Alta Motors Electric Dirt Bike Takes on Red Bull Straight Rhythm

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10/6/2016 12:51pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2016 12:51pm
Europedude wrote:
I'm talking about the sport not about bikes. Sport needs to look and sound good if you want to sell it. Fans are as much important...
I'm talking about the sport not about bikes. Sport needs to look and sound good if you want to sell it. Fans are as much important as riders, that's why I'm bringing F1 example, it's a perfect example of how important is image of the sport. Do you really belive that fanbase drop will be good for MX? If electric bikes will ever take over, even Red Bud National will be a ghost town.

Sound is one of the biggest factors in this sport. People are coming to races to watch screaming brutal machines.
They are coming for this: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwKupJYhTEk[/url]

Do you think they will be as much excited about that?
[url]https://youtu.be/EvGqvleYZoM?t=46s[/url]
The racing aspect is such a small subset of the market though. You're not thinking in terms of the big picture. Few off-road bikes purchased are actually raced. So the noise issue is certainly valid. Noise is what has constantly shut down riding areas. Sure, people want to hear the excitement of racing. And even the people who live near tracks might be tolerant of the occasional event (think F1 racing where they only come once a year). People who live near tracks don't want to hear it all the time. Once the complaints start coming in, they start finding ways to hassle or shut down riding areas. For all the people going to the races to see "brutal screaming machines," there are typically far more going to town hall to see how to shut down the track.

I understand the resistance to change. Engines have been the way of life for a long time. Times change though, and with it technology. Rather then resist based on the sound, why not embrace the changes that it could potentially bring about? More riding areas accessible. Potentially exposing the sport to more people in a positive manner as opposed to those "loud dirt bikes." There is a far greater upside than there is a downside to this change.

I don't know when the transition will take place, but it is the future of transportation and racing.
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If there is anything out there that will reverse the course of MX becoming less and less of a sport for the average joe out there, this is it. The single biggest issue for the sport is where to ride. Here in King County WA, there is one track (Pacific Raceway), and guess what, it has noise issues with the neighbors. Numerous tracks have closed, and the most recent, multi year attempt to open a new just failed - in part, due to noise. Yet on the outskirts of Seattle, we have a mountain bike park with multiple jump lines. It's only 130 acres or so, but has a lot of trail packed into it. It's easy to imagine how the same thing could be built for electric bikes. Take away noise and fumes and the haters lose most of their ammo. This is something that should be embraced by the industry and enthusiasts as the one thing likely to stop a perpetual decline.
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The racing aspect is such a small subset of the market though. You're not thinking in terms of the big picture. Few off-road bikes purchased are...
The racing aspect is such a small subset of the market though. You're not thinking in terms of the big picture. Few off-road bikes purchased are actually raced. So the noise issue is certainly valid. Noise is what has constantly shut down riding areas. Sure, people want to hear the excitement of racing. And even the people who live near tracks might be tolerant of the occasional event (think F1 racing where they only come once a year). People who live near tracks don't want to hear it all the time. Once the complaints start coming in, they start finding ways to hassle or shut down riding areas. For all the people going to the races to see "brutal screaming machines," there are typically far more going to town hall to see how to shut down the track.

I understand the resistance to change. Engines have been the way of life for a long time. Times change though, and with it technology. Rather then resist based on the sound, why not embrace the changes that it could potentially bring about? More riding areas accessible. Potentially exposing the sport to more people in a positive manner as opposed to those "loud dirt bikes." There is a far greater upside than there is a downside to this change.

I don't know when the transition will take place, but it is the future of transportation and racing.
My guess as to when the transition will take place:

When electric bike prices drop to near current bike prices OR when electric only tracks start to open.
10/6/2016 1:22pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2016 1:25pm
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If there is anything out there that will reverse the course of MX becoming less and less of a sport for the average joe out there...
If there is anything out there that will reverse the course of MX becoming less and less of a sport for the average joe out there, this is it. The single biggest issue for the sport is where to ride. Here in King County WA, there is one track (Pacific Raceway), and guess what, it has noise issues with the neighbors. Numerous tracks have closed, and the most recent, multi year attempt to open a new just failed - in part, due to noise. Yet on the outskirts of Seattle, we have a mountain bike park with multiple jump lines. It's only 130 acres or so, but has a lot of trail packed into it. It's easy to imagine how the same thing could be built for electric bikes. Take away noise and fumes and the haters lose most of their ammo. This is something that should be embraced by the industry and enthusiasts as the one thing likely to stop a perpetual decline.
You guys are absolutly right if it comes to rider perspective, but I'm actually a downhill racer and only an MX fan, I won't follow electric mx because it doesn't make me excited about the sport. Switching to electric engines is like cutting mans balls. I have my silent sport, it's mountain biking I love nature factor, mountains as much as I love motocross - brutal, fast, loud sport for modern gladiators. Thats how I see motocross. I think Grant Langston would agree with me.

