Matthes & "Chase" format

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bobojim 3/17/2016 8:29pm
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NO CHASE FORMAT!!!

Just because some journalist is getting bored covering the sport doesnt mean we have to change the points system.

Sounds to me that Matthes' heart is not in the sport any more. The current framework has some significant advantages and some disadvantages. Good aspects like the commitment, consistency etc required to win a championship obviously don't mean much to Matthes. But to people who love the sport, they are part of what makes it great. Maybe Matthes should "chase" another sport.
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Do you guys like green eggs & ham?

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Good parallel. I read that book to my son almost every night.
Yep. My little Girl has been right into the Dr Seuss books lately too!
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When you guys say it won't work, it'll ruin it, what do you think is actually going to happen? If we take right now, and this...
When you guys say it won't work, it'll ruin it, what do you think is actually going to happen?

If we take right now, and this next week Dungey now has a 5 point lead on Kenny who has 3 on Eli who has 2 on Cole... And we get 7 races of fury to decide it, isn't that exciting?

And if Dungey doesn't win, but the rules are the same for everyone, does that really matter?

If it doesn't work, it can be changed back. But what if it results in some furious racing, some controversy and some excitement, wouldn't that be good?
And what if Dungey wins the first 5 races of 'the chase' and has a 26 point lead going into the last race? Just reset it again? Why not? Let's keep it exciting by hook or by crook.
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I don't fully understand this thing and I haven't made up my mind about it yet.. But don't you guys get tired of seeing a guy run away with the points lead early on and have no competition for half the season? I didn't get serious into watching supercross until a couple years ago. But I know RV had a multi year championship streak and also got the championship the year I started watching more. And I gotta tell ya... That year was boring as hell.. It was like "Oh I wonder who's gonna win tonight? Never mind.. Villipoto again. Very exciting....." -_-

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Crush wrote:
When you guys say it won't work, it'll ruin it, what do you think is actually going to happen? If we take right now, and this...
When you guys say it won't work, it'll ruin it, what do you think is actually going to happen?

If we take right now, and this next week Dungey now has a 5 point lead on Kenny who has 3 on Eli who has 2 on Cole... And we get 7 races of fury to decide it, isn't that exciting?

And if Dungey doesn't win, but the rules are the same for everyone, does that really matter?

If it doesn't work, it can be changed back. But what if it results in some furious racing, some controversy and some excitement, wouldn't that be good?
The reasons you gave "for" it are exactly why I'm against it.

Whoever the rider is with a nice points lead half way through, earned that lead. To have his cushion taken away to give the other guys a chance is an insult to the lead rider.

The rules are the same for everyone right now. If a rider isn't prepared, or hits the deck, or his setup is off the first half the year that's his problem. They shouldn't just get to mulligan half the season.

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To me the person that makes the most points over all the rounds is the Champion, not some BS reset of points.

Not sure I will continue to follow the Sport.
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The reasons you gave "for" it are exactly why I'm against it. Whoever the rider is with a nice points lead half way through, earned that...
The reasons you gave "for" it are exactly why I'm against it.

Whoever the rider is with a nice points lead half way through, earned that lead. To have his cushion taken away to give the other guys a chance is an insult to the lead rider.

The rules are the same for everyone right now. If a rider isn't prepared, or hits the deck, or his setup is off the first half the year that's his problem. They shouldn't just get to mulligan half the season.

Nothing to argue with what you've said, but that doesn't address the almost constant that MX series are runaways... which in a sport laden with so many inherent risks really doesn't encourage close racing and excitement down the track.

You think Kenny and Eli aren't gonna get after it a bit more with a shot at the championship? We already know they will, because any time a far and away points leader goes out with an injury, the 4-5 dudes with a shot at it go batshit trying to get it done... 2007 450 outdoors, 2013 east series are two that come to mind.
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Just let some of the final races pay double points and don't reset anything.
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I can't believe this is even being discussed. You talk about weak.
X1000. Its like most things in this day and age. Lets dummy it down to the lowest common denominator. Never mind who works the hardest, has the best set up, is the smartest, the fittest. Nope, everyone gets to participate. This is motocross, or at least it used to be...fuckin joke. I love when a guy dominates. He is the man, and to be the man, you gotta beat the man. Racing is sports in its purest form. Whoever is the fastest, wins. In our case, whoever is the fastest more often than most, or among the fastest wins the title. If people are bored watching excellence then I feel bad for them. Go watch the WWE (not that there is anything wrong with that.....)
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If they go to this the real fans will still be keeping track of the points and know who the REAL SX Champion is. The guy was in it all season and earned it. Not someone who got do over because of the flatbillers short attention span. The Chase wiould result in the championship meaning absolutely nothing.


