450sxf v crf450

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1/20/2017 5:58pm Edited Date/Time 1/20/2017 5:58pm
Sounds like the guys that have the KTMs like the KTM, and guys that have the Honda like the Honda. Funny how that works.
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1/20/2017 6:04pm
I wish somebody would say why one is better than the other. Just a bunch of bs so far. But yes seems they are both good bikes and personal opinion maybe the only factor. But on paper the Honda doesn't have shit for the Ktm. That's just facts.
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BobPA wrote:
Or your mind
mattyhamz2 wrote:
The mind sure can be a bitch in our sport...
TallCan 16 wrote:
One day...[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/20/170380/s1200_Tight_Sprocket_Bolts.jpg[/img] Next Day: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/20/170381/s1200_Loose_Sprocket.jpg[/img]
One day...


Next Day:


Just might be the mechanic
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1/20/2017 6:39pm
ob wrote:
So one day you had one hub, then the next day you had a different wheel and hub and that's who's fault? Am I missing something...
So one day you had one hub, then the next day you had a different wheel and hub and that's who's fault? Am I missing something besides the bullshit in your post.
Poor attempt at humor. My bad. Bro. No harm intended.

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1/20/2017 6:58pm
I can't believe people are still listening to what MXA has to say. It's been bias BS for years. Count the adds, work out the winner
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ob wrote:
So one day you had one hub, then the next day you had a different wheel and hub and that's who's fault? Am I missing something...
So one day you had one hub, then the next day you had a different wheel and hub and that's who's fault? Am I missing something besides the bullshit in your post.
TallCan 16 wrote:
Poor attempt at humor. My bad. Bro. No harm intended.
lol it's cool I like comedy
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Used to be I'd have probably bought the KTM just to be a little different. Nowadays I'd probably buy the Honda, just to be a little bit different.......
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1/20/2017 7:12pm
I bought a crf450 and it's the best bike I've ever ridden.
I've found that most men won't speak an ill word towards a $9000 toy that they use to play in the dirt.
1/20/2017 7:12pm Edited Date/Time 1/21/2017 7:10am
ob wrote:
I wish somebody would say why one is better than the other. Just a bunch of bs so far. But yes seems they are both good...
I wish somebody would say why one is better than the other. Just a bunch of bs so far. But yes seems they are both good bikes and personal opinion maybe the only factor. But on paper the Honda doesn't have shit for the Ktm. That's just facts.
I thought MXA did that. One bike is lighter, has more horsepower and has better components. With all other things being preference between the two, the winner seems clear.

1/20/2017 7:21pm
ob wrote:
I don't see any reason to buy the Honda over the Ktm besides brand loyalty or price. Ktm is way lighter, more power, starter, suspension is...
I don't see any reason to buy the Honda over the Ktm besides brand loyalty or price. Ktm is way lighter, more power, starter, suspension is subjective of course, Ktm is the best handling according to most tests. So unless you get the Honda for way cheap or just love Honda and hate ktm why would you buy the Honda? Not saying the Honda is bad at all, most current bikes are good. just putting the facts and opinions out there.
? Price that tarif will not go through. That scare tactic has been used before.
Brainwashed brand loyal Honda faithful guarantee this bike will cost as much as the KTM at dealership this year. Honda dealership here wants way over msrp + freight and set up.
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1/20/2017 7:25pm
ob wrote:
I wish somebody would say why one is better than the other. Just a bunch of bs so far. But yes seems they are both good...
I wish somebody would say why one is better than the other. Just a bunch of bs so far. But yes seems they are both good bikes and personal opinion maybe the only factor. But on paper the Honda doesn't have shit for the Ktm. That's just facts.
gee why dont you ride them and find out for yourself, dont let others tell you which is the better bike for you...what suits them (and MXA) might not suit you
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? Price that tarif will not go through. That scare tactic has been used before. Brainwashed brand loyal Honda faithful guarantee this bike will cost as...
? Price that tarif will not go through. That scare tactic has been used before.
Brainwashed brand loyal Honda faithful guarantee this bike will cost as much as the KTM at dealership this year. Honda dealership here wants way over msrp + freight and set up.
ah I wondered when you would post your anti Honda rant here...well done, you passed the test Smile
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I was on the fence getting the honda....but the ktm/husky having a good air forks swayed me.
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I thought that the comparison was set up to favor the KTM. One example I remember was how much better the KTM clutch was, yet nobody is reporting problems with the Honda clutch.

