know what needs to happen at the end of every training day. The racers need more from this big sport. It’s being ran by a corrupt system that wants to keep all the information secret so racers can’t speak up, and they use illegal rules in the rule book to scare racers into being quiet workers. It isn’t right and we all know it. I just happen to be the racer that doesn’t rely on them. The information I will be posting will change this, you as fans and parents and racers will thank me later for bringing this to light.
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12/9/2017 3:03pm
JS, RV, and RC are so badass! All y'all could take as many PEDs as you wanted and still could not even carry their jockstrap. THEY ARE HEROES!! Please give this BS a break!! If at some point in their career they needed a little help, so effing what. 99.99999% of us would have done the same thing if in their shoes. This thread makes me sick. These guys deserve so much respect. It's effing motocross, not bicycle racing! They aren't effing Lance Armstrong! I think about Bubba at Budds on his 125. RV on his 250f at Budds MXDN. Ricky stepping it up to beat James in the nationals. That stuff was EPIC!!! Almost makes me want to fight anybody who says anything bad about these guys. Man, this pisses me off.
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12/9/2017 3:07pm
He probably shouldn’t call me, because I will drop facts for a long time he won’t disagree with. Right now I’m documenting a timeline, I’m covering...
He probably shouldn’t call me, because I will drop facts for a long time he won’t disagree with. Right now I’m documenting a timeline, I’m covering all the bases so people realize and understand what’s going on. It’s real. It’s just a book long message we have to put up and then the real stuff goes up after.

It’s really upsetting I have to make the decision to put myself on hold, and put this problem on a pedestal and risk myself for the greater benefit of the racers. When I’m done I will have highlighted the reasons why in our ever growing sport we as athletes need a union to organize these issues from happening. Protect the racers. I go to the test tracks and local sx tracks and watch good racers in the top 30 bust there butts for an industry that gives them nothing but stress and an almost impossible mission to make the entire season. This all going on while the owners of feld just recently became billionaires. It’s wrong. But the worst part is the cover up, the riders who ride for teams that get prior notice to drug tests while other teams don’t. That’s wrong. If a rider wants to cheat it’s on him.

There is no public information on any roi, this is where we can’t take control of our sport so racers can compete for a fair living. This is the main motiv. As a racer I knew I couldn’t speak up but as a fan and a trainer I know what needs to happen at the end of every training day. The racers need more from this big sport. It’s being ran by a corrupt system that wants to keep all the information secret so racers can’t speak up, and they use illegal rules in the rule book to scare racers into being quiet workers. It isn’t right and we all know it. I just happen to be the racer that doesn’t rely on them. The information I will be posting will change this, you as fans and parents and racers will thank me later for bringing this to light.
12/9/2017 3:08pm
Gus wrote:
This is why Matthes has a job year round. With that said, whose calling in or tweeting the show Monday? Does Matthes cold call Jeff?
He probably shouldn’t call me, because I will drop facts for a long time he won’t disagree with. Right now I’m documenting a timeline, I’m covering...
He probably shouldn’t call me, because I will drop facts for a long time he won’t disagree with. Right now I’m documenting a timeline, I’m covering all the bases so people realize and understand what’s going on. It’s real. It’s just a book long message we have to put up and then the real stuff goes up after.

It’s really upsetting I have to make the decision to put myself on hold, and put this problem on a pedestal and risk myself for the greater benefit of the racers. When I’m done I will have highlighted the reasons why in our ever growing sport we as athletes need a union to organize these issues from happening. Protect the racers. I go to the test tracks and local sx tracks and watch good racers in the top 30 bust there butts for an industry that gives them nothing but stress and an almost impossible mission to make the entire season. This all going on while the owners of feld just recently became billionaires. It’s wrong. But the worst part is the cover up, the riders who ride for teams that get prior notice to drug tests while other teams don’t. That’s wrong. If a rider wants to cheat it’s on him.

There is no public information on any roi, this is where we can’t take control of our sport so racers can compete for a fair living. This is the main motiv. As a racer I knew I couldn’t speak up but as a fan and a trainer I know what needs to happen at the end of every training day. The racers need more from this big sport. It’s being ran by a corrupt system that wants to keep all the information secret so racers can’t speak up, and they use illegal rules in the rule book to scare racers into being quiet workers. It isn’t right and we all know it. I just happen to be the racer that doesn’t rely on them. The information I will be posting will change this, you as fans and parents and racers will thank me later for bringing this to light.
Have you and Tyler Evans been speaking lately? Serious question, is this what he was carrying on on Pulp about a few months ago?
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12/9/2017 3:12pm
Do PEDs cause elevated levels of estrogen?

