Have you been to a riding school?

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Agent717 wrote:
I've been to Champ Factory (Rick Johnson/Sebastian Tortelli), and Travis Preston's school. I personally liked TP's style of teaching. Even after he wadded up and knocked...
I've been to Champ Factory (Rick Johnson/Sebastian Tortelli), and Travis Preston's school. I personally liked TP's style of teaching. Even after he wadded up and knocked himself silly while demonstrating. No fault of his own though; bike failure sent him over the bars into the face of a big jump. He was a super cool dude and even chilled with us in the parking lot for a couple of cold ones after the class.

Fortunately for me, my employer covered the cost of the classes. If I had to spend my own money I might think a bit harder about whether or not it's worth it for my (casual) level of riding.
Gotta know how you got your boss to pay for Dirtbike lessons.
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Agent717 wrote:
I've been to Champ Factory (Rick Johnson/Sebastian Tortelli), and Travis Preston's school. I personally liked TP's style of teaching. Even after he wadded up and knocked...
I've been to Champ Factory (Rick Johnson/Sebastian Tortelli), and Travis Preston's school. I personally liked TP's style of teaching. Even after he wadded up and knocked himself silly while demonstrating. No fault of his own though; bike failure sent him over the bars into the face of a big jump. He was a super cool dude and even chilled with us in the parking lot for a couple of cold ones after the class.

Fortunately for me, my employer covered the cost of the classes. If I had to spend my own money I might think a bit harder about whether or not it's worth it for my (casual) level of riding.
Gotta know how you got your boss to pay for Dirtbike lessons.
First job out of college was for Honda R&D...
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Schools?


Donny Delgado
Randy Yoho
Kenny Yoho
Vince Devane
Jeff Frisz
Brandon Cunningham

Best thing you could ever do is have some guys teach you
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Get this, back in the 70's our high school had "alternate education week." You could get a group of other student and set up 5 days of any type of instruction you wanted. 8 or us had an Expert level MX rider come in and we rode (track on the school property) for a week with him coaching.

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First job out of college was for Honda R&D...
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Did a 2-day Russ Darnell at Hollister in 87-ish. First day was great followed by a potluck. The first six hours of the second day was spent, by those that didn't show up in an RV, looking for a secluded spot in the sparse vegetation to shit our guts out because the port-a-potty's were full and somebody cross-contaminated the chicken wings.

Anyway, we rehydrated and went on to get our degrees in jumping orange cones and pvc pipes...
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Steve125 wrote:
3 Bailey schools. 78, 79, and 94. I got hit with the stick a lot. I had TP199 in my class in 94.
Blink Laughing Oh, crap...I forgot about the stick. Yeah, I got popped a few times too. Gary didn't play.
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Yes. Went to a 2 day Donnie Hansen school at my local track, in Texas, and there were only a few big bikes compared to youngsters.
I went into this school pretty negative and not thinking I could take much from it and apply it with good results, after all, I had been racing moto a long time. I was so wrong !!!
I learned amazing things that improved my overall riding and racing. It was also cool to see Donnie demonstrating jump technique on my YZ 450 with no helmet on....lol. I have pictures somewhere.

Donnie posed a question to us that I and no one else had an answer for.........and we had a local pro in the class with us. Randy Childers 471
He asked
"When do you know when to apply the brakes?"

I was spell bound.......I was like......huh????

The answer and application made a lot of sense.
Let's see if ya'll know the answer???

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Sitting outside my camper here at GPF (Georgia Practice Facility) reading this after a good day of training. If you are looking for a place to train. Definitely give GPF a try


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Steve125 wrote:
3 Bailey schools. 78, 79, and 94. I got hit with the stick a lot. I had TP199 in my class in 94.
davistld01 wrote:
Blink Laughing Oh, crap...I forgot about the stick. Yeah, I got popped a few times too. Gary didn't play.
two of the best are Rodney Smith and his Brother in Law Steve Hatch. Champions with great explanations the average joe can relate to...don't believe me, ask anyone whos been to either and you won't hear a bad word.
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Sitting outside my camper here at GPF (Georgia Practice Facility) reading this after a good day of training. If you are looking for a place to...
Sitting outside my camper here at GPF (Georgia Practice Facility) reading this after a good day of training. If you are looking for a place to train. Definitely give GPF a try


I been past Holden hundreds of times. Your not far from me.

