Tomac could have been dirty if he wanted.

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gt80rider 5/7/2017 9:44am
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He should have waited on that second one and fucking punted the shit out of him.
Exactly. Running him high wasn't really gonna help him. He should have done it the right way, like Ozzy did in the previous main, and put RD in the dirt. You cant half ass it with the championship on the line.
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TDeath21 5/7/2017 9:45am
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You could argue that it did work. Dungey cut the track and definitely gained an advantage. By the letter of the law, he could be docked...
You could argue that it did work. Dungey cut the track and definitely gained an advantage. By the letter of the law, he could be docked two positions.
Ace Dudemeister wrote:
RD was pushed off the track. I think the rules probably state he needs to safely get back on without an advantage. Didn't that happen?
He went off the track a few bike lengths behind Tomac and came back on a few ahead of him while going at a decently high rate of speed around the obstacles that Tomac had to go through. In my opinion, that's an advantage gained. But they never enforce that rule, so I don't blame Dungey a bit for doing it.
Ace Dudemeister 5/7/2017 9:45am
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In the end, you want to make money. This is a job and these guys are getting paid very handsomly. In the end their job description...
In the end, you want to make money.
This is a job and these guys are getting paid very handsomly. In the end their job description is to win the championship.

A championship pays Eli a lot more than a win bonus. What's so hard to understand about this? It's a business.
I would argue ETs tactics to win at all costs will have a negative impact on him and Kawasaki. He should have left RD in the jaws of 3rd - 6th (by bunching them up) and then won the race.
Ace Dudemeister 5/7/2017 9:46am
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He went off the track a few bike lengths behind Tomac and came back on a few ahead of him while going at a decently high...
He went off the track a few bike lengths behind Tomac and came back on a few ahead of him while going at a decently high rate of speed around the obstacles that Tomac had to go through. In my opinion, that's an advantage gained. But they never enforce that rule, so I don't blame Dungey a bit for doing it.
I had a small screen/ phone and didn't notice that. I thought he came out behind ET.

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TDeath21 5/7/2017 9:48am
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He went off the track a few bike lengths behind Tomac and came back on a few ahead of him while going at a decently high...
He went off the track a few bike lengths behind Tomac and came back on a few ahead of him while going at a decently high rate of speed around the obstacles that Tomac had to go through. In my opinion, that's an advantage gained. But they never enforce that rule, so I don't blame Dungey a bit for doing it.
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I had a small screen/ phone and didn't notice that. I thought he came out behind ET.
Came out ahead of him, but due to his entry point, he rolled the jump and Tomac jumped past him.
TheNewOriginal 5/7/2017 9:50am
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Tomac could have won the title.... 3 times he could have done what Oz did to Savatgy. But he did not. Taking the line away and...
Tomac could have won the title.... 3 times he could have done what Oz did to Savatgy. But he did not. Taking the line away and even forcing someone off the track is not dirty when a title is at stake. Oz....THAT was dirty.
Bullshit. Dungey was expecting it and checked up every time or Tomac would have cleaned him out.
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KennyT 5/7/2017 9:55am
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When you race backwards intentionally and make contact 3 times I would consider that dirty riding.

Osborne was racing forward at a unbelievable pace while Joey was riding tight and slow. He had no option but to move past the slow moving vehicle in front of him and never look back. Joey lost the title as much as Zach won it.


Eli lost the title because HE choked in the previous race. No need to intentionally knock your competitor off of the track when he did nothing wrong except ride consistently all season.
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Sodipop 5/7/2017 10:04am
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I just watched it and can't believe that is what everyone is outraged about. I thought he played that race as well as possibly. Basically perfect keeping the top 5 close and then making a few aggressive passes.
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nytsmaC 5/7/2017 10:09am
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Are you serious?
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Are you?
Absolutely. Eli could have really blasted him if he had no regard for Dungey's safety. He used the right amount of restraint, IMHO. If he wanted to hurt him he could have, and he didn't.
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ob 5/7/2017 10:18am
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I lost a lot of respect for Tomac last night. If he wanted to win the championship that bad he should have come into the series with his shit together, and not floundered around the race before the final. Dungey looked good last night especially in tat heat race. I don't think Tomac should have ridden like that, it didn't help him in the end. There's always next year.
Ace Dudemeister 5/7/2017 10:32am
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nytsmaC wrote:
Are you serious?
Ace Dudemeister wrote:
Are you?
nytsmaC wrote:
Absolutely. Eli could have really blasted him if he had no regard for Dungey's safety. He used the right amount of restraint, IMHO. If he wanted...
Absolutely. Eli could have really blasted him if he had no regard for Dungey's safety. He used the right amount of restraint, IMHO. If he wanted to hurt him he could have, and he didn't.
I agree with the last one but not the first two. The first one was an attempt to take RD out because it was done high on the berm after the apex. Had RD not been prepared he would have fallen down the face of the berm with his foot extended underneath him but with nothing but air.