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Alta is incorporating a sound file for Hill's bike so it sounds a little better ...
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ACBraap wrote:
If there is anything out there that will reverse the course of MX becoming less and less of a sport for the average joe out there...
If there is anything out there that will reverse the course of MX becoming less and less of a sport for the average joe out there, this is it. The single biggest issue for the sport is where to ride. Here in King County WA, there is one track (Pacific Raceway), and guess what, it has noise issues with the neighbors. Numerous tracks have closed, and the most recent, multi year attempt to open a new just failed - in part, due to noise. Yet on the outskirts of Seattle, we have a mountain bike park with multiple jump lines. It's only 130 acres or so, but has a lot of trail packed into it. It's easy to imagine how the same thing could be built for electric bikes. Take away noise and fumes and the haters lose most of their ammo. This is something that should be embraced by the industry and enthusiasts as the one thing likely to stop a perpetual decline.
Europedude wrote:
You guys are absolutly right if it comes to rider perspective, but I'm actually a downhill racer and only an MX fan, I won't follow electric...
You guys are absolutly right if it comes to rider perspective, but I'm actually a downhill racer and only an MX fan, I won't follow electric mx because it doesn't make me excited about the sport. Switching to electric engines is like cutting mans balls. I have my silent sport, it's mountain biking I love nature factor, mountains as much as I love motocross - brutal, fast, loud sport for modern gladiators. Thats how I see motocross. I think Grant Langston would agree with me.

That seems like a pretty selfish way to look at it, but ok.

If a massive reduction in noise and noise complaints means more tracks (or just less tracks closing) then I'm all for it.
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10/6/2016 1:53pm
Europedude wrote:
You guys are absolutly right if it comes to rider perspective, but I'm actually a downhill racer and only an MX fan, I won't follow electric...
You guys are absolutly right if it comes to rider perspective, but I'm actually a downhill racer and only an MX fan, I won't follow electric mx because it doesn't make me excited about the sport. Switching to electric engines is like cutting mans balls. I have my silent sport, it's mountain biking I love nature factor, mountains as much as I love motocross - brutal, fast, loud sport for modern gladiators. Thats how I see motocross. I think Grant Langston would agree with me.

I can appreciate your candor. But I'd trade someone who's simply a fan for someone who will actually buy a bike and get involved in the sport any day of the week without hesitation. The participants are what is going to keep the sport going. Not the spectators. If electric bikes create more participants for the many reasons that they most likely will, the tradeoff is more than worth it.

You can't make everybody happy in the end. If (when) the sport goes electric, we will lose some people. But the numbers we pick up will most likely more than offset that. And involvement and people spending money and having riding areas is what the sport needs more than ever right now.
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The pipe just quit this sport for a 2nd time.
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If you don't support the advancement and eventual replacement of combustion with electric motors you are an archaic redneck. Do you like riding your dirt bike...
If you don't support the advancement and eventual replacement of combustion with electric motors you are an archaic redneck. Do you like riding your dirt bike or "hearing" it? I like the sound of a two stroke as much as the next guy, because I own one, but the possibilities are limitless with these, and it would better our sport forever.

There is nothing on the horizon for motocross and off road riding more promising of furthering larger involvement than a virtually silent motorcycle.
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Tell me, what is archaic about combustion vs electric?
Using an internal combustion engine for any type of motorised vehicle is not a very elegant engineering solution.

Firstly they extremely inefficient at utilising the energy contained in the fuel.

They suffer from further loss in energy transmitting the mechanical energy to the wheels via a transmission, diff etc. Yes I know most electric bikes still have the same drive train, but the potential is there with electric motors to do it a lot differently - look at some of the new electric car designs coming out with motors in each wheel.

