Izzi Q'd 30th in the 250 class WTF ?

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just an honest answer.
GuyB wrote:
I think you're confusing what [i]we[/i] do as editorial on the site with what others post here as [i]users[/i] of the site. For the sake of...
I think you're confusing what we do as editorial on the site with what others post here as users of the site.

For the sake of discussion, let's say we all live in a neighborhood where we share an alley. Apparently a lot of the neighbors have pretty small trash cans, which seem to fill up rapidly. It just so happens that we have a trash can that's really big and shiny. Fairly often, it seems that people stop by and toss their trash in our trash can.

I'm not sure where I see that we're required to accept their trash. We can return it to them, or go drop it into another trash can. The guy who posted the photos of Nico getting arrested later changed his mind and deleted the photos. Then he asked us to delete them when they showed up again.

Other times, some of the trash is particularly toxic, and we get asked to remove it. Or the owner changes his mind and decides he wants it back and asks us to remove it. I've mentioned it in other posts regarding Martin that while some folks might find what he did unsavory, that I'd gotten some info that suggested that he (and other pro riders) had been targeted in an effort to embarrass them or their sponsors. We choose not to be the dumping ground for that sort of material.

As for clipping accounts, some of the nonsense that people have posted lately has gotten to be over the top. Regarding tyler durden (Google the username), he's had a pattern of really crappy posts. Suggesting that Nico was responsible for stealing the KJSC bikes? That was a last straw.
thanks for the answer. I appreciate it. I completely disagree with your reasoning for deciding what is "news" and what is not, but I doubt you...
thanks for the answer. I appreciate it.

I completely disagree with your reasoning for deciding what is "news" and what is not, but I doubt you care to hear my thoughts.

I'll just say that I appreciate you answering me and wish you good day.
Fair enough.

I'm not sure whose life we'd make better by allowing snapchat screenshots, or leaving up crappy photos of someone getting arrested. But I'm pretty sure they're not people I'd want to hang out with.

On the other hand, I already know of one serious 450 privateer who'd love to get in touch with Bill Dill at 3D.
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what about when JS7 got arrested?
What if the snapchat debacle involved Dungey?

News is news, man. I get that you don't like it, and I get that you're probably buds with a lot of these guys...but by picking and choosing what you're going to allow for discussion as "news" , you are setting one helluva precedent that I think will ultimately come back to bite you.

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3/1/2017 11:49am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2017 12:02pm
I made an assumption earlier in this thread that was wrong. GuyB set the record straight and I offered a sincere apology. I appreciate what Team Vital does and the site and comraderie fill me with happiness. Seriously. I like stopping by. But, the Davalos deal was mishandled, in my opinion. If you have credible info that MD was "targeted", then detail it and report it. But, to simply say "credible info" led to editorial censorship (which it undoubtedly was) is disingenuous and incomplete reporting. We saw what MD did. He has to own it, regardless of consequences. If I were his lawyer (and I have practiced for 30 years), I would attempt to spin the story to bring question upon the integrity of the accusing party. And----if I could get the media to simply run with my 'spun' conclusion without having to be specific in our counter-allegations, I would certainly do so.... Love ya, GB and ML, but I take a different view of the role of journalist---but then, admittedly, that is not my profession. Thanks for the forum and the platform. Apologies for typos---posting on a plane... Cheers.
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what about when JS7 got arrested? What if the snapchat debacle involved Dungey? News is news, man. I get that you don't like it, and I...
what about when JS7 got arrested?
What if the snapchat debacle involved Dungey?

News is news, man. I get that you don't like it, and I get that you're probably buds with a lot of these guys...but by picking and choosing what you're going to allow for discussion as "news" , you are setting one helluva precedent that I think will ultimately come back to bite you.

I agree. News is News regardless of name.

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3/1/2017 12:31pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2017 12:34pm
GuyB wrote:
Do you still beat your wife?
I'm not married.

You seemed to want to quash the idea that it was the ATL airport-area natives. Just proffering an alternative theory.
GuyB wrote:
You may think you know what I seem to want to do. What I actually want to do is reduce the number of troll accounts here...
You may think you know what I seem to want to do.

What I actually want to do is reduce the number of troll accounts here. Thanks for stepping up.
Thank you!

That guy was one of the worst...

One less political buzzword hack
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by deleting discussions/images regarding current riders?
GuyB wrote:
Judging by the number of times you've poked at me here, it seems like you want to engage. What do you expect to get out of...
Judging by the number of times you've poked at me here, it seems like you want to engage. What do you expect to get out of that? Smile
I don't come here as often as I used to, but, dang, things are more hostile than they used to be.
What's with picking at Guy ?
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what about when JS7 got arrested? What if the snapchat debacle involved Dungey? News is news, man. I get that you don't like it, and I...
what about when JS7 got arrested?
What if the snapchat debacle involved Dungey?