People rave about the great KTM hubs, yet how many problems have ever been reported with Honda wheel sets?

Hondas have always had a small flickable feel, but of course Jody didn't address that. He basically said the Honda engine ran like crap, but almost everyone else says it's an excellent engine and much closer to the KTM than Jody said.

I feel that any comparison involving Jody amounts to him trying to justify his preference instead of him giving an unbiased report.

I'm sure they're both great bikes and close enough that it's a personal preference thing.
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1/20/2017 8:00pm Edited Date/Time 1/20/2017 8:00pm
JB 19 wrote:
I thought that the comparison was set up to favor the KTM. One example I remember was how much better the KTM clutch was, yet nobody...
I thought that the comparison was set up to favor the KTM. One example I remember was how much better the KTM clutch was, yet nobody is reporting problems with the Honda clutch.

People rave about the great KTM hubs, yet how many problems have ever been reported with Honda wheel sets?

Hondas have always had a small flickable feel, but of course Jody didn't address that. He basically said the Honda engine ran like crap, but almost everyone else says it's an excellent engine and much closer to the KTM than Jody said.

I feel that any comparison involving Jody amounts to him trying to justify his preference instead of him giving an unbiased report.

I'm sure they're both great bikes and close enough that it's a personal preference thing.
Agree with everything you said....and both are VERY good bikes and a lot closer than Jody makes out (from real experience riding both).
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I have 16 and 1/2 KTM FE and I test ride the 17 Honda stock bike with Enzo suspension. I am 56 year old expert and...
I have 16 and 1/2 KTM FE and I test ride the 17 Honda stock bike with Enzo suspension. I am 56 year old expert and I still do pretty good. My take on this , The Honda is good bike but is more built for the younger generation . Bike feel to me like modified 250F . The chassis is slimmer and little smaller then the older model and the handlebars feels to be higher. Motor is like 250f on steroids, no bottom grunge like the KTM AND YAMAHA more midrange quick aggressive spin with some decent top end . The suspension, good bottoming resistance and plush over the small stuff but the fork feels to be harsh in mid stroke. For me the bike was little hard to ride but that is me , I am sure that lots of people specially the younger will love this bike.
What do you set the fork pressure at?
, I weigh 220lb and run 157 in the forks on the KTM.
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1/20/2017 8:43pm
ob wrote:
I wish somebody would say why one is better than the other. Just a bunch of bs so far. But yes seems they are both good...
I wish somebody would say why one is better than the other. Just a bunch of bs so far. But yes seems they are both good bikes and personal opinion maybe the only factor. But on paper the Honda doesn't have shit for the Ktm. That's just facts.
I put deposit on the Honda end of this year but I was I need off bike and Honda was taking to long so I purchased the Ktm . I am glad that I did , specially after I ride the Honda. The power on the Ktm is just unbelievable, I love that motor.
The chassis comfortable and turns great. The bike is put together very smart , easy to work on it.Stock wheel set is strong, no dents yet. Clutch and brakes are excellent. Bike is light and suspension works great out of box. And I don't need to go out and buy e start , black rims , oversized bars , hr meter , gold chain and sprockets, exhaust and more,every thing is on the bike already . I like the KTM and I never had one before, I was a Honda guy for life.
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early wrote:
Sounds like the guys that have the KTMs like the KTM, and guys that have the Honda like the Honda. Funny how that works.
Whatever helmet they have is the best.....same with boots.....same with suspension shop.....same with everything. I'm sure there's a psychological explanation for this. It's fun as hell to discuss the pros and cons of each bike.

