Ya think Roger may wanna talk to Herlings?

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DaveI wrote:
He's already proved everything he needs to in Europe... KTM is going to sell in Europe no matter what... They have more to gain here in...
He's already proved everything he needs to in Europe...
KTM is going to sell in Europe no matter what...
They have more to gain here in the U.S. to bring the
title back with Herlings...
Coming to the U.S. and proving what he can do here would
really solidify his legacy...
I think you missed the point. The idea that the AMA represents elite motocross just melted down. Do you realize that Caroli or Gajser, on good days, can school Herlings? Think about that.

This is what's gonna solidify Herlings' legacy: He is gonna stay in Europe and win multiple MXGP titles. I hope Musquin and Roczen rejoin him one day and fight it out in the Big Leagues. The rest of the crowd are welcome to bounce up and down in stadiums, 'cause I don't give a shit about them.

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Didn’t they say something about him wanting to eclipse Stefan Everts 101 win record? I think he is at 64 now.
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Husky360 wrote:
Not sure about the arrogance issue but it is definitely ignorance if you think MXGP is a European championship.
Basically that's what it is...
A World Championship would have all the best riders
from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that...
It has some of the best riders in the world (mostly from Europe)...
As mentioned by another here that's because of territorial sport squabbles
between AMA and FIM, etc. A real world Championship would be more
like Motocross Des Nations and have rounds in countries all over the world...
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DaveI wrote:
He's already proved everything he needs to in Europe... KTM is going to sell in Europe no matter what... They have more to gain here in...
He's already proved everything he needs to in Europe...
KTM is going to sell in Europe no matter what...
They have more to gain here in the U.S. to bring the
title back with Herlings...
Coming to the U.S. and proving what he can do here would
really solidify his legacy...
Herlings will have no problem with a solid legacy. Geez

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Husky360 wrote:
Not sure about the arrogance issue but it is definitely ignorance if you think MXGP is a European championship.
DaveI wrote:
Basically that's what it is... A World Championship would have all the best riders from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that... It has some of...
Basically that's what it is...
A World Championship would have all the best riders
from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that...
It has some of the best riders in the world (mostly from Europe)...
As mentioned by another here that's because of territorial sport squabbles
between AMA and FIM, etc. A real world Championship would be more
like Motocross Des Nations and have rounds in countries all over the world...
You mean like MXGP less 3 Americans
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Husky360 wrote:
Not sure about the arrogance issue but it is definitely ignorance if you think MXGP is a European championship.
DaveI wrote:
Basically that's what it is... A World Championship would have all the best riders from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that... It has some of...
Basically that's what it is...
A World Championship would have all the best riders
from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that...
It has some of the best riders in the world (mostly from Europe)...
As mentioned by another here that's because of territorial sport squabbles
between AMA and FIM, etc. A real world Championship would be more
like Motocross Des Nations and have rounds in countries all over the world...
109 wrote:
You mean like MXGP less 3 Americans
Haha you beat me to it
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And Australians and Canadians and Japanese and South Americans...etc.
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Husky360 wrote:
Not sure about the arrogance issue but it is definitely ignorance if you think MXGP is a European championship.
DaveI wrote:
Basically that's what it is... A World Championship would have all the best riders from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that... It has some of...
Basically that's what it is...
A World Championship would have all the best riders
from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that...
It has some of the best riders in the world (mostly from Europe)...
As mentioned by another here that's because of territorial sport squabbles
between AMA and FIM, etc. A real world Championship would be more
like Motocross Des Nations and have rounds in countries all over the world...
109 wrote:
You mean like MXGP less 3 Americans
Ouch
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I like him FO SHO. I'd call him jeff. Dunlops are cheap
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DaveI wrote:
Basically that's what it is... A World Championship would have all the best riders from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that... It has some of...
Basically that's what it is...
A World Championship would have all the best riders
from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that...
It has some of the best riders in the world (mostly from Europe)...
As mentioned by another here that's because of territorial sport squabbles
between AMA and FIM, etc. A real world Championship would be more
like Motocross Des Nations and have rounds in countries all over the world...
Please explain what impact territorial sport squabbles have anything to do with MXGP or MXoN.

