Press Conference - Ryan Dungey "If you're a lapper you've got to move over."

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cpyz300 4/2/2017 9:08am
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I just can't stand how in the press conference dungey repeatedly said he has no idea why Chad was out to get him and all this respect he has for him even still. Dungey perfectly knows why reed is pissed, come on now.

If you have respect for someone and you feel like they did you dirty in a race, you don't call them out on the podium (national television)... you go to them face to face. I feel like the incidents dungey complained about were bogus to begin with (the first lap in the whoops and the pass back before the finish) both were just racing.

I don't condone what Reed did but I think dungey deserved it with the context I'm being given. Sadly though people tune out everything but the main events, and will only notice Reed being a dick for no reason.
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ML512 wrote:
It's definitely a very "open-ended" rule with how it's stated. Not a lot of emphasis on which segment out-rules the other.
Agree with your statement, it is difficult to write rules that govern every situation, hence, the "open-ended" nature of some of the rules. The biggest problem with the entire rule book is it doesn't take into account the stupidity and arbitrary inconsistent implementation by the SX officials.
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wfo4ever 4/2/2017 9:14am
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Eli passed Reed right away on his way to winning the race. Tomac knows this is a "Supercross Championship" unlike Dungey's "It's just a dirt bike race" mentality.
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wfo4ever wrote:
Eli passed Reed right away on his way to winning the race. Tomac knows this is a "Supercross Championship" unlike Dungey's "It's just a dirt bike...
Eli passed Reed right away on his way to winning the race. Tomac knows this is a "Supercross Championship" unlike Dungey's "It's just a dirt bike race" mentality.
Can you produce video of Eli lapping Reed? Just want to make sure your assumption are correct.

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goinrcn44h 4/2/2017 9:29am
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Here's my take:
Many people today don't realize that your words have repercussions, and calling Reed immature on national television had serious consequences. Reed, without saying a word, spoke very loudly about his displeasure of what Ryan said.
I believe it is now over and that is that, doubt the AMA has much they can do about it other than slap him on the wrist and make a point to talk next week in the riders meeting.
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Premixed112 4/2/2017 9:32am
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I missed the Dungey's interview after the heat race. What exactly did he say when he called Reed immature?
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goinrcn44h wrote:
Here's my take: Many people today don't realize that your words have repercussions, and calling Reed immature on national television had serious consequences. Reed, without saying...
Here's my take:
Many people today don't realize that your words have repercussions, and calling Reed immature on national television had serious consequences. Reed, without saying a word, spoke very loudly about his displeasure of what Ryan said.
I believe it is now over and that is that, doubt the AMA has much they can do about it other than slap him on the wrist and make a point to talk next week in the riders meeting.
Maybe . But all Reed did was kind of validate Ryan's comment whether that comment was called for or not.
JustPuttinAround 4/2/2017 9:34am
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wfo4ever wrote:
Eli passed Reed right away on his way to winning the race. Tomac knows this is a "Supercross Championship" unlike Dungey's "It's just a dirt bike...
Eli passed Reed right away on his way to winning the race. Tomac knows this is a "Supercross Championship" unlike Dungey's "It's just a dirt bike race" mentality.
I knew The Dunge was in trouble when he pulled that "there's more to life than riding dirt bikes" line on the podium a few weeks ago...
#3 is in his head just like Poto used to be in his head.
Now if ET can keep it on two wheels and finish the job, just like RV used to do.

So Reed is prideful and gets his feelings hurt, seeks revenge by being an asshole and is not one bit sorry for doing it...Am I close?
All that just makes him a bigger asshole imo.