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Russ Darnell at Indian Dunes in 77 and 78. Shane Watts a few years ago. Also an Andrew Cordina trials school in 1994.
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I went to a Tony D school years ago, and more recently a James Lampkin trials class. The tony d class didn't do much for me. OTOH, there was a Race Tech video called the mental edge that was basically how to critique your own riding, and that was extremely helpful (as long as you're honest with yourself).
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I went to one at Millville after I got a free class for buying a new RM125. I had been racing for a few years at that point and had already won a points championship in the 85 class. But who would pass up an opportunity to ride Millville for free? Little did I know that they trained you on the same track the pros rode the weekend before and didn't groom it! But it was a great experience to ride the roughest of the rough.

The actual school for me at that point was just okay. There were a lot of kids there and only a few instructors so it wasn't all that personal but I think the school was mostly aimed towards more of the beginner side. I will say though, that I was riding the track much faster at the end of the day but I think that's just because we got to spend a lot of time on the track and it was during the week, though they did offer me some good advice here and there after examining me in a certain section.

Would I spend money on one? No, probably not.
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aeffertz wrote:
I went to one at Millville after I got a free class for buying a new RM125. I had been racing for a few years at...
I went to one at Millville after I got a free class for buying a new RM125. I had been racing for a few years at that point and had already won a points championship in the 85 class. But who would pass up an opportunity to ride Millville for free? Little did I know that they trained you on the same track the pros rode the weekend before and didn't groom it! But it was a great experience to ride the roughest of the rough.

The actual school for me at that point was just okay. There were a lot of kids there and only a few instructors so it wasn't all that personal but I think the school was mostly aimed towards more of the beginner side. I will say though, that I was riding the track much faster at the end of the day but I think that's just because we got to spend a lot of time on the track and it was during the week, though they did offer me some good advice here and there after examining me in a certain section.

Would I spend money on one? No, probably not.
You went to a beginners riding school and didn't learn anything because your not a beginner.....your not very smart! Don't go to an advanced riding school!
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Suzuki School of motocross, Carlsbad raceway... 500 champ Mark Blackwell was instructor.
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Hey folks,

I've been sat looking at the feedback over the last 24 hours and i've been amazed by the feed back that you have give me.

I will go into a bit more detail over why I am doing this research. I've noticed over the years of riding the lack of teaching this sport has, it seems to be the only sport where from a young age you can just throw your leg over a dirt bike and ride, if you look at something like golf, the amount of hours people put into perfecting there swing to become better, in motocross it isn't an essential task for a rider to perfect their technique. Again using golf as an example if you're not getting enough distance when you tee off lets say, someone would say they need to use their hips more (I have no idea what I'm talking about, I don't do golf) where as motocross if we are stuggling in a section of the track we tend to go towards blaming the bike and not our technique, which I'm not saying it isn't the bike that's an issue, as motocross is the perfect bond between man and machine, but people seem to blame machine more than man.

To some up what I'm getting at, I'm concerned at the safety of our sport, or the lack of it. I think it needs to be easier for people to access proper technique wether that be riding schools or how to tips online, especially for the younger generation so that when they get on the bigger bikes they're some what prepared technique wise to handle them.

From what I've seen from your guys feed back, a lot of you have gone to a riding school, a lot of feed back has come from the USA and I must admit, riding schools over there come in better quantities than here in the UK, and along side your training facilities, Amatuer Racing programs and events like Mini O's is why I think the US is creating better riders for the future of this sport.

Feel free to comment your opinions on what I have said, do you agree with me or do you think I've gone mad.

Thank you very much for your feedback.
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Been to several Gary Bailey schools with the 1st one in 1982 and learned how to ride faster and in more controle.

Gary studied every top rider and picked up new techniques constantly so there was always something new to teach you.