18 MXGP rounds all over the globe constitutes a World Championship and riders from all countries around the world compete. No one is stopping Americans from racing but as RV found out, it isn't easy. I look forward to the next American(s) that comes over to race MXGP.
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Each entity wants to protect it's turf (control)...
But I admit that for the most part American motocross
racers do not want to race overseas (with a few exceptions)...
This has a lot to do with not much incentive or support for them
to do so. I'm sure it works in the reverse as well. Many
in Europe may not have any desire/support/incentive to race
the AMA events...So each can say they have the best but
you really will never know if two of the "best" never race against
each other....
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What does his supercross skills look like? MX is only half the pie here so it makes sense to stay in Europe if he wants to...
What does his supercross skills look like? MX is only half the pie here so it makes sense to stay in Europe if he wants to specialize in MX. I know he has said on several different occasions he had I interest racing the US as a kid.
The guy has skills on a bike so give him some time to practice and learn the discipline and in my opinion he'd be a front runner in a short amount of time.


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DaveI wrote:
Each entity wants to protect it's turf (control)... But I admit that for the most part American motocross racers do not want to race overseas (with...
Each entity wants to protect it's turf (control)...
But I admit that for the most part American motocross
racers do not want to race overseas (with a few exceptions)...
This has a lot to do with not much incentive or support for them
to do so. I'm sure it works in the reverse as well. Many
in Europe may not have any desire/support/incentive to race
the AMA events...So each can say they have the best but
you really will never know if two of the "best" never race against
each other....
They raced today?
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And we got schooled...
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DaveI wrote:
Three championships in Europe... Herlings comes here...One day of practice on a bike that is not the "premier" machine... And he destroys our best... 39th to...
Three championships in Europe...
Herlings comes here...One day of practice
on a bike that is not the "premier" machine...
And he destroys our best...
39th to 1st...Don't ever recall seeing that
much ever before...1/1 Overall..
Ya think Roger "might" wanna talk to
this guy about coming here for next year?
Yep Marvin just may not be the number one guy at KTM USA
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DaveI wrote:
Basically that's what it is... A World Championship would have all the best riders from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that... It has some of...
Basically that's what it is...
A World Championship would have all the best riders
from all over the world...MXGP doesn't have that...
It has some of the best riders in the world (mostly from Europe)...
As mentioned by another here that's because of territorial sport squabbles
between AMA and FIM, etc. A real world Championship would be more
like Motocross Des Nations and have rounds in countries all over the world...
109 wrote:
You mean like MXGP less 3 Americans
Andy_Greenney wrote:
Haha you beat me to it
Couldn't have described MXGP any better really
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More money...
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Herlings makes the same or more than Roczen. Some even say he`s the best paid racer out there right now.
And some people say that the world is flat.........

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Sadly I highly doubt he would jump to the U.S. A rider of his experience & stature doesn't ride 250 regional Supercross series. That's a shame for U.S. fans but no way can he jump straight into 450 Supercross either. It's just too dangerous for even a rider of his talent to start at his age. I'd love to see him run our 450 national series though. Obviously he has GP world titles to win.

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I don't think there is a place for JH84 in USA, Sure he may win the outdoors, but so what, from what we know the big...
I don't think there is a place for JH84 in USA,

Sure he may win the outdoors, but so what, from what we know the big money is in SX, his SX skills would be limited.

Nothing KTM USA could pay him to win an outdoors championship would compared to what he earns in the GP's.

That,s not saying that this may not interest him after he were to ever win a MXGP title.

Either way today shows he is a contender on either side of the pond.
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he wouldn't be able to contend for the title? I'm pretty sure Roczen, Musquin and Ferrandis aren't limited.
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I don't think there is a place for JH84 in USA, Sure he may win the outdoors, but so what, from what we know the big...
I don't think there is a place for JH84 in USA,

Sure he may win the outdoors, but so what, from what we know the big money is in SX, his SX skills would be limited.

