Ya think Roger may wanna talk to Herlings?

8/27/2017 12:07pm
Where have I said America is greatest? We just pay more (we as in racing here) pourcel races on a longer race schedule for less money...
Where have I said America is greatest?

We just pay more (we as in racing here)

pourcel races on a longer race schedule for less money in a country where most fans don't like him????

Musquin uproots his whole life for less money???

Roczen comes here because he wasn't the golden child herlings is and wasn't offered as much as herlings was??? I think not... roczen imho held more value than herlings when young.

You think astars pays herlings what fox pays roczen? I'd be surprised on that but maybe so.

You asserting that herlings race win bonus is twice that of the us win bonus? It would have to be with less races available if his money is equal.
You asserting the gp championship bonus is twice that of an sx and mx bonus?

When dungey double titled, his bonuses for races and championships was likely more than his base pay.

I think the gps have it going on in a host of ways. I think the us outdoors is facing extinction if they can't solve some issues. American mx as a whole isn't healthy. Our grooming system sucks. Rules aren't being made to grow the sport regarding bikes and such. Costs are high, payoff rare and low relative to other opportunities. The "media" is a glorified marketing company under the guise of "reporting".
dont feel sorry for Herlings , he makes a lot of money at KTM and same goes for Cairoli . Both are multi miljonairs , dont let it fool you as they "only" race MXGP. But as in the USA you have SX and MX i understand that riders who are top at both series could make more money with bonusses, sponsorships etc
and why wouldnt Astars pay herlings more ?? you think the US market is bigger for FOX as is the world market for A stars ?
8/27/2017 12:09pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2017 12:11pm
Where have I said America is greatest? We just pay more (we as in racing here) pourcel races on a longer race schedule for less money...
Where have I said America is greatest?

We just pay more (we as in racing here)

pourcel races on a longer race schedule for less money in a country where most fans don't like him????

Musquin uproots his whole life for less money???

Roczen comes here because he wasn't the golden child herlings is and wasn't offered as much as herlings was??? I think not... roczen imho held more value than herlings when young.

You think astars pays herlings what fox pays roczen? I'd be surprised on that but maybe so.

You asserting that herlings race win bonus is twice that of the us win bonus? It would have to be with less races available if his money is equal.
You asserting the gp championship bonus is twice that of an sx and mx bonus?

When dungey double titled, his bonuses for races and championships was likely more than his base pay.

I think the gps have it going on in a host of ways. I think the us outdoors is facing extinction if they can't solve some issues. American mx as a whole isn't healthy. Our grooming system sucks. Rules aren't being made to grow the sport regarding bikes and such. Costs are high, payoff rare and low relative to other opportunities. The "media" is a glorified marketing company under the guise of "reporting".
Derek,

I am not asserting anything other than Herlings will never be a full-time AMA guy. It's just not happening.

As for the rest, frankly I agree with most of it. The feeder systems, that MX isn't healthy due to costs, insanely intensive schedules at young ages, etc, etc.

I have no idea what Herlings make in comparison to the top guys over here, but I do know he and Cairoli make a VERY healthy living while not having to retire at 26 or 27yrs of age due to burn out. There was a time, and recently as you point out with Roczen and Marv, where "coming to America," was still the thing - I don't think it is generally the case anymore. There are always going to be guys who want to come for whatever reason, but I know if it were me and I was making a good living over there with their lifestyle, I'd be pretty hard pressed to come here and face the grind.

As for the mx media, Matthes is probably the only one who reports even reasonably. It's a niche sport with niche media. Always has been, always will be.
8/27/2017 12:30pm
Where have I said America is greatest? We just pay more (we as in racing here) pourcel races on a longer race schedule for less money...
Where have I said America is greatest?

We just pay more (we as in racing here)

pourcel races on a longer race schedule for less money in a country where most fans don't like him????

Musquin uproots his whole life for less money???

Roczen comes here because he wasn't the golden child herlings is and wasn't offered as much as herlings was??? I think not... roczen imho held more value than herlings when young.

You think astars pays herlings what fox pays roczen? I'd be surprised on that but maybe so.

You asserting that herlings race win bonus is twice that of the us win bonus? It would have to be with less races available if his money is equal.
You asserting the gp championship bonus is twice that of an sx and mx bonus?

When dungey double titled, his bonuses for races and championships was likely more than his base pay.