I talked to Gary and although he is retired he said he would put on a small 10 riders Vet school for me.
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Every time I went to Glen Helen for practice I got schooledWoohoo
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The further you twist the throttle the faster you will go. Best info I ever got.
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Went to a Tony D school because it was free with RM purchase (back in '96 or something like that). Was ok, thing I remember is he said we were going to practice starts. Said you need to start in first gear on a 125. I always started in 2nd and questioned him, and said no you need to start in 1st. Tried one in first and sucked. Went back to my original technique and was getting all the holeshots during the practice starts. He had video taped the practices and at the end of the day we were watching and he said "see your starts got a lot better"....I just said thanks.
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Riding and racing instruction, be it schools or getting schooled really has helped my riding over the years.

Did as Gary Bailey school in 1969...it really set the bar and the hook for me. I still practice the skills he taught me.
In Germany (73 -75) I got schooled by some excellent riders at practice tracks
Did a Russ Darnell school in the early 80's
A Tony D school (yes I bought a Suzuki that year) Bob H was there
Did a three day private Dick Burleson school out of Traverse City in 1989...very good school
The best schooling was riding side my side with Malcolm S for thousands of miles. Learned so much!

I would strongly recommend a MX School as a must do. A 2 or 3 day school or longer is the best as it provides time for reinforcement. Most of us are Rote Learners and repetitive training is a mustWhistling

Even if you leave with just one new skill - it was a successWoohoo
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neverwas wrote:
Went to the Suzuki school of Motocross back in 1976 was at Carlsbad,it helped a lot with riding on rough hard pack and my results improved...
Went to the Suzuki school of Motocross back in 1976 was at Carlsbad,it helped a lot with riding on rough hard pack and my results improved dramatically, still have the gear bag and shirt that came with the class.
Small world...another guy from Tucson who went to the Suzuki school in the mid-70's.

Mark Blackwell was the chief instructor when I was there and AC Bakken was his assistant. Great program. A real MX fantasy camp. I still have the certificate and the notebook.

Learned a lot (was still slow - not Mark or AC's fault!) and had a blast. Still see Mark today on occasion...though most recently at horse events.
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yak651 wrote:
Went to a Tony D school because it was free with RM purchase (back in '96 or something like that). Was ok, thing I remember is...
Went to a Tony D school because it was free with RM purchase (back in '96 or something like that). Was ok, thing I remember is he said we were going to practice starts. Said you need to start in first gear on a 125. I always started in 2nd and questioned him, and said no you need to start in 1st. Tried one in first and sucked. Went back to my original technique and was getting all the holeshots during the practice starts. He had video taped the practices and at the end of the day we were watching and he said "see your starts got a lot better"....I just said thanks.
That's kind of funny.
When I went to his class back in 1992 (I think?) he put me on the spot, because I was the only person on a Kawasaki in his class. Everyone else was on Suzuki's because they got in free as well.
He was in his wheelchair and brought an amateur rider with him. Half way through the day he brought us all together in a section of the track that was a S-turn. He told me I was to go up against his rider. As me and the other guy got ready to race each other in the section he told my good friends who were in the class half jokingly 'Watch this, he'll regret not having a Suzuki'. Well, after about a dozen times of beating his rider out of the S-turn he gave up and took us to another section of the track. I will hand it to him though, he did kind of apologize to me in front of the class and told me I had good cornering technique.
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Steve125 wrote:
3 Bailey schools. 78, 79, and 94. I got hit with the stick a lot. I had TP199 in my class in 94.
davistld01 wrote:
Blink Laughing Oh, crap...I forgot about the stick. Yeah, I got popped a few times too. Gary didn't play.
Another interesting note is Gary is always watching the latest techniques and updating his classes. In 78 he taught us to Square off turns referencing Jimmy Weinert during instruction, 79 was Kent Howerton and Clutch use, and in 94 he was showing us video of K-Dub, showing how up front on the bike he was "make the bike have to catch up to you, you won't have to hold on so tight".
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ItsConer wrote:
Hey folks, I've been sat looking at the feedback over the last 24 hours and i've been amazed by the feed back that you have give...
Hey folks,

I've been sat looking at the feedback over the last 24 hours and i've been amazed by the feed back that you have give me.