The second one was done at some speed and RD was booted off the track.

If you do these things you clearly don't have any regard for anyone less safety.

Give him a gun.
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Hcallz5 5/7/2017 10:33am
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He had nothing to lose so what the hell, try to hold up RD5 a bit here and there was his only chance. He could have easily kept charging and made the race a total snoozer but he slowed up and tried to make it swing his way.
Ace Dudemeister 5/7/2017 10:34am
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Ace Dudemeister wrote:
Are you?
nytsmaC wrote:
Absolutely. Eli could have really blasted him if he had no regard for Dungey's safety. He used the right amount of restraint, IMHO. If he wanted...
Absolutely. Eli could have really blasted him if he had no regard for Dungey's safety. He used the right amount of restraint, IMHO. If he wanted to hurt him he could have, and he didn't.
Ace Dudemeister wrote:
I agree with the last one but not the first two. The first one was an attempt to take RD out because it was done high...
I agree with the last one but not the first two. The first one was an attempt to take RD out because it was done high on the berm after the apex. Had RD not been prepared he would have fallen down the face of the berm with his foot extended underneath him but with nothing but air.

The second one was done at some speed and RD was booted off the track.

If you do these things you clearly don't have any regard for anyone less safety.

Give him a gun.
Maybe it was before the apex, don't remember. Regardless, RD could have fallen down the face of the berm because of ETs action.
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Ebs 5/7/2017 10:58am
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Bullshit. Dungey was expecting it and checked up every time or Tomac would have cleaned him out.
I thought it was some smart riding by Dungey, he knew it was coming and was willing to make defensive moves. That first take out attempt he pretty much pointed it straight up and nearly over the berm. If he doesn't do that his front wheel gets taken out.

I'm not in the 'Tomac is dirty' camp, but he was definitely out there making moves trying to set up the chess pieces.
Ace Dudemeister 5/7/2017 11:13am
5/7/2017 11:13am
Just saw the 250 race. Don't think much of Osborne.
jorgechavez 5/7/2017 11:16am
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There was nothing dirty at all with what Tomac did,
it's the only chance he had at success and it's all he could do. Listen to him in the press conference he explains his side and that he worked all year to get himself back in position for it and wasn't just gonna ride away with nothing to say about it.

If you think those moves were dirty then I think you should go watch soccer or something because taking someone high in a berm has never been dirty.
Travis_Hudson 5/7/2017 11:30am
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Ace Dudemeister wrote:
Just saw the 250 race. Don't think much of Osborne.
I absolutely think the world of him now. No pussification...straight heroics.
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mxjon454 5/7/2017 11:41am
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Ace Dudemeister wrote:
Live in Europe so just saw the race. What brilliant strategy and ride by ET. Really phenomenal. Too bad his behavior with RD destroys that image...
Live in Europe so just saw the race. What brilliant strategy and ride by ET. Really phenomenal.

Too bad his behavior with RD destroys that image. Letting someone pass you so that you can "target" them and take them out is as low as you can go. The first two attempts were designed to put RD on the ground or out of the race. The last one was childish.

Some will say "that is racing" and in fact it is. The problem is that it isn't good racing. It just creates a spectacle. To prove the point, next time I do a running race I'll put my shoulder into my competitors and run them wide. If they trip I'll just say that's racing and some will agree. It's unfortunate that people like this are on the grid.

What ET needed to do was win and let bad luck find RD. This is something he could have easily done (and was actually doing by stacking them up). That would have been a massive statement to everybody that he controlled their fortunes. Instead, he looks like a clown, he has previously complained about others tactics but in the end is no better.

