Stewart did nothing wrong. Wrong place at the wrong time

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From MM interview on RX:

"he turned really tight inside to let me by, and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the triple and I still went for it."
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2/29/2016 9:24am
Give Stewart a break! He's a rookie when it comes to blue flags...very little experience. He'll get better at it.
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2/29/2016 9:28am Edited Date/Time 2/29/2016 9:28am
rcm406 wrote:
From MM interview on RX: "he turned really tight inside to [b]let me by[/b], and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the...
From MM interview on RX:

"he turned really tight inside to let me by, and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the triple and I still went for it."
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2/29/2016 9:33am
How many times in the past has James been in similar situations and just blown past the lapper in the whoops.

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2/29/2016 10:13am
Nerves and crazy high heart rate may have been getting to Marvin those last few laps.









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Ok...none of you were on the track Saturday night, and none of you were riding the #25 KTM. And, neither was I. But...if Musquin is saying that the only reason he got out of control was because he was "afraid to be landed on" by Stewart, and that (by his own words) the whole thing was his fault and not Stewies...why all the hating and blaming?

http://racerxonline.com/2016/02/28/monday-conversation-marvin-musquin
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2/29/2016 12:39pm
Fruittag wrote:
Like you, it's a joke. You've always burned the drag on the reel.
Big Lenny wrote:
Team Clown Shoes?...
Fruittag wrote:
Yep. Like your mama always said, the bigger, the redder, the better. Shoes that is.
Yep, retard is fine. But to use a pathetic, unoriginal mom joke should be an instant ban every fucking time...
2/29/2016 12:47pm
All Bubba was thinking was that there was two of those orange bikes coming to get him this time, and he wanted no part of that after the way things turned out the last time.
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2/29/2016 12:51pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2016 12:52pm
Big Lenny wrote:
Team Clown Shoes?...
Fruittag wrote:
Yep. Like your mama always said, the bigger, the redder, the better. Shoes that is.
disbanded wrote:
Yep, retard is fine. But to use a pathetic, unoriginal mom joke should be an instant ban every fucking time...
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Just watched it again after a few days of cooling down. And i come to exactly the same conclusion. How the hell didn't Stewart let them both go before the finish turn? So freaking stupid by a veteran of the sport, a guy that knows how incredibly frustrating it is for a faster guy to get stuck behind a lapper.
2/29/2016 1:38pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2016 1:54pm
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/02/28/126008/s1200_movebitch.jpg[/img] https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/02/28/126008/s1200_movebitch.jpg This is THE corner, and that is not the inside. Got a big laugh on that jpg address which sums it up pretty well

https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/02/28/126008/s1200_movebitch.j…
This is THE corner, and that is not the inside.
Got a big laugh on that jpg address which sums it up pretty well
Show me this picture back in 2014 and I would have taken a guess that Marvin was trying to get out of the way of Stew & Dunge going for the win.

For a lapper, that's an aggressive corner position.

Notice the motion blur on the leaders and lack of motion blur on Stew? They're going fast and he is not. *Although the next pic I saw had Marvin mid corner no motion blur. Who f'in knows.
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2/29/2016 1:54pm
Motofinne wrote:
Just watched it again after a few days of cooling down. And i come to exactly the same conclusion. How the hell didn't Stewart let them...
Just watched it again after a few days of cooling down. And i come to exactly the same conclusion. How the hell didn't Stewart let them both go before the finish turn? So freaking stupid by a veteran of the sport, a guy that knows how incredibly frustrating it is for a faster guy to get stuck behind a lapper.
Couldn't agree more!
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2/29/2016 2:17pm
There's no way it should've taken that long for Musquin to get past Stewart-and through no fault of his own,Stewart had plenty of time to act like every other guy who goes a lap down,he would've seen blue flags well before they got near him

Sure Musquin crashed but he shouldn't have had to "race" Stewart like that,a whole main event,decided by a lapper,he was jumping into that section through the middle every lap except that one where he had to launch in on the right

(just my tuppence,not wading through 15 pages,this is vital Pinch )
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2/29/2016 2:23pm
"Wrong place at the wrong time" Yes indeed, racing the leaders while getting lapped is definitely the wrong place at the wrong time.
2/29/2016 2:39pm
Blue flag means there is a race going on and you aint in it. Pinch
2/29/2016 2:42pm
Motofinne wrote:
Just watched it again after a few days of cooling down. And i come to exactly the same conclusion. How the hell didn't Stewart let them...
Just watched it again after a few days of cooling down. And i come to exactly the same conclusion. How the hell didn't Stewart let them both go before the finish turn? So freaking stupid by a veteran of the sport, a guy that knows how incredibly frustrating it is for a faster guy to get stuck behind a lapper.
Couldn't agree more!
My whole point. Stewart became a point of this argument because he didn't get out of the way well before hand. Watch that slow mo going through the whoops before the corner incident and you see MM must of let off to avoid JS as RD catches up so quick where the other laps they were even.
4.JS impeded the progress of the leaders by not getting out of the way earlier when he had a safe chance to do so
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2/29/2016 2:44pm
rcm406 wrote:
From MM interview on RX: "he turned really tight inside to [b]let me by[/b], and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the...
From MM interview on RX:

"he turned really tight inside to let me by, and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the triple and I still went for it."
Hey, hey, hey!!!! You are ruining this thread for all the haters trying desperately to pin the blame on Stewart! Don't ever stoop to posting facts around here again...especially in a quote from the very mouth of the guy who lost the race! Pinch
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2/29/2016 2:58pm
Motofinne wrote:
Just watched it again after a few days of cooling down. And i come to exactly the same conclusion. How the hell didn't Stewart let them...
Just watched it again after a few days of cooling down. And i come to exactly the same conclusion. How the hell didn't Stewart let them both go before the finish turn? So freaking stupid by a veteran of the sport, a guy that knows how incredibly frustrating it is for a faster guy to get stuck behind a lapper.
No matter what Marvin said you still say he's wrong...man that's funny...Laughing
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My whole point. Stewart became a point of this argument because he didn't get out of the way well before hand. Watch that slow mo going...
My whole point. Stewart became a point of this argument because he didn't get out of the way well before hand. Watch that slow mo going through the whoops before the corner incident and you see MM must of let off to avoid JS as RD catches up so quick where the other laps they were even.
4.JS impeded the progress of the leaders by not getting out of the way earlier when he had a safe chance to do so
Pure comedy..stop it....Laughing
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2/29/2016 3:11pm
I haven't made it through all of the pages yet but am I right in assuming that everyone has decided to chalk it up to "everyone is entitled to an opinion. I respect yours even if we disagree"? Surely it can't be a fifteen page pissing match. Surely.
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2/29/2016 3:20pm
rcm406 wrote:
From MM interview on RX: "he turned really tight inside to [b]let me by[/b], and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the...
From MM interview on RX:

"he turned really tight inside to let me by, and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the triple and I still went for it."
...and taken out of context. How about the rest of the story.

"So last lap, I got close to James Stewart. He was a lap down. On the straightaway by the mechanics’ area, he actually looked back, so he saw me. I revved my bike to tell him, “I’m here, please let me by. Let me do my last lap clean.” I was behind him in the whoops. Obviously he was in the main line, and he turned really tight inside to let me by, and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the triple and I still went for it. I cased the triple, so I slowed down a lot, and then I heard him coming because he was still riding and doing his race behind me. I kind of got scared to get landed on by him. I changed lines and I got so out of control because I got scared. I was scared of getting landed on by him. Feet off the pegs, hit my chest going through the dragon back with no feet on the pegs. I was like, “There we go, I’m down. I’m crashing.” I saved it, went off the track, and I knew Chad [Reed] was behind but not that close, so let’s get safe back on the track and get second."
2/29/2016 3:36pm
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Hey, hey, hey!!!! You are ruining this thread for all the haters trying desperately to pin the blame on Stewart! Don't ever stoop to posting facts...
Hey, hey, hey!!!! You are ruining this thread for all the haters trying desperately to pin the blame on Stewart! Don't ever stoop to posting facts around here again...especially in a quote from the very mouth of the guy who lost the race! Pinch
Dude just because people think Stewart is in the wrong here doesn't mean they are all Stewart haters. Marvin is being overly nice in that interview, as he usually is... "I don't want to blame him too much" If you read between the lines he basically says that Stewart saw them but stayed in the main line, which caused him to lose speed for the triple. That seems to be what everyone else, minus the odd few in this thread, saw as well. I dunno, maybe we are asking too much to expect a guy with a Stewart avatar, or especially Lenny, to be able to form an objective opinion about a Stewart incident.
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2/29/2016 3:39pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2016 3:41pm
rcm406 wrote:
From MM interview on RX: "he turned really tight inside to [b]let me by[/b], and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the...
From MM interview on RX:

"he turned really tight inside to let me by, and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the triple and I still went for it."
Ted722 wrote:
...and taken out of context. How about the rest of the story. "So last lap, I got close to James Stewart. He was a lap down...
...and taken out of context. How about the rest of the story.

"So last lap, I got close to James Stewart. He was a lap down. On the straightaway by the mechanics’ area, he actually looked back, so he saw me. I revved my bike to tell him, “I’m here, please let me by. Let me do my last lap clean.” I was behind him in the whoops. Obviously he was in the main line, and he turned really tight inside to let me by, and I was missing a little bit of speed going to the triple and I still went for it. I cased the triple, so I slowed down a lot, and then I heard him coming because he was still riding and doing his race behind me. I kind of got scared to get landed on by him. I changed lines and I got so out of control because I got scared. I was scared of getting landed on by him. Feet off the pegs, hit my chest going through the dragon back with no feet on the pegs. I was like, “There we go, I’m down. I’m crashing.” I saved it, went off the track, and I knew Chad [Reed] was behind but not that close, so let’s get safe back on the track and get second."
"I kind of got scared to get landed on by him. I changed lines and I got so out of control because I got scared. I was scared of getting landed on by him. Feet off the pegs, hit my chest going through the dragon back with no feet on the pegs"

So...because Marvin "kind of got scared to get landed on by him", and changed lines, causing him to get out of control...it's Stewarts fault? Sounds like that if Marvin had stayed on his line, everything would have been fine...but he freaked out and got into a huge tank slapper. Stews fault? How?