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Rosso391 3/17/2016 9:35pm
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The Chase Format does not belong in the world of Motocross.

Enough said!
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Crush wrote:
Nothing to argue with what you've said, but that doesn't address the almost constant that MX series are runaways... which in a sport laden with so...
Nothing to argue with what you've said, but that doesn't address the almost constant that MX series are runaways... which in a sport laden with so many inherent risks really doesn't encourage close racing and excitement down the track.

You think Kenny and Eli aren't gonna get after it a bit more with a shot at the championship? We already know they will, because any time a far and away points leader goes out with an injury, the 4-5 dudes with a shot at it go batshit trying to get it done... 2007 450 outdoors, 2013 east series are two that come to mind.
Exactly, look I am a huge RD fan, do I want it kept the way it is so he keeps winning? (which he wont at some point)....yes....does that make for an exciting sport?...no

Does this chase format punish the likes of RD? Yes and No, yes that he cant win it the way he has for the past few seasons, no if anything makes it more of a challenge and to be perfectly honest (ok I am bias) it wont change the outcome, just make the final chase more exciting as Crush says make 4-5 guys go at it. The best rider will always win no matter what.

imho



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kiwifan 3/17/2016 9:36pm
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Rosso391 wrote:
The Chase Format does not belong in the world of Motocross.

Enough said!
You mean Supercross right?
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DirtDgr 3/17/2016 9:42pm
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Hate the idea. Just shorten the series a few races.

Then make the 250 class run all of them too. Forget east/west.



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Rosso391 3/17/2016 9:44pm
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Rosso391 wrote:
The Chase Format does not belong in the world of Motocross.

Enough said!
kiwifan wrote:
You mean Supercross right?
Supercross is indoor Motocross. I said the "World of Motocross" you know, like the sport. Not the Series of Motocross. Yes I mean Supercross because that's what they're talking about.

Read my comment again care-ful-ly next time...
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kiwifan 3/17/2016 10:03pm
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Rosso391 wrote:
The Chase Format does not belong in the world of Motocross.

Enough said!
kiwifan wrote:
You mean Supercross right?
Rosso391 wrote:
Supercross is indoor Motocross. I said the "World of Motocross" you know, like the sport. Not the Series of Motocross. Yes I mean Supercross because that's...
Supercross is indoor Motocross. I said the "World of Motocross" you know, like the sport. Not the Series of Motocross. Yes I mean Supercross because that's what they're talking about.

Read my comment again care-ful-ly next time...
but the chase format is not being suggested for world of motocross, by your definition it would apply to all forms of motocross....
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kiwifan wrote:
Exactly, look I am a huge RD fan, do I want it kept the way it is so he keeps winning? (which he wont at some...
Exactly, look I am a huge RD fan, do I want it kept the way it is so he keeps winning? (which he wont at some point)....yes....does that make for an exciting sport?...no

Does this chase format punish the likes of RD? Yes and No, yes that he cant win it the way he has for the past few seasons, no if anything makes it more of a challenge and to be perfectly honest (ok I am bias) it wont change the outcome, just make the final chase more exciting as Crush says make 4-5 guys go at it. The best rider will always win no matter what.

imho



They did apply the chase format to the past few years I believe and it did change the champion at last once.

Justin brayton won the title one year with the chase format I believe. He's never even been in the conversation of the best guy.

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Rosso391 3/17/2016 10:12pm
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kiwifan wrote:
but the chase format is not being suggested for world of motocross, by your definition it would apply to all forms of motocross....
Exactly. Meaning, I say it has no business in any aspect of any discipline of Motocross.
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Since NASCAR went to the original chase format in 2004 only twice was the title in flux at the last race. 8 of the 10 years the point leader just had to finish decent in the final race.

The new elimination format of the past 2 years guaranted a close finish and has produced a last race winner=champion.

There is no way that Feld shortens the championship to less than 17 races. Races=$$$ if they could they would probably expand the series for more races.
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kiwifan 3/17/2016 10:16pm
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kiwifan wrote:
but the chase format is not being suggested for world of motocross, by your definition it would apply to all forms of motocross....
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Exactly. Meaning, I say it has no business in any aspect of any discipline of Motocross.
Ok, I guess my comment "but the chase format is not being suggested for world of motocross" meant "it hasnt been suggested to any discipline of motocross only 1 of them...supercross".