I think the gps have it going on in a host of ways. I think the us outdoors is facing extinction if they can't solve some issues. American mx as a whole isn't healthy. Our grooming system sucks. Rules aren't being made to grow the sport regarding bikes and such. Costs are high, payoff rare and low relative to other opportunities. The "media" is a glorified marketing company under the guise of "reporting".
dont feel sorry for Herlings , he makes a lot of money at KTM and same goes for Cairoli . Both are multi miljonairs , dont...
dont feel sorry for Herlings , he makes a lot of money at KTM and same goes for Cairoli . Both are multi miljonairs , dont let it fool you as they "only" race MXGP. But as in the USA you have SX and MX i understand that riders who are top at both series could make more money with bonusses, sponsorships etc
and why wouldnt Astars pay herlings more ?? you think the US market is bigger for FOX as is the world market for A stars ?
Fox isn't a world wide brand?


It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally.

And maybe herlings won't, but after this weekend, if you think he isn't seriously considering it... I think your nuts... and that of course is just my opinion.
8/27/2017 12:56pm
Fox isn't a world wide brand? It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally. And maybe herlings won't, but after...
Fox isn't a world wide brand?


It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally.

And maybe herlings won't, but after this weekend, if you think he isn't seriously considering it... I think your nuts... and that of course is just my opinion.
Nevermind , only told you a fact ..herlings is getting paid very well and asked you a question.


and if you still think herlings is coming over ... im speechless Wink

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8/27/2017 1:03pm
Fox isn't a world wide brand? It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally. And maybe herlings won't, but after...
Fox isn't a world wide brand?


It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally.

And maybe herlings won't, but after this weekend, if you think he isn't seriously considering it... I think your nuts... and that of course is just my opinion.
2000-2010 was an awesome time, wasn`t it?
8/27/2017 1:06pm
Nevermind , only told you a fact ..herlings is getting paid very well and asked you a question. and if you still think herlings is coming...
Nevermind , only told you a fact ..herlings is getting paid very well and asked you a question.


and if you still think herlings is coming over ... im speechless Wink
I think Derek may have CTE.... lol


Derek, he is NOT COMING. EVER.... Deal with it.
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8/27/2017 1:09pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2017 1:10pm
Fox isn't a world wide brand? It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally. And maybe herlings won't, but after...
Fox isn't a world wide brand?


It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally.

And maybe herlings won't, but after this weekend, if you think he isn't seriously considering it... I think your nuts... and that of course is just my opinion.
Unless Herlings decided he wants to become an SX superstar he wont be moving to US nats.

Herlings is a sand specialist, watching him ride places like Lommel is very special. Be a pretty sad day if he were to transfer to a series without any sand tracks.
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8/27/2017 1:17pm
U forgot sand section in SX lol.
8/27/2017 1:21pm
Fox isn't a world wide brand? It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally. And maybe herlings won't, but after...
Fox isn't a world wide brand?


It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally.

And maybe herlings won't, but after this weekend, if you think he isn't seriously considering it... I think your nuts... and that of course is just my opinion.
kongols wrote:
2000-2010 was an awesome time, wasn`t it?

If you mean the rise of euro talent...

American mx is dying from the ground up. And finally we get to see this at top level racing, it takes years for consequences to be seen to decisions, American promotion and media Are not doing the sport any favors. Mx is literally my life, it's my business full time and it was my passion growing up as was most of us here.

We won the Lorettas title on our engine package this year in Supermini 1 and 2... with a kid who is clearly a top talent who literally has no ride. He buys his bikes, pays for services... and imho is the most talented kid since bubba in raw speed out of the us.

That may change next year after his performance... but I've worked with other customers who have had am titles who also...bought bikes, paid for services, and were incredible talents. Some of which have quit... the reward at the top level...is less than some of these families earn doing their current jobs. Why spend it and risk it???

This has been ongoing for quite some time... and kids with incredible talent are getting outspent and exposed to other faucets if life that are more rewarding. Our amatuer title system and local and regional race organization is horrible.
We need our own version of an emx125 series. We need our own version of an emx250 series...

some rides are bought by wealthy families here... more rides than people ever realize... and it's becoming a shit show. You wanna race pro? Better have deep pockets that don't mind loosing money!
Local pro racing in our area is dead, regional pro racing may bring 6-10 rider gates, And payout is so weak you might break even on the weekend to win.