I love the Ktm 450sxf (cone valve forks and traxx shock) and feel it is the best race weapon. You literally can change angles halfway through turns and for this reason I think it is the best race weapon. It's easy to switch to different lines in the heat of a race. The thing just handle amazing.

But......they are kind of made shoddy. Shit just kind of wears out. I think it is a great bike but I think it's an 80 hour "throwaway" bike. I'm sure you can get 500 hours out of these bikes if you wanted but shit starts to break quicker than a other brands.

Not a knock on the Ktm at all. Like I said....it is an amazing race weapon and to me the best handling bike made. I'm traditionally a Honda guy and I also own a 2015 crf450 (spring forks off a 2013 Crf250) and it's a good bike as well. Better quality and more of a long term bike.

So....my question is.....are you planning on flipping the bike after a year or two (how often do you ride?) or do you own your bikes for 5 years? If you own the bikes for longer periods.....get the Honda.
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The fit and finish that come stock on the Ktm.....you can come close with aftermarket parts. Side note.....the stock wheels on the KTm seem to be weak.

I've invested a ton into my Ktm and it is the fastest bike I've ever owned in regards to getting me around the track. I'm a 200 Lb vet "A" rider. I've owned a shit ton of bikes over the years.
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I bought a crf450 and it's the best bike I've ever ridden.
not questioning your decision, or opinion, but in all fairness I have never and I mean never.....(with the exception of a 1997 cr 250 ) have heard anyone bad mouth a bike they just bought......just sayin.
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I bought a crf450 and it's the best bike I've ever ridden.
vetmxr wrote:
not questioning your decision, or opinion, but in all fairness I have never and I mean never.....(with the exception of a 1997 cr 250 ) have...
not questioning your decision, or opinion, but in all fairness I have never and I mean never.....(with the exception of a 1997 cr 250 ) have heard anyone bad mouth a bike they just bought......just sayin.
Agree with this ^^^^^^^^^

No harm in it though......we're all Moto Geechs at the end of the day
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1/20/2017 9:18pm
early wrote:
Sounds like the guys that have the KTMs like the KTM, and guys that have the Honda like the Honda. Funny how that works.
Moto520 wrote:
Whatever helmet they have is the best.....same with boots.....same with suspension shop.....same with everything. I'm sure there's a psychological explanation for this. It's fun as hell...
Whatever helmet they have is the best.....same with boots.....same with suspension shop.....same with everything. I'm sure there's a psychological explanation for this. It's fun as hell to discuss the pros and cons of each bike.

I love the Ktm 450sxf (cone valve forks and traxx shock) and feel it is the best race weapon. You literally can change angles halfway through turns and for this reason I think it is the best race weapon. It's easy to switch to different lines in the heat of a race. The thing just handle amazing.

But......they are kind of made shoddy. Shit just kind of wears out. I think it is a great bike but I think it's an 80 hour "throwaway" bike. I'm sure you can get 500 hours out of these bikes if you wanted but shit starts to break quicker than a other brands.

Not a knock on the Ktm at all. Like I said....it is an amazing race weapon and to me the best handling bike made. I'm traditionally a Honda guy and I also own a 2015 crf450 (spring forks off a 2013 Crf250) and it's a good bike as well. Better quality and more of a long term bike.

So....my question is.....are you planning on flipping the bike after a year or two (how often do you ride?) or do you own your bikes for 5 years? If you own the bikes for longer periods.....get the Honda.
I don't see this at all with the KTM's I own. Other than they are good machines.
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1/20/2017 9:52pm
early wrote:
Sounds like the guys that have the KTMs like the KTM, and guys that have the Honda like the Honda. Funny how that works.
Moto520 wrote:
Whatever helmet they have is the best.....same with boots.....same with suspension shop.....same with everything. I'm sure there's a psychological explanation for this. It's fun as hell...
Whatever helmet they have is the best.....same with boots.....same with suspension shop.....same with everything. I'm sure there's a psychological explanation for this. It's fun as hell to discuss the pros and cons of each bike.