Finally, powering any vehicle that is designed to stop and start frequently with an engine that produces zero torque at zero or low revs introduces a lot of compromises. Clutch or auto transmissions, and multispeed gearboxes are comprises to get around that shortcoming.

Just because something has been around for years and has been fine-tuned in no way means it's the best solution. It was simply the best solution at the time it was invented.
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Skidaddle wrote:
Exciting. Incredible heart pounding action.

https://youtu.be/ATUSAjZPcos
You're being sarcastic but that was indeed crazy.

Instant, silent power to the ground. That's intense in its own right.
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ando wrote:
Using an internal combustion engine for any type of motorised vehicle is not a very elegant engineering solution. Firstly they extremely inefficient at utilising the energy...
Using an internal combustion engine for any type of motorised vehicle is not a very elegant engineering solution.

Firstly they extremely inefficient at utilising the energy contained in the fuel.

They suffer from further loss in energy transmitting the mechanical energy to the wheels via a transmission, diff etc. Yes I know most electric bikes still have the same drive train, but the potential is there with electric motors to do it a lot differently - look at some of the new electric car designs coming out with motors in each wheel.

Finally, powering any vehicle that is designed to stop and start frequently with an engine that produces zero torque at zero or low revs introduces a lot of compromises. Clutch or auto transmissions, and multispeed gearboxes are comprises to get around that shortcoming.

Just because something has been around for years and has been fine-tuned in no way means it's the best solution. It was simply the best solution at the time it was invented.
the only reason internal combustion engines exists is because of the superiority of the energy density of the fuel source. One gallon of gas has 33.3kwh of energy.

therefore the tesla p100d with 100kwh only has 3 gallons of gas equivalent

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10/6/2016 5:32pm
DV is gonna make Christian Craig ride with an extension cord around his neck in preparation for the future.
Jump ropes be damned.
10/6/2016 5:37pm
A friend of mine just rode a zero street bike at a track day last month. It was pretty cool. Especially when he silently passed people.
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Well i can say ive ridden electric MX bikes...yes plural...BIKES.....except the Alta....and i WAS!,( the guy who looked at them as a joke)....Then i cracked the...
Well i can say ive ridden electric MX bikes...yes plural...BIKES.....except the Alta....and i WAS!,( the guy who looked at them as a joke)....Then i cracked the throttle.....Now i ride a full modded 2014 Yz450...full GYTR set up...Head, Cams,Cp project X 13.75 piston..CrankWorks crank...and a great mapping set up that brings it to a dream......these electric bikes are AMAZING.....rode one at glen helen....the one i rode was the 450 counterpart....the torque & speed at which these things create is just insane...all the power to the rear wheel....nearly no wheel spin cause the motors are so programmable...u can add engine breaking by 3% + or -....im going to assume the traction control effect i felt is programmable as well...but was explained to me in technical terms so i must have missed it......it was MUCH faster off the line....and at every speed then a modded 450...ITS ALREADY HERE....the future......the only issue about ridding them is it hard to corner...no sound it screws with you entire cornering process...once u ride one u will understand what im saying......these things are damn fast....i rode a prototype 450 equivalent....and it was a hell of alot faster then a 450.....i was left in Awe.....when u ride in a stright line..it feels light....in a corner u feel the weight....Mass centralization....ehhh....slightly.....but the Alta is differant.....if you get a chance to ride on give it a shot....WoW!
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So many periods...only one sentence. Also use "thAn" when comparing two things. So was it an another upstarts 450 equivalent or an established motorcycle company? Any...
So many periods...only one sentence.

Also use "thAn" when comparing two things.

So was it an another upstarts 450 equivalent or an established motorcycle company? Any details on power/weight/ride time?
really man...the periods are like when a person tends to take breath between sentences....and i don't tend to have enough time to proof read everything......nobodies perfect.....if thats what your having a issue with thats pretty funny....easy there man......i can't even remember the name of the bike....thing was all blacked out..had a CRF front end and forks........
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really man...the periods are like when a person tends to take breath between sentences....and i don't tend to have enough time to proof read everything......nobodies perfect.....if...
really man...the periods are like when a person tends to take breath between sentences....and i don't tend to have enough time to proof read everything......nobodies perfect.....if thats what your having a issue with thats pretty funny....easy there man......i can't even remember the name of the bike....thing was all blacked out..had a CRF front end and forks........
did it look like this?

