If Wacko wins, will he take the 5, 7, 8 or 9?

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TXDirt 7/3/2017 5:37pm
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I like when the numbers change over year to year. Hate this career number crap. Webb has won a single out door title and now gets the number two forever. Martin has won two outdoor titles but two wasn't available so he took 6 and has that forever.

This whole career number crap is stupid. Just go back to running what you earn year to year.
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flatout111 wrote:
Assuming, Stew does something to keep the 7 and doesn't retire and pops up at MEC, I wonder if Zacho goes for the single if he...
Assuming, Stew does something to keep the 7 and doesn't retire and pops up at MEC, I wonder if Zacho goes for the single if he wins the Outdoors. I could see him taking the 5. Will be interesting. Of course, you gotta win first but it seems like Wackos year.

If Stew doesn't talk to someone I guess the 7 may be on the list as well but I don't see that happening until he actually retires.
What points would he earn at the Monster Energy Cup?
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GuyB 7/3/2017 6:28pm
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dsmith wrote:
someone has to snatch the #7....is it possible Barcia could get that #7 if he wanted?...who else can pick the #7?
TDeath21 wrote:
Riders who can pick 7 that aren't running a single digit already:

Reed
Canard
Wilson
Roczen
Those guys already have permanent numbers. Short of winning a National or Supercross title, and running the number one, how do they pounce on something else?

I get the feeling there's some mass confusion on how the system works.
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twotwosix wrote:
Should JT. Should. lol We all know the AMA does as they please... I bet they hold 7 for James if he says he wants to...
Should JT. Should. lol We all know the AMA does as they please... I bet they hold 7 for James if he says he wants to come back at A1. They held RC's #4 for a while unjustly.
Wow, you sound like an insider. Wink

Unjustly? They retired his number for several years after RC hung up the helmet.

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MX_Andrew83 7/3/2017 7:20pm
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I would like to see him put the number 7 back in action
Aussie_power_sports 7/3/2017 8:00pm
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dsmith wrote:
someone has to snatch the #7....is it possible Barcia could get that #7 if he wanted?...who else can pick the #7?
barcia hasnt won a national championship and to be honest its looking like he never will.
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RichieW13 wrote:
I'm not sure why they would reserve the 7 for Stewart, since he's been M.I.A. this year. I could understand giving him an exception if he's...
I'm not sure why they would reserve the 7 for Stewart, since he's been M.I.A. this year. I could understand giving him an exception if he's been coming out to the races or keeping fans updated on his plans, etc.

But we haven't heard anything. Rules say you have to earn 25 points or be injured to keep your number. Stew hasn't done either.

On the other hand, I can't imagine anybody taking his number this year - out of respect.
What Stewart is, or isnt going to do, has been a mystery for quite some time now. I wouldn't expect anyone considering taking 7 to try and speculate his status, out of respect.
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dsmith wrote:
someone has to snatch the #7....is it possible Barcia could get that #7 if he wanted?...who else can pick the #7?
Aussie_power_sports wrote:
barcia hasnt won a national championship and to be honest its looking like he never will.
I had to go look that up, and yip your correct, no 250 outdoors title. For some reason I always thought he had.
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visser62 7/3/2017 9:14pm
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I think #8 would look pretty good on the Husky.
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GuyB wrote:
Those guys already have permanent numbers. Short of winning a National or Supercross title, and running the number one, how do they pounce on something else...
Those guys already have permanent numbers. Short of winning a National or Supercross title, and running the number one, how do they pounce on something else?

I get the feeling there's some mass confusion on how the system works.
I think the confusion comes from when Stewart switched from 259 to 7. His original permanent number was 259 from his 2002 125 National title and he switched to 7 after the 2005 season when he didn't win a title.

Obviously rules change over 12 years but for some of the past champs they didn't have a large selection of single digit permanent numbers to choose from after they won so they kept their 2 digit number for sentimental reasons.
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KirkChandler 7/3/2017 9:41pm
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RichieW13 wrote:
Anybody else think that you should have to win a 450 championship to earn a single-digit number?
I agree.

There's only 2 current permanent numbers that were earned in the 450 class. Reed #22 and Roczen #94.

Other than that the original permanent numbers of McGrath #2, Larocco #5, and Albertyn #7 were earned with 250/450 premiere championships only. When the permanent numbers were selected they went by number of titles earned, with premiere class titles having more weight than 125 titles if there were ties.

Every other permanent number has been from 125/250F national championships. With how 450 titles are harder to achieve, you end up with 250 national champions having numbers 2,3,4, and 6, and with numbers 5 and 7 currently "retired" there are no current single digit 450 champions, although Eli or Blake could change that by August. (Or Anderson or Musquin take the title and take a single digit).
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RichieW13 7/3/2017 9:52pm
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Good stuff!