News is news, man. I get that you don't like it, and I get that you're probably buds with a lot of these guys...but by picking and choosing what you're going to allow for discussion as "news" , you are setting one helluva precedent that I think will ultimately come back to bite you.

cd0583 wrote:
I agree. News is News regardless of name.
Fake News isn't news... and GuyB ain't standing for it.
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Vital is fake news, covering up anything that isn't pretty
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racer495a wrote:
Vital is fake news, covering up anything that isn't pretty
You can check out TWMX's Instagram if you want to know that Swap edited a video of J-Mart while he was taking a shit. Smile
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Fake News isn't news... and GuyB ain't standing for it.
Izzi was arrested and charged with burglary, what part of that is fake?
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racer495a wrote:
Vital is fake news, covering up anything that isn't pretty
GuyB wrote:
You can check out TWMX's Instagram if you want to know that Swap edited a video of J-Mart while he was taking a shit. :)
You can check out TWMX's Instagram if you want to know that Swap edited a video of J-Mart while he was taking a shit. Smile
Better on the toilet than you are at a desk bud. Don't be sad.
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in all seriousness, with both of these episodes, Vital staff should put a pinned post with their official reasoning for blocking the discussion. At least you're giving a reason and not just clipping posts right and left, leaving many of us to ask repeatedly before we get a "kind-of" answer. Put some legitimacy behind the site and take a stance on these stories, and if you want to block them, FINE, but at least get out in front of it and give us a reason.
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racer495a wrote:
Vital is fake news, covering up anything that isn't pretty
GuyB wrote:
You can check out TWMX's Instagram if you want to know that Swap edited a video of J-Mart while he was taking a shit. :)
You can check out TWMX's Instagram if you want to know that Swap edited a video of J-Mart while he was taking a shit. Smile
swap wrote:
Better on the toilet than you are at a desk bud. Don't be sad.
STFU, noob. Hey may be a shitty journalist, but he's OUR shitty journalist!!!!!












Wink (please see the sarcasm in this)
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what about when JS7 got arrested? What if the snapchat debacle involved Dungey? News is news, man. I get that you don't like it, and I...
what about when JS7 got arrested?
What if the snapchat debacle involved Dungey?

News is news, man. I get that you don't like it, and I get that you're probably buds with a lot of these guys...but by picking and choosing what you're going to allow for discussion as "news" , you are setting one helluva precedent that I think will ultimately come back to bite you.

cd0583 wrote:
I agree. News is News regardless of name.
Js7 wasn't doing heroin and stealing shit.. but different imo. Dude has stolen from his parents.. steals from everyone
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GrapeApe wrote:
Izzi was arrested and charged with burglary, what part of that is fake?
I suppose I fall into the "innocent until proven guilty" category.

Based on his history it's hard to not just label him guilty and move on but until he is declared guilty I don't think it's in good form to post photos civilians took of him getting arrested. Had it been a mug shot sure, but I think it was smart of the original poster (who requested the photos to be taken down) to have them taken down.
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swap wrote:
Better on the toilet than you are at a desk bud. Don't be sad.
I don't take a dump at my desk. But carry on.
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GrapeApe wrote:
Izzi was arrested and charged with burglary, what part of that is fake?
I suppose I fall into the "innocent until proven guilty" category. Based on his history it's hard to not just label him guilty and move on...
I suppose I fall into the "innocent until proven guilty" category.

Based on his history it's hard to not just label him guilty and move on but until he is declared guilty I don't think it's in good form to post photos civilians took of him getting arrested. Had it been a mug shot sure, but I think it was smart of the original poster (who requested the photos to be taken down) to have them taken down.
He stole a generator out of a trailer about a month ago. That's what he was arrested for.
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3/1/2017 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2017 2:22pm
by deleting discussions/images regarding current riders?
GuyB wrote:
Judging by the number of times you've poked at me here, it seems like you want to engage. What do you expect to get out of...
Judging by the number of times you've poked at me here, it seems like you want to engage. What do you expect to get out of that? Smile
kawasa84 wrote:
I don't come here as often as I used to, but, dang, things are more hostile than they used to be. What's with picking at Guy...
I don't come here as often as I used to, but, dang, things are more hostile than they used to be.
What's with picking at Guy ?
Same as it ever was. It's the internet. Douchery comes easy with anonymity! Check the post count and recent posts of most that post that shit. A troll is a troll is a troll.

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in all seriousness, with both of these episodes, Vital staff should put a pinned post with their official reasoning for blocking the discussion. At least you're...
in all seriousness, with both of these episodes, Vital staff should put a pinned post with their official reasoning for blocking the discussion. At least you're giving a reason and not just clipping posts right and left, leaving many of us to ask repeatedly before we get a "kind-of" answer. Put some legitimacy behind the site and take a stance on these stories, and if you want to block them, FINE, but at least get out in front of it and give us a reason.
That's like asking for an explanation after each time someone posts here.
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GuyB wrote:
That's like asking for an explanation after each time someone posts here.
no, it's not and you know it.