Ultimately he failed to win the race, take RD out, win a championship, and prove that he is the best: skill and/ or character wise. Pathetic.
Excaliburbmx wrote:
Ace doucheter this isnt a running race. Watch the 250 main last lap That's what he could have done.
FolkLoar wrote:
Get real.. Tomac tried everything he could to put Dungey in the dirt. Difference was Dungey was ready for it, Joey was not.
Thats bull. Tomac could hit dungey just like osborne did to savagty. You really think tomac was trying to put dungey in the dirt and couldnt make it happen? Lol tomac was toying with dungey, but wasnt being super dirty. So what tomac was doing to dungey wasnt cool, but what anderson did to reed and what osborne did to savagty was ok? Lol

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burn1986 5/7/2017 11:43am
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StartedTooLate wrote:
Tomac could have won the title.... 3 times he could have done what Oz did to Savatgy. But he did not. Taking the line away and...
Tomac could have won the title.... 3 times he could have done what Oz did to Savatgy. But he did not. Taking the line away and even forcing someone off the track is not dirty when a title is at stake. Oz....THAT was dirty.
Yep, super tame compared to Oz's move. Even so, Oz got the title, Tomac didn't.
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tcallahan707 5/7/2017 12:04pm
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Ace Dudemeister wrote:
Are you?
nytsmaC wrote:
Absolutely. Eli could have really blasted him if he had no regard for Dungey's safety. He used the right amount of restraint, IMHO. If he wanted...
Absolutely. Eli could have really blasted him if he had no regard for Dungey's safety. He used the right amount of restraint, IMHO. If he wanted to hurt him he could have, and he didn't.
Ace Dudemeister wrote:
I agree with the last one but not the first two. The first one was an attempt to take RD out because it was done high...
I agree with the last one but not the first two. The first one was an attempt to take RD out because it was done high on the berm after the apex. Had RD not been prepared he would have fallen down the face of the berm with his foot extended underneath him but with nothing but air.

The second one was done at some speed and RD was booted off the track.

If you do these things you clearly don't have any regard for anyone less safety.

Give him a gun.
The first was was no different than many passes all year. Eli dove inside and drove it in deep but still left Dungey some room. It's the rider in front's responsibility to recognize a move is coming and check up. Some fail to do so and go down but Dungey is a smart racer and backed out as much as possible. It just so happened to be a bit of a wall so he got hung up. I think Eli's move was legitimate. It's the ones where the guy never sees a guy coming and never has any opportunity to check up that are dirty.

Move two was two guys batting for position in a corner. Not sure the move at speed comment? Dungey got bumped in a spot that happened to leave him with the best choice of going off the track (vs going over tuff blocks or stopping completely and getting around the block). He came on in the safest spot, checked up so he didn't gain any advantage, and continued racing.
Ace Dudemeister 5/8/2017 2:15am
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Excaliburbmx wrote:
Ace doucheter this isnt a running race. Watch the 250 main last lap That's what he could have done.
FolkLoar wrote:
Get real.. Tomac tried everything he could to put Dungey in the dirt. Difference was Dungey was ready for it, Joey was not.
mxjon454 wrote:
Thats bull. Tomac could hit dungey just like osborne did to savagty. You really think tomac was trying to put dungey in the dirt and couldnt...
Thats bull. Tomac could hit dungey just like osborne did to savagty. You really think tomac was trying to put dungey in the dirt and couldnt make it happen? Lol tomac was toying with dungey, but wasnt being super dirty. So what tomac was doing to dungey wasnt cool, but what anderson did to reed and what osborne did to savagty was ok? Lol
You are also forgetting that Dungey could have done it to Tomac. Odd that you are praising Tomac's restraint when he really didn't show any.
Ace Dudemeister 5/8/2017 2:21am
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The first was was no different than many passes all year. Eli dove inside and drove it in deep but still left Dungey some room. It's...
The first was was no different than many passes all year. Eli dove inside and drove it in deep but still left Dungey some room. It's the rider in front's responsibility to recognize a move is coming and check up. Some fail to do so and go down but Dungey is a smart racer and backed out as much as possible. It just so happened to be a bit of a wall so he got hung up. I think Eli's move was legitimate. It's the ones where the guy never sees a guy coming and never has any opportunity to check up that are dirty.