Despite this... yes top guys in the us imho still make more than euro guys. Not per race! Just gross numbers

And lifestyle and living in the us, despite what many of the euros think...is still quite great here. I'm an immigrant to the states... and until something changes... I think it (despite the massive flaws) is still the best place to live
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8/27/2017 1:22pm
DaveI wrote:
He's already proved everything he needs to in Europe... KTM is going to sell in Europe no matter what... They have more to gain here in...
He's already proved everything he needs to in Europe...
KTM is going to sell in Europe no matter what...
They have more to gain here in the U.S. to bring the
title back with Herlings...
Coming to the U.S. and proving what he can do here would
really solidify his legacy...
Sodipop wrote:
No it wouldn't. This is why people worldwide think Americans are arrogant.
We are arrogant. They should think that.
8/27/2017 1:27pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2017 4:26pm
Katoomey wrote:
We are arrogant. They should think that.
Compared to Herlings, I don't see how ANYONE in the US can be considered arrogant.
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If you think there is anything wrong with being pumped on a win (like that) and talking about it, you are what's wrong with the world.
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8/27/2017 2:40pm
Herlings even said tomac backed it off to win the championship. Im not saying he would have won but people are acting like tomac went all out and got smoked. A better test is going to be the usgp well see then who steps it up then.
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8/27/2017 3:28pm
Only way I see Herlings coming to the AMA is if he wins the next 4/5years worth of GP titles then comes over after. His primary focus is GPs, but he's earned big respect for racing this race, fingers crossed it can happen again, and with more riders wanting to do so, both ways
8/27/2017 3:48pm


The allure to come here... is strong. I'll eat the crow if he doesn't. Big deal.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/08/27/211750/s1200_IMG_0369.jpg[/img] The allure to come here... is strong. I'll eat the crow if he doesn't. Big deal.


The allure to come here... is strong. I'll eat the crow if he doesn't. Big deal.
What does Pourcel liking his life in Florida with his wife have to do with Herlings wanting to race here?

Pourcel wanted to race SX just like Musquin and Roczen did so he came here. Herlings doesn't so he won't. What aren't you getting?
8/27/2017 4:11pm
If you don't get it you don't get it. Pourel wants to be an sx star?
No.
He wants the money that comes with being an sx star.

I also didn't post the rest of his words, he said it is "one of the best days of his life, being in a free country where you feel safe is a great feeling. "

The Allure to come is very strong...

Especially after kicking everyone's ass with ease.
You don't think aldon is telling him right this very moment he should come over, get in the bakers program and become a us star?
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8/27/2017 4:17pm
If you don't get it you don't get it. Pourel wants to be an sx star? No. He wants the money that comes with being an...
If you don't get it you don't get it. Pourel wants to be an sx star?
No.
He wants the money that comes with being an sx star.

I also didn't post the rest of his words, he said it is "one of the best days of his life, being in a free country where you feel safe is a great feeling. "

The Allure to come is very strong...

Especially after kicking everyone's ass with ease.
You don't think aldon is telling him right this very moment he should come over, get in the bakers program and become a us star?
He wants to be MXGP World Champion. He probably doesn't care about being a US star regardless of what Baker is or isn't telling him.
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8/27/2017 5:45pm
Where have I said America is greatest? We just pay more (we as in racing here) pourcel races on a longer race schedule for less money...
Where have I said America is greatest?

We just pay more (we as in racing here)

pourcel races on a longer race schedule for less money in a country where most fans don't like him????

Musquin uproots his whole life for less money???

Roczen comes here because he wasn't the golden child herlings is and wasn't offered as much as herlings was??? I think not... roczen imho held more value than herlings when young.

You think astars pays herlings what fox pays roczen? I'd be surprised on that but maybe so.

You asserting that herlings race win bonus is twice that of the us win bonus? It would have to be with less races available if his money is equal.
You asserting the gp championship bonus is twice that of an sx and mx bonus?

When dungey double titled, his bonuses for races and championships was likely more than his base pay.

I think the gps have it going on in a host of ways. I think the us outdoors is facing extinction if they can't solve some issues. American mx as a whole isn't healthy. Our grooming system sucks. Rules aren't being made to grow the sport regarding bikes and such. Costs are high, payoff rare and low relative to other opportunities. The "media" is a glorified marketing company under the guise of "reporting".
Sodipop wrote:
So arrogant
And 100% fucking correct. You might want to listen to Derek a little on this , because he knows more then you think.
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8/27/2017 5:54pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2017 5:55pm
Fox isn't a world wide brand? It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally. And maybe herlings won't, but after...
Fox isn't a world wide brand?