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If you don't support the advancement and eventual replacement of combustion with electric motors you are an archaic redneck. Do you like riding your dirt bike...
If you don't support the advancement and eventual replacement of combustion with electric motors you are an archaic redneck. Do you like riding your dirt bike or "hearing" it? I like the sound of a two stroke as much as the next guy, because I own one, but the possibilities are limitless with these, and it would better our sport forever.

There is nothing on the horizon for motocross and off road riding more promising of furthering larger involvement than a virtually silent motorcycle.
Markee wrote:
Tell me, what is archaic about combustion vs electric?
ando wrote:
Using an internal combustion engine for any type of motorised vehicle is not a very elegant engineering solution. Firstly they extremely inefficient at utilising the energy...
Using an internal combustion engine for any type of motorised vehicle is not a very elegant engineering solution.

Firstly they extremely inefficient at utilising the energy contained in the fuel.

They suffer from further loss in energy transmitting the mechanical energy to the wheels via a transmission, diff etc. Yes I know most electric bikes still have the same drive train, but the potential is there with electric motors to do it a lot differently - look at some of the new electric car designs coming out with motors in each wheel.

Finally, powering any vehicle that is designed to stop and start frequently with an engine that produces zero torque at zero or low revs introduces a lot of compromises. Clutch or auto transmissions, and multispeed gearboxes are comprises to get around that shortcoming.

Just because something has been around for years and has been fine-tuned in no way means it's the best solution. It was simply the best solution at the time it was invented.


Nothing about an electric motor is elegant. This Jag V12 on the other hand is elegant, sexy,, loud, full of craftsmanship, and the awsome sound would damn near give my wife an orgasm. Electric vehicles do none of those things. They lack everything that make motorsports exciting. This will prove out as soon as somone tries to sell tickets to a MX, Nascar, NHRA, or any other event with all electric motors.

Also, the electric motor was invented 130 or so years ago, roughly same time combustion engine has been around. It's not a new solution to the combustion motor.


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Markee wrote:
Tell me, what is archaic about combustion vs electric?
ando wrote:
Using an internal combustion engine for any type of motorised vehicle is not a very elegant engineering solution. Firstly they extremely inefficient at utilising the energy...
Using an internal combustion engine for any type of motorised vehicle is not a very elegant engineering solution.

Firstly they extremely inefficient at utilising the energy contained in the fuel.

They suffer from further loss in energy transmitting the mechanical energy to the wheels via a transmission, diff etc. Yes I know most electric bikes still have the same drive train, but the potential is there with electric motors to do it a lot differently - look at some of the new electric car designs coming out with motors in each wheel.

Finally, powering any vehicle that is designed to stop and start frequently with an engine that produces zero torque at zero or low revs introduces a lot of compromises. Clutch or auto transmissions, and multispeed gearboxes are comprises to get around that shortcoming.

Just because something has been around for years and has been fine-tuned in no way means it's the best solution. It was simply the best solution at the time it was invented.
SCR wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/10/06/154900/s1200_0fa796cb42133905fed478749f336108.jpg[/img] Nothing about an electric motor is elegant. This Jag V12 on the other hand is elegant, sexy,, loud, full of craftsmanship, and the awsome sound...


Nothing about an electric motor is elegant. This Jag V12 on the other hand is elegant, sexy,, loud, full of craftsmanship, and the awsome sound would damn near give my wife an orgasm. Electric vehicles do none of those things. They lack everything that make motorsports exciting. This will prove out as soon as somone tries to sell tickets to a MX, Nascar, NHRA, or any other event with all electric motors.

Also, the electric motor was invented 130 or so years ago, roughly same time combustion engine has been around. It's not a new solution to the combustion motor.


Imagine taking a nap during a silent nascar race.
Or a silent Indy 500.

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10/6/2016 11:20pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2016 11:50pm
SCR wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/10/06/154900/s1200_0fa796cb42133905fed478749f336108.jpg[/img] Nothing about an electric motor is elegant. This Jag V12 on the other hand is elegant, sexy,, loud, full of craftsmanship, and the awsome sound...