Move two was two guys batting for position in a corner. Not sure the move at speed comment? Dungey got bumped in a spot that happened to leave him with the best choice of going off the track (vs going over tuff blocks or stopping completely and getting around the block). He came on in the safest spot, checked up so he didn't gain any advantage, and continued racing.
It's all fair including the parts where he targets Dungey. He didn't want to take him out, he just likes the special feeling he gets inside when he passes the champ. He did it one time clean and three times dirty.

If Dungey comes back, He might get to experience that special feeling again next year.
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Dungey put himself in that position because he wanted to show everyone he was aa fast or faster than ET after all crap he's gotten about not winning races. He could have let him go and cruised in for 2nd place. It was risky to try and race Eli, especially since he isnt as fast.
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snackfedbear 5/8/2017 2:43am
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sometimes I wonder if you opinionated dudes have ever even raced before.
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JMX82 5/8/2017 2:47am
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Others where catching Dungey fast when Tomac was slowing down in front of him. He had no choice but try to pass Tomac or else he could have been get t-boned by Grant or Reed
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lostboy819 wrote:
Because Anderson would have punted him if he did. Wink
bd wrote:
This. I agree 110%..... JA21 is Dunge's Sammy Gravano. JA21 destroyed Reedy and did the same two laps later to JG33. He wanted to be third...
This. I agree 110%.....

JA21 is Dunge's Sammy Gravano. JA21 destroyed Reedy and did the same two laps later to JG33. He wanted to be third just in case Dunge needed him. Reed would of won that race..... he was on the gas and had Reedy caught Dungey it add a big dynamic to title fight.
True but what costed Reed the most was what I think the agressive pass on Anderson who then kinda retaliated. I would have been pumped to see Reed win the final, he was really on it! It was close! It is 1 of the best races ever. The season has been awesome.
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Flip109 5/8/2017 2:55am
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For a million dollars and the chance to go down as a 450sx champ, ida hit Dungey so hard he'd been riding around on my handlebars lol
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TDeath21 wrote:
You could argue that it did work. Dungey cut the track and definitely gained an advantage. By the letter of the law, he could be docked...
You could argue that it did work. Dungey cut the track and definitely gained an advantage. By the letter of the law, he could be docked two positions.
Ace Dudemeister wrote:
RD was pushed off the track. I think the rules probably state he needs to safely get back on without an advantage. Didn't that happen?
What exactly are the rules when you go off track? I didnt think you were allowed to re-enter the track ahead of someone.
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Madmax31 5/8/2017 5:23am
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Ace Dudemeister wrote:
Live in Europe so just saw the race. What brilliant strategy and ride by ET. Really phenomenal. Too bad his behavior with RD destroys that image...
Live in Europe so just saw the race. What brilliant strategy and ride by ET. Really phenomenal.

Too bad his behavior with RD destroys that image. Letting someone pass you so that you can "target" them and take them out is as low as you can go. The first two attempts were designed to put RD on the ground or out of the race. The last one was childish.

Some will say "that is racing" and in fact it is. The problem is that it isn't good racing. It just creates a spectacle. To prove the point, next time I do a running race I'll put my shoulder into my competitors and run them wide. If they trip I'll just say that's racing and some will agree. It's unfortunate that people like this are on the grid.

What ET needed to do was win and let bad luck find RD. This is something he could have easily done (and was actually doing by stacking them up). That would have been a massive statement to everybody that he controlled their fortunes. Instead, he looks like a clown, he has previously complained about others tactics but in the end is no better.

Ultimately he failed to win the race, take RD out, win a championship, and prove that he is the best: skill and/ or character wise. Pathetic.
Finally someone with common sense. Yeah the first two times were kinda classless, but the pull over and try to take out was beyond pathetic. Hope he never gets another title. Done with that kid. Hope someone can beat him down this summer.
TheNewOriginal 5/8/2017 7:28am
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machine wrote:
Dungey put himself in that position because he wanted to show everyone he was aa fast or faster than ET after all crap he's gotten about...
Dungey put himself in that position because he wanted to show everyone he was aa fast or faster than ET after all crap he's gotten about not winning races. He could have let him go and cruised in for 2nd place. It was risky to try and race Eli, especially since he isnt as fast.
Did you watch the race? That's what Dungey was trying to do. The entire field was catching them and he had to do something. The last pass, Tomac missed the jump (intentionally) and Dungey had no other choice except to pass him. In the post race interview, they discuss exactly that. Hell, even Tomac talked about the strategy in the interview.

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