I love the Ktm 450sxf (cone valve forks and traxx shock) and feel it is the best race weapon. You literally can change angles halfway through turns and for this reason I think it is the best race weapon. It's easy to switch to different lines in the heat of a race. The thing just handle amazing.

But......they are kind of made shoddy. Shit just kind of wears out. I think it is a great bike but I think it's an 80 hour "throwaway" bike. I'm sure you can get 500 hours out of these bikes if you wanted but shit starts to break quicker than a other brands.

Not a knock on the Ktm at all. Like I said....it is an amazing race weapon and to me the best handling bike made. I'm traditionally a Honda guy and I also own a 2015 crf450 (spring forks off a 2013 Crf250) and it's a good bike as well. Better quality and more of a long term bike.

So....my question is.....are you planning on flipping the bike after a year or two (how often do you ride?) or do you own your bikes for 5 years? If you own the bikes for longer periods.....get the Honda.
vetmxr wrote:
I don't see this at all with the KTM's I own. Other than they are good machines.
Yeah....I'm a first time Ktm guy so some of the little stuff has been kind of bugging me. A few things wore out kind of quickly. The shifter lever got slop, map switch apparently broke where the wire comes out of the switch at the lever witch put you in permanent mellow mode, bolts are crappy and easy to round off, wheels went untrue quickly despite my perfect maintenance (just kidding), weak rims or something like that......flat spots earlier than expected, couple of recalls.....pain in my dick because they won't just send you the parts so two trips to the dealership that I didn't want to make, the battery makes me a little nervous. That's about it after 20 hours so nothing major. I just don't have the confidence that things will hold up. Just my opinion. Again....I absolutely think the bike is amazing while riding it. The brakes are obviously amazing. The clutch is without flaw. Ergonomics are excellent and only required minor adjustments and parts for my tallness. The stock forks on the 2016 are obviously kind of funky so I replaced them with the cone valves.

What do some of you others think of the Ktm reliability? anyone agree with my observations on some of the parts seeming to wear quickly?
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I'm on my second KTM. Currently I have a 450 2016 FE with 20 hours. No problems so far. I've been impressed in the quality of the bike. Tore it down to grease and just all the fitment, bearings, and parts seem great.
My first KTM was a 2015 450 and I didn't keep it long. I hated the 4cs forks and FC did a ton of work on them.
The rear wheel kept breaking spokes ever ride. It had the black KTM ones. I put a new set of Moose rims and used the old black KTM spokes and never broke another spoke.
The 2016 FE comes with the DID rims which I think are much better than the Excel rims KTM uses.
The air forks worked really well. The only negative to me is when you are high speed coming into say a sweeper, the front wanted to push. I did just buy a set of CV and they rock. Front tire is like it's glued to the ground and very plush.
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Moto520 wrote:
Whatever helmet they have is the best.....same with boots.....same with suspension shop.....same with everything. I'm sure there's a psychological explanation for this. It's fun as hell...
Whatever helmet they have is the best.....same with boots.....same with suspension shop.....same with everything. I'm sure there's a psychological explanation for this. It's fun as hell to discuss the pros and cons of each bike.

I love the Ktm 450sxf (cone valve forks and traxx shock) and feel it is the best race weapon. You literally can change angles halfway through turns and for this reason I think it is the best race weapon. It's easy to switch to different lines in the heat of a race. The thing just handle amazing.

But......they are kind of made shoddy. Shit just kind of wears out. I think it is a great bike but I think it's an 80 hour "throwaway" bike. I'm sure you can get 500 hours out of these bikes if you wanted but shit starts to break quicker than a other brands.