While we're at it, 250 points should not count the same as 450 points towards national numbers.
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twotwosix 7/3/2017 9:57pm
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It's a broken system.
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twotwosix wrote:
Should JT. Should. lol We all know the AMA does as they please... I bet they hold 7 for James if he says he wants to...
Should JT. Should. lol We all know the AMA does as they please... I bet they hold 7 for James if he says he wants to come back at A1. They held RC's #4 for a while unjustly.
GuyB wrote:
Wow, you sound like an insider. Wink

Unjustly? They retired his number for several years after RC hung up the helmet.
Correct. So Steve, you think randomly retiring a number for a few years is the right way to do it? MC didn't get his number temporarily retired. Neither did RV. You support that? Also, being right doesn't make someone an "insider" or whatever the hell that means.
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twotwosix wrote:
Should JT. Should. lol We all know the AMA does as they please... I bet they hold 7 for James if he says he wants to...
Should JT. Should. lol We all know the AMA does as they please... I bet they hold 7 for James if he says he wants to come back at A1. They held RC's #4 for a while unjustly.
GuyB wrote:
Wow, you sound like an insider. Wink

Unjustly? They retired his number for several years after RC hung up the helmet.
twotwosix wrote:
Correct. So Steve, you think randomly retiring a number for a few years is the right way to do it? MC didn't get his number temporarily...
Correct. So Steve, you think randomly retiring a number for a few years is the right way to do it? MC didn't get his number temporarily retired. Neither did RV. You support that? Also, being right doesn't make someone an "insider" or whatever the hell that means.
"...several years...."

I remember it was 5 years....thats a long time.

I agree with 226 - savings numbers / putting numbers on hold after a guy retires is just ridiculous.

Zach should take #8 if he wins, IMO.
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flatout111 7/3/2017 11:33pm
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flatout111 wrote:
Assuming, Stew does something to keep the 7 and doesn't retire and pops up at MEC, I wonder if Zacho goes for the single if he...
Assuming, Stew does something to keep the 7 and doesn't retire and pops up at MEC, I wonder if Zacho goes for the single if he wins the Outdoors. I could see him taking the 5. Will be interesting. Of course, you gotta win first but it seems like Wackos year.

If Stew doesn't talk to someone I guess the 7 may be on the list as well but I don't see that happening until he actually retires.
GuyB wrote:
What points would he earn at the Monster Energy Cup?
No, you're right, GuyB. I know no points to be earned at MEC. of course. I was basically pointing that out as that is the rumored return, if it happens. By the rule, he should lose it but I'm sure he could speak with someone and if he's not retiring I doubt they strip him of it.
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Tarz483 7/4/2017 11:30pm
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TXDirt wrote:
I like when the numbers change over year to year. Hate this career number crap. Webb has won a single out door title and now gets...
I like when the numbers change over year to year. Hate this career number crap. Webb has won a single out door title and now gets the number two forever. Martin has won two outdoor titles but two wasn't available so he took 6 and has that forever.

This whole career number crap is stupid. Just go back to running what you earn year to year.
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rancor19 7/5/2017 5:19am
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If he wins it, Zach should take the #1 next year if he stays in the 250's. If he moves up he should run the #101 and then whatever he earned the year after that.

Here's my system:
- Run what you earn. 1-99 in each class(black/white background) with #100 being the alternate to #13.
- Riders moving from the 250's into the 450 class run 101 thru 199 depending on what they last earned in the 250 class(example: Webb would be running the 101 this year and Davalos would be running the 112)
- Current/Former champs can run their initials instead of numbers if racing in the class they are current/former champs of)
-Visiting foreigners of standing(points holders in the GP's etc.) can pick a remaining(unassigned) two-digit or available number from 200-999.

Simple.

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For many years I was not a fan of permanent numbers. rather, I preferred riders running numbers based on how they did previously. Now, having gotten used to the idea of permanent numbers, I'm a fan. I look back and see old riders with different numbers and I can't figure out who they are for a minute. I don't think the system is broke.
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rancor19 7/5/2017 5:23am
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TXDirt wrote:
I like when the numbers change over year to year. Hate this career number crap. Webb has won a single out door title and now gets...
I like when the numbers change over year to year. Hate this career number crap. Webb has won a single out door title and now gets the number two forever. Martin has won two outdoor titles but two wasn't available so he took 6 and has that forever.