Nothing about an electric motor is elegant. This Jag V12 on the other hand is elegant, sexy,, loud, full of craftsmanship, and the awsome sound would damn near give my wife an orgasm. Electric vehicles do none of those things. They lack everything that make motorsports exciting. This will prove out as soon as somone tries to sell tickets to a MX, Nascar, NHRA, or any other event with all electric motors.

Also, the electric motor was invented 130 or so years ago, roughly same time combustion engine has been around. It's not a new solution to the combustion motor.


Not arguing, just presenting a different point of view. Do electric motors share the same desired traits that we all enjoy about combustion engines? No, and they arent supposed to.
What makes the traits of the combustion engine so desirable? It's what grew up with it. We learned it, understand it, and are familiar with it. Our opinons are formed through life experiences, its all we know. So, if a generation grows up with electric, then that is what they are comfortable with. Its all they know and a whole new set of desirable traits are formed. So, what is relevant to one generation doesn't necessarily mean it will be relevant (or even a known concept) to another. Kind of like a landline phone, kids have heard about the concept but they are concerned with what affects their life today. If you don't know what to miss, you don't miss it.

So, then it evolves to no longer being a comparison of the two, yet a shift in the paradigm altogether.

Just food for thought.
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The noise of the four strokes has made much damage to our sport and has got many traditional tracks closed mean while it is almost impossible to get permits for new tracks. If things won't change we don't have any places to ride in the future and motocross will die slowly.

As much as I love the sound of forty bikes with combustion engine (two stroke preferably) at the starting gate I still think only thing that can save the sport in the future are electric bikes. There are just too much pressure from environmentalists to shut down all the tracks one by one. It would be cool to see racing get back to places like Namur with the new e-bikes
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kzizok wrote:
Not arguing, just presenting a different point of view. Do electric motors share the same desired traits that we all enjoy about combustion engines? No, and...
Not arguing, just presenting a different point of view. Do electric motors share the same desired traits that we all enjoy about combustion engines? No, and they arent supposed to.
What makes the traits of the combustion engine so desirable? It's what grew up with it. We learned it, understand it, and are familiar with it. Our opinons are formed through life experiences, its all we know. So, if a generation grows up with electric, then that is what they are comfortable with. Its all they know and a whole new set of desirable traits are formed. So, what is relevant to one generation doesn't necessarily mean it will be relevant (or even a known concept) to another. Kind of like a landline phone, kids have heard about the concept but they are concerned with what affects their life today. If you don't know what to miss, you don't miss it.

So, then it evolves to no longer being a comparison of the two, yet a shift in the paradigm altogether.

Just food for thought.
Great post. Imagine asking your future kids if they want to try the 250F instead of their Alta. "The 250F is loud as fuck, it grenades every 40hrs, needs an oil change every 3rd hour and is weaker than your Alta, but it's the shit!"
10/7/2016 12:30am
If you don't support the advancement and eventual replacement of combustion with electric motors you are an archaic redneck. Do you like riding your dirt bike...
If you don't support the advancement and eventual replacement of combustion with electric motors you are an archaic redneck. Do you like riding your dirt bike or "hearing" it? I like the sound of a two stroke as much as the next guy, because I own one, but the possibilities are limitless with these, and it would better our sport forever.

There is nothing on the horizon for motocross and off road riding more promising of furthering larger involvement than a virtually silent motorcycle.
Markee wrote:
Tell me, what is archaic about combustion vs electric?
Using a non renewable energy source when the option for renewable clean energy exists is by definition, archaic. You lose.
10/7/2016 12:34am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2016 12:35am
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Noise is NOT the problem. It's MONEY. If it were noise, Nascar and NHRA would be out of business. I know people who live right by...
Noise is NOT the problem. It's MONEY.
If it were noise, Nascar and NHRA would be out of business.

I know people who live right by Starwest. Wanna know what pisses them off? The 760 LI covered with dust.
People do not drive NASCAR or NHRA cars in their backyard or their buddies woods behind his house near a housing development, or in the hills or on the sides of mountains or etc etc etc

I have personally sat in city council meetings trying to get a private track legal for private practice only to be permanently shut down because of noise complaints. Not once, but twice.

You're input is nill.
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4 strokes bled MX

Electrics will be the nail in the coffin

I think electrics are the future but going to a dome and watching a silent supercross will suck.