That reminds me: Anyone remember what JS259 did to Reedy at Unadilla back in the day? When Stewy was still on the KX 125 and Chadly was on the new YZF 250? It was kinda' tough watching Reed cry (close enough) on the podium after that humiliating beating...
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Premixed112 wrote:
I missed the Dungey's interview after the heat race. What exactly did he say when he called Reed immature?
He called him immature after the heat . To me it just looked like Reed was racing him hard unless there's something I missed.
patrickadizzle 4/2/2017 10:26am
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Reed did absolutely nothing wrong in the heat race.
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Roadblock Reed
ProbablyDave 4/2/2017 11:08am
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Reed broke the rules. He had plenty of opportunities to move mover safely, like the rule states that he should. After the tunnel, before the 233 rhythm section, and he could have rolled the whoops. If Reed had a problem with Dungey's comment after the heat race then fine, that explains why he broke the rules, but the fact is he broke them. Did Dungey say "it's just a dirt bike race"? Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that Reed broke the rules and blocked the main line.
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patrickadizzle wrote:
Reed did absolutely nothing wrong in the heat race.
Were you at the race watching him for the entirety of the heat, or is that your assumption based off of the TV broadcast?
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goinrcn44h wrote:
Here's my take: Many people today don't realize that your words have repercussions, and calling Reed immature on national television had serious consequences. Reed, without saying...
Here's my take:
Many people today don't realize that your words have repercussions, and calling Reed immature on national television had serious consequences. Reed, without saying a word, spoke very loudly about his displeasure of what Ryan said.
I believe it is now over and that is that, doubt the AMA has much they can do about it other than slap him on the wrist and make a point to talk next week in the riders meeting.
Reed, without saying a word, showed that Ryan Dungey's assessment of him was correct.
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Flip109 4/2/2017 11:37am
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Premixed112 wrote:
I missed the Dungey's interview after the heat race. What exactly did he say when he called Reed immature?
ATKpilot99 wrote:
He called him immature after the heat . To me it just looked like Reed was racing him hard unless there's something I missed.
Nope you didn't miss anything. After watching it again Dungey was being a little biatch about the heat race. Saying Reed came over on him in the whoops. First he didn't come over that hard. That's called protecting the inside line! Truthfully I'm not a big Reed fan. I always felt he whined to much. But in this case the diaper is on the other ass. Someone get Dungey a paci before he pisses musquin off, and musquin starts taking his points away too instead of letting him go lmao.
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downard254 4/2/2017 11:46am
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Here's a question. What's more embarrassing, being called a lapper by a heat race winner in a post race interview, or actually being proven to be a lapper in the main after said heat race interview. Pinch
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kaptkaos 4/2/2017 12:04pm
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bvm111 wrote:
For you guys that are having a hard time with this "when situation allows" portion... Does that mean in a rythm lane... no Middle of the...
For you guys that are having a hard time with this "when situation allows" portion...

Does that mean in a rythm lane... no
Middle of the whoops... no

Drift wide out of the race line in a corner... yes
Move over down the start straight... yes

Quit being dumbasses here and realize he was purposely holding him up for 3 laps and disregarding the CLEARLY written rules.

Yes dungey is pissing away a 27 point lead
Yes he is being out ridden by Tomac right now
Yes he should have been able to pass reed on his own.... all irrelevant in this situation that reed shouldnt have been a little girl, pulled up his big boy pants and move the eff over as he was being lapped!!!
Summed it up pretty simply right there.

Its in the rulebook, CLEARLY, some of you said its vague but its not.

He was given multiple blue flags, they were waving them frantically in front of him because he was not obeying the officials. This is a simple clear case of a rules violation and poor sportsmanship. He could have been black flagged and the officials would have plenty of merit and visual evidence to withstand scrutiny.

It doesnt matter if he was racing forward or had his fastest laps during that time. He was getting lapped. He wasnt going to pass Cooper either.

I agree RD wasnt likely to pass ET but we will never know, maybe he pressures ET to make a mistake? Maybe we get an awesome last two laps like in the 250 class? Chad hurt the show last night and that is wrong and selfish.

If youre a fan of drama then you were not denied what you came to see, as a fan of racing, Chad stole from me what I stayed up to watch.
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ET was gassed towards the end of the race, can easily spot looking at his body position. Could have had a race to the end. Thanks Reed!
Clearly payback, petty, but none the less payback.