This whole career number crap is stupid. Just go back to running what you earn year to year.
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+1
OK, I honestly didn't read the post previous to my last. Not just jumping on the bandwagon lol.
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downard254 7/5/2017 9:43am
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Any chance we could add symbols to the numbering system. You know, to mix it up a bit.

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Mini Elsinore 7/5/2017 9:46am
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Run what you earn.
Yeah, I know----"but NASCAR..." Not buying into it.
FELD won't even let riders sell branded gear at races, so what is the point?
Plus, I remember Hannah running 39, 2, 100, etc. and each number tells a story about that year.
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dsmith wrote:
someone has to snatch the #7....is it possible Barcia could get that #7 if he wanted?...who else can pick the #7?
TDeath21 wrote:
Riders who can pick 7 that aren't running a single digit already:

Reed
Canard
Wilson
Roczen
GuyB wrote:
Those guys already have permanent numbers. Short of winning a National or Supercross title, and running the number one, how do they pounce on something else...
Those guys already have permanent numbers. Short of winning a National or Supercross title, and running the number one, how do they pounce on something else?

I get the feeling there's some mass confusion on how the system works.
I just thought if there was an available single digit number that you could take it if you're a former champion. Excluding regional SX championships of course.
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rancor19 wrote:
If he wins it, Zach should take the #1 next year if he stays in the 250's. If he moves up he should run the #101...
If he wins it, Zach should take the #1 next year if he stays in the 250's. If he moves up he should run the #101 and then whatever he earned the year after that.

Here's my system:
- Run what you earn. 1-99 in each class(black/white background) with #100 being the alternate to #13.
- Riders moving from the 250's into the 450 class run 101 thru 199 depending on what they last earned in the 250 class(example: Webb would be running the 101 this year and Davalos would be running the 112)
- Current/Former champs can run their initials instead of numbers if racing in the class they are current/former champs of)
-Visiting foreigners of standing(points holders in the GP's etc.) can pick a remaining(unassigned) two-digit or available number from 200-999.

Simple.

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RichieW13 7/5/2017 11:36am
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rancor19 wrote:
If he wins it, Zach should take the #1 next year if he stays in the 250's. If he moves up he should run the #101...
If he wins it, Zach should take the #1 next year if he stays in the 250's. If he moves up he should run the #101 and then whatever he earned the year after that.

Here's my system:
- Run what you earn. 1-99 in each class(black/white background) with #100 being the alternate to #13.
- Riders moving from the 250's into the 450 class run 101 thru 199 depending on what they last earned in the 250 class(example: Webb would be running the 101 this year and Davalos would be running the 112)
- Current/Former champs can run their initials instead of numbers if racing in the class they are current/former champs of)
-Visiting foreigners of standing(points holders in the GP's etc.) can pick a remaining(unassigned) two-digit or available number from 200-999.

Simple.

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I think defending champions are required to use the #1.
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ATHEIST 7/5/2017 12:05pm
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TXDirt wrote:
I like when the numbers change over year to year. Hate this career number crap. Webb has won a single out door title and now gets...
I like when the numbers change over year to year. Hate this career number crap. Webb has won a single out door title and now gets the number two forever. Martin has won two outdoor titles but two wasn't available so he took 6 and has that forever.

This whole career number crap is stupid. Just go back to running what you earn year to year.
AGREE, never liked it when they changed it.
jorgechavez 7/5/2017 12:37pm
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It's already confusing enough as it is with people national numbers switching every year, I like having numbers that stay constant so I can actually tell who it is.. to this day I see a pro circuit bike with 46 and think it's Cianciarulo.

Please don't go back to running whatever number they earned, they do it here in Canada and I still have no idea who is who
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jorgechavez wrote:
It's already confusing enough as it is with people national numbers switching every year, I like having numbers that stay constant so I can actually tell...
It's already confusing enough as it is with people national numbers switching every year, I like having numbers that stay constant so I can actually tell who it is.. to this day I see a pro circuit bike with 46 and think it's Cianciarulo.

Please don't go back to running whatever number they earned, they do it here in Canada and I still have no idea who is who
They post numbers each year , who earned what , no need for assigned numbers
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downard254 7/5/2017 2:38pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
It's already confusing enough as it is with people national numbers switching every year, I like having numbers that stay constant so I can actually tell...
It's already confusing enough as it is with people national numbers switching every year, I like having numbers that stay constant so I can actually tell who it is.. to this day I see a pro circuit bike with 46 and think it's Cianciarulo.

Please don't go back to running whatever number they earned, they do it here in Canada and I still have no idea who is who
I can still remember Henry started making a name with the number 69, then the following year he was 39, then 16. It used to take me all of a week to have all the new numbers memorized with their respective riders. Hard core followers never had a problem.

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