Not a knock on the Ktm at all. Like I said....it is an amazing race weapon and to me the best handling bike made. I'm traditionally a Honda guy and I also own a 2015 crf450 (spring forks off a 2013 Crf250) and it's a good bike as well. Better quality and more of a long term bike.

So....my question is.....are you planning on flipping the bike after a year or two (how often do you ride?) or do you own your bikes for 5 years? If you own the bikes for longer periods.....get the Honda.
vetmxr wrote:
I don't see this at all with the KTM's I own. Other than they are good machines.
Moto520 wrote:
Yeah....I'm a first time Ktm guy so some of the little stuff has been kind of bugging me. A few things wore out kind of quickly...
Yeah....I'm a first time Ktm guy so some of the little stuff has been kind of bugging me. A few things wore out kind of quickly. The shifter lever got slop, map switch apparently broke where the wire comes out of the switch at the lever witch put you in permanent mellow mode, bolts are crappy and easy to round off, wheels went untrue quickly despite my perfect maintenance (just kidding), weak rims or something like that......flat spots earlier than expected, couple of recalls.....pain in my dick because they won't just send you the parts so two trips to the dealership that I didn't want to make, the battery makes me a little nervous. That's about it after 20 hours so nothing major. I just don't have the confidence that things will hold up. Just my opinion. Again....I absolutely think the bike is amazing while riding it. The brakes are obviously amazing. The clutch is without flaw. Ergonomics are excellent and only required minor adjustments and parts for my tallness. The stock forks on the 2016 are obviously kind of funky so I replaced them with the cone valves.

What do some of you others think of the Ktm reliability? anyone agree with my observations on some of the parts seeming to wear quickly?
My first KTMs were a little bit rough. Definitely make the ones today look like Swiss watches! Of course they were a little bit older......

(Not my actual bikes, just same year and model)







Got this one sitting in the corner of the farm shop currently. It's the "new" one.......



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1/20/2017 11:39pm
ob wrote:
I don't see any reason to buy the Honda over the Ktm besides brand loyalty or price. Ktm is way lighter, more power, starter, suspension is...
I don't see any reason to buy the Honda over the Ktm besides brand loyalty or price. Ktm is way lighter, more power, starter, suspension is subjective of course, Ktm is the best handling according to most tests. So unless you get the Honda for way cheap or just love Honda and hate ktm why would you buy the Honda? Not saying the Honda is bad at all, most current bikes are good. just putting the facts and opinions out there.
Juice clutch, Dirtstar wheels, Twinair filter, Regina chain, all $$$ to add to your Honda. Having said that I could have bought the Honda just wanted to ride a white bike. When you add the e-start to the Honda it becomes the same price as a KTM/Husky.
1/20/2017 11:42pm
Moto520 wrote:
Yeah....I'm a first time Ktm guy so some of the little stuff has been kind of bugging me. A few things wore out kind of quickly...
Yeah....I'm a first time Ktm guy so some of the little stuff has been kind of bugging me. A few things wore out kind of quickly. The shifter lever got slop, map switch apparently broke where the wire comes out of the switch at the lever witch put you in permanent mellow mode, bolts are crappy and easy to round off, wheels went untrue quickly despite my perfect maintenance (just kidding), weak rims or something like that......flat spots earlier than expected, couple of recalls.....pain in my dick because they won't just send you the parts so two trips to the dealership that I didn't want to make, the battery makes me a little nervous. That's about it after 20 hours so nothing major. I just don't have the confidence that things will hold up. Just my opinion. Again....I absolutely think the bike is amazing while riding it. The brakes are obviously amazing. The clutch is without flaw. Ergonomics are excellent and only required minor adjustments and parts for my tallness. The stock forks on the 2016 are obviously kind of funky so I replaced them with the cone valves.