I know this requires some deep digging to continue to slam Stewart, especially when Marvin isn't blaming him...but I'll wait for you to regroup.
2/29/2016 3:47pm
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[b] "I kind of got scared to get landed on by him. I changed lines and I got so out of control because I got scared...
"I kind of got scared to get landed on by him. I changed lines and I got so out of control because I got scared. I was scared of getting landed on by him. Feet off the pegs, hit my chest going through the dragon back with no feet on the pegs"

So...because Marvin "kind of got scared to get landed on by him", and changed lines, causing him to get out of control...it's Stewarts fault? Sounds like that if Marvin had stayed on his line, everything would have been fine...but he freaked out and got into a huge tank slapper. Stews fault? How?

I know this requires some deep digging to continue to slam Stewart, especially when Marvin isn't blaming him...but I'll wait for you to regroup.
Why did you skip the whole part before that? What you pasted was him describing what happened after Stewart had slowed him down in the corner before which caused him to case the triple in the first place.
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Dude just because people think Stewart is in the wrong here doesn't mean they are all Stewart haters. Marvin is being overly nice in that interview...
Dude just because people think Stewart is in the wrong here doesn't mean they are all Stewart haters. Marvin is being overly nice in that interview, as he usually is... "I don't want to blame him too much" If you read between the lines he basically says that Stewart saw them but stayed in the main line, which caused him to lose speed for the triple. That seems to be what everyone else, minus the odd few in this thread, saw as well. I dunno, maybe we are asking too much to expect a guy with a Stewart avatar, or especially Lenny, to be able to form an objective opinion about a Stewart incident.
Does Marvin have to call you personally?...Read between the lines?...If Marvin wanted to say something why can't he, he told his version and you're still looking for excuses..
2/29/2016 3:53pm
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Does Marvin have to call you personally?...Read between the lines?...If Marvin wanted to say something why can't he, he told his version and you're still looking...
Does Marvin have to call you personally?...Read between the lines?...If Marvin wanted to say something why can't he, he told his version and you're still looking for excuses..
Yup, he told his version. In which he says Stewart saw him in the straight before, wouldn't get out of the way, and slowed him down for the triple. But it's to be expected that you would ignore all that part and just read what you want to see.
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2/29/2016 4:10pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2016 4:14pm
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14 pages of BS and no video of the incident? WTF is wrong with this site? https://youtu.be/lV6ZdyHqYNo?t=2m20s
14 pages of BS and no video of the incident?

WTF is wrong with this site?

https://youtu.be/lV6ZdyHqYNo?t=2m20s
Nothing new there. Same clip they showed over and over and over on the broadcast. Actually from behind, Marvin was damn fortunate that Ryan Dungey didn't land on him! That shows nothing we haven't discussed ad nauseum in the last 14-pages.

Had Marvin held his line, and ridden smart he would have gone through that section and the following corner safely. Dungey was giving him plenty of room, and wouldn't have pushed him. He knew that. As it was...he freaked out and altered his line, causing him to get out of control. Marvin made the mistake. He said it himself! End of story.

Next!
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2/29/2016 5:16pm
ImTheDude wrote:
14 pages of BS and no video of the incident? WTF is wrong with this site? https://youtu.be/lV6ZdyHqYNo?t=2m20s
14 pages of BS and no video of the incident?

WTF is wrong with this site?

https://youtu.be/lV6ZdyHqYNo?t=2m20s
davistld01 wrote:
Nothing new there. Same clip they showed over and over and over on the broadcast. Actually from behind, Marvin was damn fortunate that Ryan Dungey didn't...
Nothing new there. Same clip they showed over and over and over on the broadcast. Actually from behind, Marvin was damn fortunate that Ryan Dungey didn't land on him! That shows nothing we haven't discussed ad nauseum in the last 14-pages.

Had Marvin held his line, and ridden smart he would have gone through that section and the following corner safely. Dungey was giving him plenty of room, and wouldn't have pushed him. He knew that. As it was...he freaked out and altered his line, causing him to get out of control. Marvin made the mistake. He said it himself! End of story.

Next!
Since you seem to have all the answers, Why didnt Stewart let them by on the start straight? That is where Stewarts mistakes started.
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You know my normal deal on threads as long as this...they probably should be in the Dumbgeon by now. But rather than start a new one, I'll drop these in here.

The top shot is from a previous lap, and you can see that Marvin is using a line inside of the one that he's using in the lower photo. That corner was getting worn badly throughout the day, and was getting rebuilt nearly every chance they had.



Marvin definitely got pushed off of his preferred line, and check his front tire in the lower photo. It looks like he was right on the edge of losing the front end out of the rut.

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