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KurtJ99 4/2/2017 2:13pm
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Consensus is that somebody is a whiny little .... so I'll avoid that.
I don't recall any current or former champion calling anyone unprofessional, let alone another former Champ. As boring as Dungey is on the rest of his tv interviews he stepped way over the line and should have complimented Reed for racing him so hard instead.
It sounded like Dungey was complaining about Reed racing him tough in the heat, and well that is not allowed because I am the points race and Reeds not.
He's lucky Reed didn't stall his bike "accidentally" or ride him off the track attempting to let him by.
Yeah Reed was wrong but I can't imagine Reed NOT retaliating in a meaningful way.
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KurtJ99 wrote:
Consensus is that somebody is a whiny little .... so I'll avoid that. I don't recall any current or former champion calling anyone unprofessional, let alone...
Consensus is that somebody is a whiny little .... so I'll avoid that.
I don't recall any current or former champion calling anyone unprofessional, let alone another former Champ. As boring as Dungey is on the rest of his tv interviews he stepped way over the line and should have complimented Reed for racing him so hard instead.
It sounded like Dungey was complaining about Reed racing him tough in the heat, and well that is not allowed because I am the points race and Reeds not.
He's lucky Reed didn't stall his bike "accidentally" or ride him off the track attempting to let him by.
Yeah Reed was wrong but I can't imagine Reed NOT retaliating in a meaningful way.
Pretty spot on. I gotta say though, Reed is the classic "can dish it out but can't take it" guy, always has been. The slightest thing towards him he perceives as x10 compared to when he does it to someone else.
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kkawboy14 4/2/2017 3:39pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Hmm that does leave it open to interpretation, they should delete that first part. "When conditions allow"
ML512 wrote:
It's definitely a very "open-ended" rule with how it's stated. Not a lot of emphasis on which segment out-rules the other.
TDeath21 wrote:
Not really. Conditions allow is pretty easy to understand for anyone that races. Don't switch your line and cross jump, but when you can get out...
Not really. Conditions allow is pretty easy to understand for anyone that races. Don't switch your line and cross jump, but when you can get out of the racing line and go a little slower, do it. Reed went through the start straight two or three times with Dungey on his ass. The start straight is the epitome of "conditions allow".
Umm where does it say "go slower"?
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TDeath21 4/2/2017 4:39pm
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ML512 wrote:
It's definitely a very "open-ended" rule with how it's stated. Not a lot of emphasis on which segment out-rules the other.
TDeath21 wrote:
Not really. Conditions allow is pretty easy to understand for anyone that races. Don't switch your line and cross jump, but when you can get out...
Not really. Conditions allow is pretty easy to understand for anyone that races. Don't switch your line and cross jump, but when you can get out of the racing line and go a little slower, do it. Reed went through the start straight two or three times with Dungey on his ass. The start straight is the epitome of "conditions allow".
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Umm where does it say "go slower"?
Does every single rule have to perfectly specify each specific instance of what might occur on the track? Or are we smart enough as a society to interpret these rules with common sense? It's absolutely impossible to cover every little thing that could happen in any sport.
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C_Hart3 4/2/2017 5:19pm
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I think a lit of people are forgetting last weeks race when Dungey cut over into Reed on the start straight causing Reed to go down and get that mast road rash on his back. I think Reed was more pissed about that than the comments after the heat race.

As an Eli fan I was laughing when I saw Reed giving Dungey a hard time. I knew Reed would do something if given the chance after last week and the comments after the heat race. Yea he was in the wrong there, probably shouldnt have gone on as long as he did. And yes it probably did steal some good racing from us. And right now I'm almost wishing he didn't just so Eli could have proved he was better without other riders gettinf in the way. Everyone wants that 1 on 1 between Eli and Ryan. We got it in the start this week, and also in the start in Indy, both times Eli passed Ryan and pulled away and took the win.

I think Eli might have been a little put off by Ryan's comments about the lappers because Eli did say "I had my fair share of issues with lappers too" he did acknowledge that they weren't as bad. Heck in Atlanta Eli had to deal with a lapper that roosted the crap out of him in that sand possibly costing him from catching Ryan...