What do some of you others think of the Ktm reliability? anyone agree with my observations on some of the parts seeming to wear quickly?
Had a 16 450 on 50hrs,no proiblems,17 350,only issue the stupid torx screw that retains the map switch onto the bars stripped out in the plastic housing so map switch moves around on the bars,the 450 was a bitch to start on cold mornings and our mornings are not really cold [20 deg c] so would hate to see how hard they are to start in US winter.
1/20/2017 11:59pm Edited Date/Time 1/21/2017 12:04am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Honestly, find a way to ride as many of the new bikes as possible. I don't go off of what the mags say anymore. Everyone raves...
Honestly, find a way to ride as many of the new bikes as possible. I don't go off of what the mags say anymore. Everyone raves about the new Honda for the most part, I rode one and it's for sure better than previous years, but I still didn't care for it much. It wasn't as twitchy as precious years, but going through small choppy bumps it would get pretty nervous. A lot of the mags rag on the Yamaha, but I love mine. Most mags rag on the Suzuki but my pops loves his. All the mags ragged on the kawi's a few years back, but we loved them. Everyone has their own preference and opinion on each of the bikes. My dad loves his Suzuki's, but I don't care for them much. He loves the Yamaha motor after riding my bike, but doesn't like the way it turns compared to his Suzuki. I like the way the 17 Honda turns, but that was all I really liked about it. See if you can find a way to ride them all and decide for yourself that way.
Spot on, I've found that whatever MXA hates I usually love and the bikes they love I usually hate. For example I absolutely love the way the 04-11 KTM's handle but can't stand the 12-15 models, the old ones got headshake but could corner perfectly. I have no comment for then 16- KTM because I haven't tried one yet.

Back to the original topic, they're both nice bikes, hope you got a good deal on whatever you buy but I am struggling to see your point with this post.
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1/21/2017 12:23am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2017 12:26am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
The mind sure can be a bitch in our sport...
TallCan 16 wrote:
One day...[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/20/170380/s1200_Tight_Sprocket_Bolts.jpg[/img] Next Day: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/01/20/170381/s1200_Loose_Sprocket.jpg[/img]
One day...


Next Day:


ob wrote:
So one day you had one hub, then the next day you had a different wheel and hub and that's who's fault? Am I missing something...
So one day you had one hub, then the next day you had a different wheel and hub and that's who's fault? Am I missing something besides the bullshit in your post.
My 17 ktm's (stock) sprocket bolts were junk. They were loose after pretty much every ride. I do love the bike and the forks though
1/21/2017 12:48am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Honestly, find a way to ride as many of the new bikes as possible. I don't go off of what the mags say anymore. Everyone raves...
Honestly, find a way to ride as many of the new bikes as possible. I don't go off of what the mags say anymore. Everyone raves about the new Honda for the most part, I rode one and it's for sure better than previous years, but I still didn't care for it much. It wasn't as twitchy as precious years, but going through small choppy bumps it would get pretty nervous. A lot of the mags rag on the Yamaha, but I love mine. Most mags rag on the Suzuki but my pops loves his. All the mags ragged on the kawi's a few years back, but we loved them. Everyone has their own preference and opinion on each of the bikes. My dad loves his Suzuki's, but I don't care for them much. He loves the Yamaha motor after riding my bike, but doesn't like the way it turns compared to his Suzuki. I like the way the 17 Honda turns, but that was all I really liked about it. See if you can find a way to ride them all and decide for yourself that way.
gpnewhouse wrote:
Spot on, I've found that whatever MXA hates I usually love and the bikes they love I usually hate. For example I absolutely love the way...
Spot on, I've found that whatever MXA hates I usually love and the bikes they love I usually hate. For example I absolutely love the way the 04-11 KTM's handle but can't stand the 12-15 models, the old ones got headshake but could corner perfectly. I have no comment for then 16- KTM because I haven't tried one yet.

Back to the original topic, they're both nice bikes, hope you got a good deal on whatever you buy but I am struggling to see your point with this post.
Not really that hard to see the point,if you were contemplating purchasing a 17 crf450,would still do so after reading the MXA review?

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