I will go into a bit more detail over why I am doing this research. I've noticed over the years of riding the lack of teaching this sport has, it seems to be the only sport where from a young age you can just throw your leg over a dirt bike and ride, if you look at something like golf, the amount of hours people put into perfecting there swing to become better, in motocross it isn't an essential task for a rider to perfect their technique. Again using golf as an example if you're not getting enough distance when you tee off lets say, someone would say they need to use their hips more (I have no idea what I'm talking about, I don't do golf) where as motocross if we are stuggling in a section of the track we tend to go towards blaming the bike and not our technique, which I'm not saying it isn't the bike that's an issue, as motocross is the perfect bond between man and machine, but people seem to blame machine more than man.

To some up what I'm getting at, I'm concerned at the safety of our sport, or the lack of it. I think it needs to be easier for people to access proper technique wether that be riding schools or how to tips online, especially for the younger generation so that when they get on the bigger bikes they're some what prepared technique wise to handle them.

From what I've seen from your guys feed back, a lot of you have gone to a riding school, a lot of feed back has come from the USA and I must admit, riding schools over there come in better quantities than here in the UK, and along side your training facilities, Amatuer Racing programs and events like Mini O's is why I think the US is creating better riders for the future of this sport.

Feel free to comment your opinions on what I have said, do you agree with me or do you think I've gone mad.

Thank you very much for your feedback.
Lots of people play golf, tennis and do other sports without ever getting a lesson.

If a guy wants to get better, faster, he needs some schooling in any particular sport. Many pro golfers in the past and many pro riders never got a lesson.

Again lessons and schooling just speed up the learning process, many are happy with the speed of their learning so they don't seek professional help.

Also much schooling comes from friends, I learned to surf from my friends, my friends helped me be a better rider prior to ever getting a lesson.

Personally I think your not understanding that not all riders care about lessons and for good reason they don't really need them, because they are happy just riding.

Being faster and going bigger for many people doesn't translate into more fun!
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ItsConer wrote:
Hello there, I'm doing some research into technique in this sport and how many people actually want to improve how they ride the bike. If you...
Hello there, I'm doing some research into technique in this sport and how many people actually want to improve how they ride the bike. If you could take a few seconds just to vote here it would really help with the research.

I would also like to hear your opinions on this below, if you don't like going to riding schools, why? are they too expensive? etc

Looking forward to hearing your opinions on this matter.

Thanks
I used to teach a class almost every Sunday in norcal a few years ago. Left a lot of pupils in my roost... LMAO.
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jmx411 wrote:
The further you twist the throttle the faster you will go. Best info I ever got.
Brake later.. Gas it sooner always worked for me.
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Attended Doug Dubach's 1-Day school a few years ago at Racetown 395. Pretty sure I learned more that day than I had the previous 15 years of riding.

Couple of standouts for me were related to starting technique (a few simple tips he gave, which immediately resulted in multiple holeshots at races I attended following the class, when I had never holeshot a single time previously), braking and body-position made me realize just how much later and harder I could brake into a corner. Lastly was conquering rutted corners. I had always avoided the ruts, but when given proper instruction and forced to hit the same corner 25 times in a row, receiving feedback from Doug each time, I was super stoked on feeling 100% more confident taking the inside lines on the track after that day.

On top of that, Doug was just a super nice guy, and getting to watch him effortlessly spin some laps on his own while we ate lunch was awesome as well.

Highly recommended!
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ItsConer wrote:
Hello there, I'm doing some research into technique in this sport and how many people actually want to improve how they ride the bike. If you...
Hello there, I'm doing some research into technique in this sport and how many people actually want to improve how they ride the bike. If you could take a few seconds just to vote here it would really help with the research.

I would also like to hear your opinions on this below, if you don't like going to riding schools, why? are they too expensive? etc

Looking forward to hearing your opinions on this matter.

Thanks
BobbyM wrote:
I used to teach a class almost every Sunday in norcal a few years ago. Left a lot of pupils in my roost... LMAO.
Nobody cares about sidecar racing..... Smile

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