If they can pump a premix smell in with some 2 stroke noise it'll be good.
10/7/2016 2:08am
I think people here are way too naive and optimistic about electric bikes. I see them as an alternative but they will not take over, no way. Until goverments force industry to do it, I don't see it coming any soon. There are so many factors. There are companies making parts, oils, fuels. Nationals are sponsored by Lucas Oil. Do you belive that they will sponsor the series with bikes that doesn't use oil? Do you belive Kawasaki will say: f**k you Mitch, we dont need your exhaust's anymore? Moving to electric motors is like saying "f*ck you" to whole motocross industry. Too much money involved.
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I think people here are way too naive and optimistic about electric bikes. I see them as an alternative but they will not take over, no...
I think people here are way too naive and optimistic about electric bikes. I see them as an alternative but they will not take over, no way. Until goverments force industry to do it, I don't see it coming any soon. There are so many factors. There are companies making parts, oils, fuels. Nationals are sponsored by Lucas Oil. Do you belive that they will sponsor the series with bikes that doesn't use oil? Do you belive Kawasaki will say: f**k you Mitch, we dont need your exhaust's anymore? Moving to electric motors is like saying "f*ck you" to whole motocross industry. Too much money involved.
Until someone starts winning on one, then the whole industry will ditch the 4-strokes just like they did with 2-strokes.Smile
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I'd like to see a breed of electric bikes land somewhere between BMX and MX. Something light with not heaps of power (like 10-15kW) that could be raced on tighter BMXish circuits that can be built in the middle of town. I can understand the perspective that it would take something away from watching MX/SX without the sound, that's why it'd be good to have a hybrid sport.

In terms of riding the full size bikes like Alta, I can't wait. I'd love one for enduro riding, need the extra range though.
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Europedude wrote:
I think people here are way too naive and optimistic about electric bikes. I see them as an alternative but they will not take over, no...
I think people here are way too naive and optimistic about electric bikes. I see them as an alternative but they will not take over, no way. Until goverments force industry to do it, I don't see it coming any soon. There are so many factors. There are companies making parts, oils, fuels. Nationals are sponsored by Lucas Oil. Do you belive that they will sponsor the series with bikes that doesn't use oil? Do you belive Kawasaki will say: f**k you Mitch, we dont need your exhaust's anymore? Moving to electric motors is like saying "f*ck you" to whole motocross industry. Too much money involved.
I think you're way too naive and pessimistic about electric bikes. Yes, I do think the government will eventually do something. Yes, I do think Kawasaki will say f*ck you. No, I don't think Lucas oil will sponsor the series, because energizer or Duracell or some other battery company will. I think this because too much money will be involved.
10/7/2016 5:35am
The people who are arguing that no one will go watch supercross if it's silent....

Football is silent. Millions of viewers. Basketball is silent. Millions of viewers.
Hockey, baseball the list goes on. It will be different, and I know how much you old turds fear change, but it will not hurt the sport.

Say 200,000 people are riding or racing in the US now and stadiums aren't being filled for supercross because there are only 500 places to ride a dirt bike so involvement is at an all time low per capita.

What if 400,000 people are riding and racing because there are 3000 places to ride? These numbers are arbitrary but relevant.
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10/7/2016 5:36am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
I'd like to see a breed of electric bikes land somewhere between BMX and MX. Something light with not heaps of power (like 10-15kW) that could...
I'd like to see a breed of electric bikes land somewhere between BMX and MX. Something light with not heaps of power (like 10-15kW) that could be raced on tighter BMXish circuits that can be built in the middle of town. I can understand the perspective that it would take something away from watching MX/SX without the sound, that's why it'd be good to have a hybrid sport.

In terms of riding the full size bikes like Alta, I can't wait. I'd love one for enduro riding, need the extra range though.
read through all 6 pages to see if someone mentioned this^^^^^

why can't we shoot for being excited for both??? why do we go straight to one will kill the other???

I see it as mentioned above and hope that it takes a life of it's own with a whole new series with it's own set of E specific riders. I see the tracks being able to be built differently and maintained differently for the e bikes ( I would think the deeper the chop/prep the less battery life/run time...) so I see it more of a bmx track type situation.

I would like to own and participate in both and be able to stay close to home, within city limits, and ride/race an e bike nightly (i.e. electric indoor carting). Thus leaving the weekends for the outdoor tracks on the ICE.

Can't wait to see this develop

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