Nothing KTM USA could pay him to win an outdoors championship would compared to what he earns in the GP's.

That,s not saying that this may not interest him after he were to ever win a MXGP title.

Either way today shows he is a contender on either side of the pond.
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So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he...
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he wouldn't be able to contend for the title? I'm pretty sure Roczen, Musquin and Ferrandis aren't limited.
Those guys were "young" enough that it made sense for them to race the regional 250F classes, where the talent of that class is cut basically in half making qualifying, making mains, and learning a little bit easier. I can't see Herlings racing in the 250 class, but if he were to race that for a couple of seasons and the 450 races when possible, he could probably become proficient. I think it'd take him quite a while to get to a Roczen-type level at SX though, if he even could. Outdoors? He'd obviously do well, but throw in the entire field and it wouldn't be as easy as it looked today. Especially with a full season of 450 SX, then Nationals.........

He would be a threat to win every weekend outdoors, though!
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The problem is between Luongo and AMA. It stupid to have 2 motocross championships. All top riders should be in MXGP and the season should start...
The problem is between Luongo and AMA. It stupid to have 2 motocross championships. All top riders should be in MXGP and the season should start just after the us supercross, with GP all around the world.

But it's the same problem with Formula One and IndyCar, americans don't like to race in other countries. Fortunately Roger DeCoster didn't want to stay in Europe all his life :-)

Maybe now there are many european top riders in US motocross the minds will change and the US riders will not see MXGP like a second class championship...

Then the Euros should have to race the SX season, then do the GPs too
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I don't think there is a place for JH84 in USA, Sure he may win the outdoors, but so what, from what we know the big...
I don't think there is a place for JH84 in USA,

Sure he may win the outdoors, but so what, from what we know the big money is in SX, his SX skills would be limited.

Nothing KTM USA could pay him to win an outdoors championship would compared to what he earns in the GP's.

That,s not saying that this may not interest him after he were to ever win a MXGP title.

Either way today shows he is a contender on either side of the pond.
agn5009 wrote:
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he...
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he wouldn't be able to contend for the title? I'm pretty sure Roczen, Musquin and Ferrandis aren't limited.
He doesn't care about the SX title, he just destroys them on real outdoor tracks. SX is a small carnival show to most in the GPs
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I don't think there is a place for JH84 in USA, Sure he may win the outdoors, but so what, from what we know the big...
I don't think there is a place for JH84 in USA,

Sure he may win the outdoors, but so what, from what we know the big money is in SX, his SX skills would be limited.

Nothing KTM USA could pay him to win an outdoors championship would compared to what he earns in the GP's.

That,s not saying that this may not interest him after he were to ever win a MXGP title.

Either way today shows he is a contender on either side of the pond.
agn5009 wrote:
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he...
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he wouldn't be able to contend for the title? I'm pretty sure Roczen, Musquin and Ferrandis aren't limited.
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He doesn't care about the SX title, he just destroys them on real outdoor tracks. SX is a small carnival show to most in the GPs
Is that why so many of the top GP riders have come to the U.S. fuckstick?
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agn5009 wrote:
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he...
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he wouldn't be able to contend for the title? I'm pretty sure Roczen, Musquin and Ferrandis aren't limited.
Yep wrote:
He doesn't care about the SX title, he just destroys them on real outdoor tracks. SX is a small carnival show to most in the GPs
pilotdude wrote:
Is that why so many of the top GP riders have come to the U.S. fuckstick?
Get over yourself. What he said was accurate.
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agn5009 wrote:
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he...
So, um, what exactly makes you think his SX skills would be limited? Sure, there would be a learning curve but do you honestly believe he wouldn't be able to contend for the title? I'm pretty sure Roczen, Musquin and Ferrandis aren't limited.
Yep wrote:
He doesn't care about the SX title, he just destroys them on real outdoor tracks. SX is a small carnival show to most in the GPs
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Is that why so many of the top GP riders have come to the U.S. fuckstick?
"Top GP riders"? Who?