We will see what next week brings, this is getting interesting.
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Rogerson207 4/2/2017 5:48pm
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Seems to be a behavioral pattern here with RD, when it comes to championships that he's close to winning or feels like he should be wrapping up. Lawrence got in his head and Rd unraveled doing things people would have never thought he (the golden boy) would do or say. Fast forward to 450 outdoors a few years ago and RD again crying about Justin Barcia this time, it was when Barcia filled in with factory Honda. Barcia raced RD hard but not dirty. In the interview RD whined about "250 riders who didn't belong in the 450 class" costing him points towards a championship, that was already starting to slip from his grasp anyways despite the few points that he felt Barcia cost him. Now the issues with Reed, Reed races him in the heat race and doesn't roll over and let Dungey take the win without earning it. Dungey wins heat race and still complains about having to race for it, name calls Chad and rumors of him trying to confront Chad at the Yamaha trailer after the heat race. That being said Reed took it a little too far in my opinion, holding him up for a little bit I thought was funny but several laps was overkill. Two wrongs don't make a right and both guys looked like tools for one reason or another. Dungey shouldn't whine about having to race for wins and for people not rolling just because he thinks he's more important, he also shouldn't have called Chad names after the heat race or made a scene after the main was over. Luckily for him his team calmed him down some before his podium interview after the main. Chad should not have done what he did either. Also while Chad did hold Dungey up, he was not the only lapper that Dungey had a hard time getting around in the main.
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JBecker 72 4/2/2017 6:07pm
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When I was watching it, I was expecting a black flag to come out after the second lap.
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kiwifan 4/2/2017 6:18pm
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Blatantly ignoring the rules is no excuse for someone calling you out in an interview....whether or not the comment said in the interview is right or wrong (in your view).

If you are pissed at someone on the track you beat them, if you cant you dont go making it difficult for them to win when you cant.
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TDeath21 wrote:
Not really. Conditions allow is pretty easy to understand for anyone that races. Don't switch your line and cross jump, but when you can get out...
Not really. Conditions allow is pretty easy to understand for anyone that races. Don't switch your line and cross jump, but when you can get out of the racing line and go a little slower, do it. Reed went through the start straight two or three times with Dungey on his ass. The start straight is the epitome of "conditions allow".
kkawboy14 wrote:
Umm where does it say "go slower"?
TDeath21 wrote:
Does every single rule have to perfectly specify each specific instance of what might occur on the track? Or are we smart enough as a society...
Does every single rule have to perfectly specify each specific instance of what might occur on the track? Or are we smart enough as a society to interpret these rules with common sense? It's absolutely impossible to cover every little thing that could happen in any sport.
Wait... "don't switch your line And cross jump" but "get out of the racing line" whiich is it??? He is on a race track in a race and the entire track could be a "racing line" if you are faster, go around, plain and simple. If he couldn't get past Reed how the hell was he going to pass Tomac.
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TDeath21 4/2/2017 6:32pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Umm where does it say "go slower"?
TDeath21 wrote:
Does every single rule have to perfectly specify each specific instance of what might occur on the track? Or are we smart enough as a society...
Does every single rule have to perfectly specify each specific instance of what might occur on the track? Or are we smart enough as a society to interpret these rules with common sense? It's absolutely impossible to cover every little thing that could happen in any sport.
brocster wrote:
Wait... "don't switch your line And cross jump" but "get out of the racing line" whiich is it??? He is on a race track in a...
Wait... "don't switch your line And cross jump" but "get out of the racing line" whiich is it??? He is on a race track in a race and the entire track could be a "racing line" if you are faster, go around, plain and simple. If he couldn't get past Reed how the hell was he going to pass Tomac.
Your intelligence level is off the charts.
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kkawboy14 4/2/2017 6:35pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Blatantly ignoring the rules is no excuse for someone calling you out in an interview....whether or not the comment said in the interview is right or...
Blatantly ignoring the rules is no excuse for someone calling you out in an interview....whether or not the comment said in the interview is right or wrong (in your view).

If you are pissed at someone on the track you beat them, if you cant you dont go making it difficult for them to win when you cant.
That for sure is the cool thing to do, the question is "does a guy have to do that?".....apparently not since he wasn't black flagged or fined!
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kiwifan wrote:
Blatantly ignoring the rules is no excuse for someone calling you out in an interview....whether or not the comment said in the interview is right or...
Blatantly ignoring the rules is no excuse for someone calling you out in an interview....whether or not the comment said in the interview is right or wrong (in your view).

If you are pissed at someone on the track you beat them, if you cant you dont go making it difficult for them to win when you cant.
That for sure is the cool thing to do, the question is "does a guy have to do that?".....apparently not, since he wasn't black flagged or fined!

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