It's so defensive on here like I attacked Europe, the gps... or anyone personally.

And maybe herlings won't, but after this weekend, if you think he isn't seriously considering it... I think your nuts... and that of course is just my opinion.
kongols wrote:
2000-2010 was an awesome time, wasn`t it?
You mean , from 1981 - 2011? And here is another little tidbit for you guys on here talking shit......

Only one country has been more consistent then us at the MXoN's in the past 5 years we haven't won.....that would be Belgium. Even with France winning the last 3 , they are 1 position behind us in the past 5 years for consistency.

So yeah , the past 30 years was pretty damn awesome. The last 5 weren't all that bad either with a 3rd , 2nd , 3rd , 2nd and 3rd. And we have podiumed what?.....like 17 years strait?

Haha......yeah! It's been pretty fucking awesome dude. Laughing
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jeffro503 wrote:
You mean , from 1981 - 2011? And here is another little tidbit for you guys on here talking shit...... Only one country has been more...
You mean , from 1981 - 2011? And here is another little tidbit for you guys on here talking shit......

Only one country has been more consistent then us at the MXoN's in the past 5 years we haven't won.....that would be Belgium. Even with France winning the last 3 , they are 1 position behind us in the past 5 years for consistency.

So yeah , the past 30 years was pretty damn awesome. The last 5 weren't all that bad either with a 3rd , 2nd , 3rd , 2nd and 3rd. And we have podiumed what?.....like 17 years strait?

Haha......yeah! It's been pretty fucking awesome dude. Laughing
I was talking about a time when USA riders would make 10x more than GP riders. That time has passed.
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8/28/2017 1:57am
Hey Jeffro... remember our little bet? Smile






I dont need the money. You can make a small donation to an organisation helping people affected by Hurricane Harvey instead if you like.
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8/28/2017 6:01am
kongols wrote:
I was talking about a time when USA riders would make 10x more than GP riders. That time has passed.
Give it up... No one wants to believe it that Herlings is one of the top 2 best paid mx/sx racers on the planet.
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kongols wrote:
I was talking about a time when USA riders would make 10x more than GP riders. That time has passed.
ayearinmx wrote:
Give it up... No one wants to believe it that Herlings is one of the top 2 best paid mx/sx racers on the planet.
And the other guy is a German....
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kongols wrote:
I was talking about a time when USA riders would make 10x more than GP riders. That time has passed.
ayearinmx wrote:
Give it up... No one wants to believe it that Herlings is one of the top 2 best paid mx/sx racers on the planet.
Jefro98 wrote:
And the other guy is a German....
I think Eli winning the title just made him the highest paid rider at least this year when win bonsus come into play. 13 wins and a title, and for all we know he has the highest base although we all assume it's Ken. It would be cool to see what the top guys make and if championships trigger big raise clauses like Dungey's did and I would assume AC being they are both KTM.
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8/28/2017 7:09am
jamma10 wrote:
Hey Jeffro... remember our little bet? :) I dont need the money. You can make a small donation to an organisation helping people affected by Hurricane...
Hey Jeffro... remember our little bet? Smile






I dont need the money. You can make a small donation to an organisation helping people affected by Hurricane Harvey instead if you like.
Sure Jamma , tell me where to send it , or I can send it to you this evening in a paypal and you can donate it if you wish. Sound good? If you can , send me a paypal link in a PM.
8/28/2017 12:12pm
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And 100% fucking correct. You might want to listen to Derek a little on this , because he knows more then you think.
LaughingLaughing serious ? have you even read all his comments ?
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jamma10 wrote:
Hey Jeffro... remember our little bet? :) I dont need the money. You can make a small donation to an organisation helping people affected by Hurricane...
Hey Jeffro... remember our little bet? Smile






I dont need the money. You can make a small donation to an organisation helping people affected by Hurricane Harvey instead if you like.
jeffro503 wrote:
Sure Jamma , tell me where to send it , or I can send it to you this evening in a paypal and you can donate...
Sure Jamma , tell me where to send it , or I can send it to you this evening in a paypal and you can donate it if you wish. Sound good? If you can , send me a paypal link in a PM.
It's cool man, honestly dont worry about it. Musquins little get off on the last lap saved my bacon so let's just call it quits.

If you feel inclined you can donate $10 to the redcross but I'm not going to hold you to it. Smile

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