MX2 guys have come over -- including some champions -- but that's when they didn't have sweet MX1/MXGP slots lined up. Why move up to face Cairoli during his 2009-2014 run? Roczen and Musquin would've chased that guy for years. He was freaking INVINCIBLE back then.
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He doesn't care about the SX title, he just destroys them on real outdoor tracks. SX is a small carnival show to most in the GPs
pilotdude wrote:
Is that why so many of the top GP riders have come to the U.S. fuckstick?
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"Top GP riders"? Who? MX2 guys have come over -- including some champions -- but that's when they didn't have sweet MX1/MXGP slots lined up. Why...
"Top GP riders"? Who?

MX2 guys have come over -- including some champions -- but that's when they didn't have sweet MX1/MXGP slots lined up. Why move up to face Cairoli during his 2009-2014 run? Roczen and Musquin would've chased that guy for years. He was freaking INVINCIBLE back then.
Thanks for making my point for me, with Roczen and Musquin being only the most recent to come over. Ratray, Pourcel, and the list goes on and on. But I understand why you would try to deny history. It's pretty obvious reading your posts where your head is.
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"Top GP riders"? Who? MX2 guys have come over -- including some champions -- but that's when they didn't have sweet MX1/MXGP slots lined up. Why...
"Top GP riders"? Who?

MX2 guys have come over -- including some champions -- but that's when they didn't have sweet MX1/MXGP slots lined up. Why move up to face Cairoli during his 2009-2014 run? Roczen and Musquin would've chased that guy for years. He was freaking INVINCIBLE back then.
Exactly, AC was Rossi-dominant. Plus I think an oft overlooked factor is the pull of the American "lifestyle" on younger guys. Racing against some of the world's best plays a part too
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Thanks for making my point for me, with Roczen and Musquin being only the most recent to come over. Ratray, Pourcel, and the list goes on...
Thanks for making my point for me, with Roczen and Musquin being only the most recent to come over. Ratray, Pourcel, and the list goes on and on. But I understand why you would try to deny history. It's pretty obvious reading your posts where your head is.
Those guys aren't "top" anything. You're making it sound as if Everts and Cairoli came to the US looking for the big time.

And you're arguing against yourself. Two of the best riders the AMA currently has -- maybe the best -- are FIM guys to begin with; the AMA field would be weak without them. Meanwhile, MXGP has more talent than they have top rides. It'd be great to have Roczen and Musquin in the GP series, but the MXGP field is ridiculously deep, and no one really misses them.

Herlings embarrassed the AMA field today. Torched their asses on a track he'd never even seen. Show us an American who could run a one-off at a place like Loket or Lommel and get a result anywhere close to that.
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Thanks for making my point for me, with Roczen and Musquin being only the most recent to come over. Ratray, Pourcel, and the list goes on...
Thanks for making my point for me, with Roczen and Musquin being only the most recent to come over. Ratray, Pourcel, and the list goes on and on. But I understand why you would try to deny history. It's pretty obvious reading your posts where your head is.
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Those guys aren't "top" anything. You're making it sound as if Everts and Cairoli came to the US looking for the big time. And you're arguing...
Those guys aren't "top" anything. You're making it sound as if Everts and Cairoli came to the US looking for the big time.

And you're arguing against yourself. Two of the best riders the AMA currently has -- maybe the best -- are FIM guys to begin with; the AMA field would be weak without them. Meanwhile, MXGP has more talent than they have top rides. It'd be great to have Roczen and Musquin in the GP series, but the MXGP field is ridiculously deep, and no one really misses them.

Herlings embarrassed the AMA field today. Torched their asses on a track he'd never even seen. Show us an American who could run a one-off at a place like Loket or Lommel and get a result anywhere close to that.
On a bike he has never raced on, too.

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