If there's something that keeps popping up as news (DM Snapchat or Nico's legal issues), then DEAL with it. Take a stance and explain why, for the time being, there won't be any discussion on the topic because of XYZ reasons. Again, at least you're telling us WHY, and it adds so much legitimacy to the place as a news organization as you know that there are other sites out there talking about it.

The Cole Seely interview was another thing altogether as it was pretty apparent that you took it down simply because he agent asked you to, and that's lame as well. How would you feel getting an honest, unvarnished interview with JS7 only to have his agent say "Yeah, that's too much. Clip it."

Carry on.
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Best thing to do I think is move things to the Dumbgeon. This way Vital staff can still appear to be somewhat impartial. When Cole Seely's agent can call a forum mod and have an entire thread deleted, that's not being impartial at all. At the very least move it to the dumbgeon. To just make a thread go "poof", regardless of legitimacy doesn't show impartiality to the user base here at all. Without a userbase, then all of these ads clogging the pages don't make much money.

Just my two cents.

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no, it's not and you know it. If there's something that keeps popping up as news (DM Snapchat or Nico's legal issues), then DEAL with it...
no, it's not and you know it.

If there's something that keeps popping up as news (DM Snapchat or Nico's legal issues), then DEAL with it. Take a stance and explain why, for the time being, there won't be any discussion on the topic because of XYZ reasons. Again, at least you're telling us WHY, and it adds so much legitimacy to the place as a news organization as you know that there are other sites out there talking about it.

The Cole Seely interview was another thing altogether as it was pretty apparent that you took it down simply because he agent asked you to, and that's lame as well. How would you feel getting an honest, unvarnished interview with JS7 only to have his agent say "Yeah, that's too much. Clip it."

Carry on.
I gave my exact reasons in the Cole Seely thread but no one would accept it so "oh well" per se.
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I gave my exact reasons in the Cole Seely thread but no one would accept it so "oh well" per se.
No one accepted it because it was a very thin excuse to stand on. That's why. I read it and I could not have disagreed more with it at the time. Since no one accepted it then maybe it was a really lame excuse you gave that didn't hold much if any weight. Think about that.

Love all the hard work you do but you were wrong to remove that thread, based on the excuse you gave. There may have been a good reason to remove it, but the one you gave was not a good reason. That's why you took some heat over it.

Not here to bash. Just sayin.
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no, it's not and you know it. If there's something that keeps popping up as news (DM Snapchat or Nico's legal issues), then DEAL with it...
no, it's not and you know it.

If there's something that keeps popping up as news (DM Snapchat or Nico's legal issues), then DEAL with it. Take a stance and explain why, for the time being, there won't be any discussion on the topic because of XYZ reasons. Again, at least you're telling us WHY, and it adds so much legitimacy to the place as a news organization as you know that there are other sites out there talking about it.

The Cole Seely interview was another thing altogether as it was pretty apparent that you took it down simply because he agent asked you to, and that's lame as well. How would you feel getting an honest, unvarnished interview with JS7 only to have his agent say "Yeah, that's too much. Clip it."

Carry on.
What's funny is the interview with Cole was on another site, not here. The link still exists. It's not hard to find.

We haven't said that Nico's topic is off limits. From the discussion here, it's obviously not. (Of course, some people have gone too far with the things they're accusing him of, but that's a different issue.) When/if he doesn't show up for next week's race. Until then? He was the 30th-place qualifier in Atlanta. I'll chase the story with all the zeal that you'd expect for a 30th-place qualifier. It's not exactly like we're chasing front page news.

If you don't like how we do things, there are plenty of other venues to check out.
3/1/2017 2:46pm
swap wrote:
Better on the toilet than you are at a desk bud. Don't be sad.
GuyB wrote:
I don't take a dump at my desk. But carry on.
LOL, NOW this thread is gettin' good! Love you guys!!!
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GuyB wrote:
What's funny is the interview with Cole was on another site, not here. The link still exists. It's not hard to find. We haven't said that...
What's funny is the interview with Cole was on another site, not here. The link still exists. It's not hard to find.

We haven't said that Nico's topic is off limits. From the discussion here, it's obviously not. (Of course, some people have gone too far with the things they're accusing him of, but that's a different issue.) When/if he doesn't show up for next week's race. Until then? He was the 30th-place qualifier in Atlanta. I'll chase the story with all the zeal that you'd expect for a 30th-place qualifier. It's not exactly like we're chasing front page news.

If you don't like how we do things, there are plenty of other venues to check out.
Cole Seely - what does that have to do with anything? The fact that the article exists elsewhere means it's cool that you censored it?

As for the rest, I've been beyond polite and respectful with you throughout this discussion. Getting to the point where you simply invite me to leave is.....well.....lame.
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