I guess we both cant read, and we are both pedantic.
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Rosso391 3/17/2016 10:19pm
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Ah who cares. Either way Chase Format doesn't belong in SX.
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They did apply the chase format to the past few years I believe and it did change the champion at last once. Justin brayton won the...
They did apply the chase format to the past few years I believe and it did change the champion at last once.

Justin brayton won the title one year with the chase format I believe. He's never even been in the conversation of the best guy.

In 2012 Villopoto would have raced the last two races even with the knee injury suffered in Seattle. Just like he did in 2014. But since everyone else had already got hurt (Dungey/Reed/Stew) he had the title wrapped up with 4 races to go. Brayton wouldn't have won the title.
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***************************** that's what will be in front of anyone who wins a chase championship and rightly so . Total bullshit .
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Flatliner wrote:
They did apply the chase format to the past few years I believe and it did change the champion at last once. Justin brayton won the...
They did apply the chase format to the past few years I believe and it did change the champion at last once.

Justin brayton won the title one year with the chase format I believe. He's never even been in the conversation of the best guy.

I dont think applying it to previous years is a solid indication of how it would turn out....
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The problem isn't the format, the problem is that in spite of people saying the field is "the deepest ever", it's not.

Sure, almost everyone in the main is a race winner, but how many could win NOW? Better yet, after seeing the first 11 races, who would even have the consistency to be called a championship contender, even if Dungey wasn't so dominant?

The problem is there is No Villopoto, no Chad and James from circa 2008, no Carmichael,...Outside of Dungey, Roczen, Webb and Martin, I see virtually nobody that has all the ingredients of a REAL championship contender at this point in their career.

No chase format will ever change that.
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Why don't they give somewhere are 3-5 points for pole position in practice and 3-5 for heat races? I feel like that would eliminate the runaway championship.
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wreckitrandy wrote:
I can't believe this is even being discussed. You talk about weak.
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X1000. Its like most things in this day and age. Lets dummy it down to the lowest common denominator. Never mind who works the hardest, has...
X1000. Its like most things in this day and age. Lets dummy it down to the lowest common denominator. Never mind who works the hardest, has the best set up, is the smartest, the fittest. Nope, everyone gets to participate. This is motocross, or at least it used to be...fuckin joke. I love when a guy dominates. He is the man, and to be the man, you gotta beat the man. Racing is sports in its purest form. Whoever is the fastest, wins. In our case, whoever is the fastest more often than most, or among the fastest wins the title. If people are bored watching excellence then I feel bad for them. Go watch the WWE (not that there is anything wrong with that.....)
You guys are amazing.

It's not always the young generations fault, it's not always society's flaws......

This is going to reiterate your point. A chase will bring the best, most prepared, fastest rider to the front.

It will also make a guy like Dungey push the last races, instead of pace Tomac and finish 2nd (Daytona) or take the lead and then go conservative to finish 3rd (Toronto) because he has such a lead all he needs to do is take 3rd or 4th every race from here on out..... which is super lame. That robs us as fans of seeing rear actual battles and competetion.... not the other way around.
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wreckitrandy wrote:
I can't believe this is even being discussed. You talk about weak.
bents wrote:
X1000. Its like most things in this day and age. Lets dummy it down to the lowest common denominator. Never mind who works the hardest, has...
X1000. Its like most things in this day and age. Lets dummy it down to the lowest common denominator. Never mind who works the hardest, has the best set up, is the smartest, the fittest. Nope, everyone gets to participate. This is motocross, or at least it used to be...fuckin joke. I love when a guy dominates. He is the man, and to be the man, you gotta beat the man. Racing is sports in its purest form. Whoever is the fastest, wins. In our case, whoever is the fastest more often than most, or among the fastest wins the title. If people are bored watching excellence then I feel bad for them. Go watch the WWE (not that there is anything wrong with that.....)
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You guys are amazing. It's not always the young generations fault, it's not always society's flaws...... This is going to reiterate your point. A chase will...
You guys are amazing.

It's not always the young generations fault, it's not always society's flaws......

This is going to reiterate your point. A chase will bring the best, most prepared, fastest rider to the front.

It will also make a guy like Dungey push the last races, instead of pace Tomac and finish 2nd (Daytona) or take the lead and then go conservative to finish 3rd (Toronto) because he has such a lead all he needs to do is take 3rd or 4th every race from here on out..... which is super lame. That robs us as fans of seeing rear actual battles and competetion.... not the other way around.
And your solution to the horror of a fast consistent rider is to take away what he's earned and give them it a less successful rider. How Liberal of you.
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Prntscrn 3/18/2016 3:30am
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Reset points? Bunch of socialists Wink

But for real this can't be happening? Great way do disadvantage the best and probably the ones who work the hardest

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