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12/9/2017 3:15pm Edited Date/Time 12/9/2017 3:25pm
Gus wrote:
This is why Matthes has a job year round. With that said, whose calling in or tweeting the show Monday? Does Matthes cold call Jeff?
He probably shouldn’t call me, because I will drop facts for a long time he won’t disagree with. Right now I’m documenting a timeline, I’m covering...
He probably shouldn’t call me, because I will drop facts for a long time he won’t disagree with. Right now I’m documenting a timeline, I’m covering all the bases so people realize and understand what’s going on. It’s real. It’s just a book long message we have to put up and then the real stuff goes up after.

It’s really upsetting I have to make the decision to put myself on hold, and put this problem on a pedestal and risk myself for the greater benefit of the racers. When I’m done I will have highlighted the reasons why in our ever growing sport we as athletes need a union to organize these issues from happening. Protect the racers. I go to the test tracks and local sx tracks and watch good racers in the top 30 bust there butts for an industry that gives them nothing but stress and an almost impossible mission to make the entire season. This all going on while the owners of feld just recently became billionaires. It’s wrong. But the worst part is the cover up, the riders who ride for teams that get prior notice to drug tests while other teams don’t. That’s wrong. If a rider wants to cheat it’s on him.

There is no public information on any roi, this is where we can’t take control of our sport so racers can compete for a fair living. This is the main motiv. As a racer I knew I couldn’t speak up but as a fan and a trainer I know what needs to happen at the end of every training day. The racers need more from this big sport. It’s being ran by a corrupt system that wants to keep all the information secret so racers can’t speak up, and they use illegal rules in the rule book to scare racers into being quiet workers. It isn’t right and we all know it. I just happen to be the racer that doesn’t rely on them. The information I will be posting will change this, you as fans and parents and racers will thank me later for bringing this to light.
Jmicmoto13 wrote:
Have you and Tyler Evans been speaking lately? Serious question, is this what he was carrying on on Pulp about a few months ago?
I’ve never listened to a Matthes mouth, as much as he says, he’s doing nothing but pushing the agenda. This isn’t something I’ve known for a little bit of time but a long time. He likes to take real issues and make it a joke, like it’s not important. His mouth is paid off through interest of those people controlling media and the racers, who they want to keep quiet and in the dark. This is why there is a divide in how racers think, they aren't thinking for themselves, they are to busy being worried about how to jump over all these problems and race. It’s a complex system, but what they are doing is working against the best interest of the racers, so they can keep control and thus continue benefiting off us. Rather then it being the other way around.

Like I said, I will bring these issues into a bigger light, my timeline will aim to break down these walls, and bring awareness to the future scandal it will be.
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12/9/2017 3:21pm Edited Date/Time 12/9/2017 3:30pm
Wheather he is guilty or not. RC layed down with a Dog, now he's catching the fleas. Same as the AMA and anyone else that chooses to be associated with him (ACool . "Such is life".

Change starts with a conversation. Jeff has simply started that conversation.



12/9/2017 3:22pm
I’ve never listened to a Matthes mouth, as much as he says, he’s doing nothing but pushing the agenda. This isn’t something I’ve known for a...
I’ve never listened to a Matthes mouth, as much as he says, he’s doing nothing but pushing the agenda. This isn’t something I’ve known for a little bit of time but a long time. He likes to take real issues and make it a joke, like it’s not important. His mouth is paid off through interest of those people controlling media and the racers, who they want to keep quiet and in the dark. This is why there is a divide in how racers think, they aren't thinking for themselves, they are to busy being worried about how to jump over all these problems and race. It’s a complex system, but what they are doing is working against the best interest of the racers, so they can keep control and thus continue benefiting off us. Rather then it being the other way around.

Like I said, I will bring these issues into a bigger light, my timeline will aim to break down these walls, and bring awareness to the future scandal it will be.
For sure, but this reminds me of when Tyler Evans was talking about protecting the younger riders from the larger corporations who run the sport, etc. Someone get me a time stamp from show 292! Jeff, listen to this episode of Pulp and see if it is what you’re trying to convey.
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12/9/2017 3:25pm
...still with 801
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12/9/2017 3:32pm
Anddddddd...we reached 20.
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12/9/2017 3:35pm
Wow!!!!!
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12/9/2017 3:37pm
ML512 wrote:
Anddddddd...we reached 20.
And still no real answers and nothing concrete....
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12/9/2017 3:38pm
slipdog wrote:
...still with 801
Amazing this 20 seconds ago was post #1 on page 20 and now it’s the last post on page 19. Who’s comment got deleted. I’m watching boys.

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