Stewart did nothing wrong. Wrong place at the wrong time

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Sully22 2/27/2016 7:56pm
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Wait guys, this was not James fault at all. Marvin totally screwed up on his own over a jump he'd had no problem with. On lap 19 while leading and racing on a clear track he just cased a jump, simple as that guys. We can put this incident to rest because the guys that normally stick up for JS7 making boeheaded moves on the track have told us that this wasn't his fault either. Easy as that guys, not James fault at all...never is. put it to rest...
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djgordon21 2/27/2016 7:57pm
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This whole thread is pointless. Dunge was letting Marv win. Marv got the second he deserved Stew or no Stew.
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zehn wrote:
Steward clearly held his line, which is what you're supposed to do on a blue flag, not stop in the middle of the track. What more...
Steward clearly held his line, which is what you're supposed to do on a blue flag, not stop in the middle of the track. What more could he have done?
TDeath21 wrote:
You're supposed to move out of the way if you can. He had opportunities to do so and didn't.
zehn wrote:
He went inside-inside-inside going into a narrow 180 turn. Didn't seem to slow Dungey up very much did he?
No, he messed up Musquin..this is not about Dungey.
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Lucifa. wrote:
HOLD YOUR LINE. DO NOT MOVE LEFT OR RIGHT. KEEP YOUR SPEED.

James did just that.

No story here unless you're a typical vitard...........
TripleFive wrote:
Keep your speed.

If James would have kept his speed he wouldn't have been parked between Alessi and Friese.
looks like James kept his speed on one of the KTMs

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Xeno 2/27/2016 7:58pm
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Musquin is famous for moving over in front of other racers. He's lucky his last-lap goon ride didn't send anyone to the meat wagon.
aFACEdismembered 2/27/2016 7:58pm
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zehn wrote:
Really? You might want to check the rule book again. It's been posted here more than once. He is not required to let them by
Not defending anyone but that one section that stated you can get blacked flagged... yea, that's if you take to long to let someone by. Therefore, yes, you are expected to let them by. The duration is determined by the race officials. Take to long, get black flagged. Don't cherry pick the rulebook to support your position.
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bish153 wrote:
If James would of slowed down, Marvin still would of cased the jump...if Stewart slowed down and one of them runs into the back of him...all...
If James would of slowed down, Marvin still would of cased the jump...if Stewart slowed down and one of them runs into the back of him...all of you would be bitching about him slowing down...the worst thing he could of done is roll that section!
TripleFive wrote:
He shouldn't have slowed down in that section.

He should have let the leaders go by a few sections before that on the start straight.
They didn't throw the blue flag on him until the finish line. WTF are you talking about? Your one bitter son of a bitch! All you ever do is bitch on vital. Go hit your fucking pipe(I know it's full) eat a few twinkies & take a fucking nap. It's going to be ok.
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TDeath21 2/27/2016 8:00pm
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tprice07 wrote:
We all knew people would be on here in seconds to throw Jamesunder the bus. - Let's just forget the fact that Marvin was slipping up...
We all knew people would be on here in seconds to throw Jamesunder the bus.

- Let's just forget the fact that Marvin was slipping up in the laps leading up to this incident.
- James held his line, he DOES NOT have to slow down and let those guy by.
- Marvin slipped up, shouldn't have gone for the triple.
- Had James tucked inside, Dungey could have been the rider to go down

-- Marvin's mechanic is a class act, yelling at James. As if James is really giving a shit about impeding someone's race, The dude barely made it through that race. RedBull KTM's mechanics are really starting to come across as a bunch of cry babies, c'mon guys you are winning why are you bitching. Even last week Dungey's mechanic went and tattled on Musquin for tucking inside and rolling the finish line in practice....then they went and bitched about Canard messing up their swing arm...did Dungey's team even realize what they did to James' swingarm?

I truly believe James' injury is much more severe than he wants to believe. His balance was so far off. Anyone who has clocked their head in the wrong place has probably experienced similar events.
TDeath21 wrote:
- James held his line, he DOES NOT have to slow down and let those guy by.

This is incorrect.
zehn wrote:
Really? You might want to check the rule book again. It's been posted here more than once. He is not required to let them by
When conditions allow, move out of the fast line.

On the start straight, conditions allowed.

Immediately following the finish line, conditions allowed.

I don't know how much more clear this can be.
TbonesPop 2/27/2016 8:00pm
2/27/2016 8:00pm
usafwx wrote:
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it...
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it is now long gone, he needs to leave with what respect and dignity he has left. Come on guys, so quick some are to forget his blatant cheating through last season (IV's during outdoors, dishonesty during drug testing SX), he has an ego and its starting to be the unwinding of him.
stangkag wrote:
Stewart raced outdoors last year? Shit I missed that. You know what I didnt miss...Him winning the red bull straight rhythm this year
MEC or Redbull Straight Rhythm? IIRC, James crashed out of MEC.
UpTiTe 2/27/2016 8:01pm
2/27/2016 8:01pm
I think you guys should probably read the whole section in the rule book.

The second part of the rule clearly says to get the hell out of the way asap and don't impede the race, paraphrased of course.
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motogrady 2/27/2016 8:02pm
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zehn wrote:
Really? You might want to check the rule book again. It's been posted here more than once. He is not required to let them by
aFACEdismembered wrote:
Not defending anyone but that one section that stated you can get blacked flagged... yea, that's if you take to long to let someone by. Therefore...
Not defending anyone but that one section that stated you can get blacked flagged... yea, that's if you take to long to let someone by. Therefore, yes, you are expected to let them by. The duration is determined by the race officials. Take to long, get black flagged. Don't cherry pick the rulebook to support your position.
Well, if Stew didn't get the black flag the AMA is calling no foul.

Stew did nothing wrong officially, quit cherry picking the rules.
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usafwx wrote:
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it...
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it is now long gone, he needs to leave with what respect and dignity he has left. Come on guys, so quick some are to forget his blatant cheating through last season (IV's during outdoors, dishonesty during drug testing SX), he has an ego and its starting to be the unwinding of him.
stangkag wrote:
Stewart raced outdoors last year? Shit I missed that. You know what I didnt miss...Him winning the red bull straight rhythm this year
TbonesPop wrote:
MEC or Redbull Straight Rhythm? IIRC, James crashed out of MEC.
Good catch! I need a few more drinks to think clearly...
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jeffro503 2/27/2016 8:04pm
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bish153 wrote:
If James would of slowed down, Marvin still would of cased the jump...if Stewart slowed down and one of them runs into the back of him...all...
If James would of slowed down, Marvin still would of cased the jump...if Stewart slowed down and one of them runs into the back of him...all of you would be bitching about him slowing down...the worst thing he could of done is roll that section!
jeffro503 wrote:
Marv cleared it every single lap....clean! So WTF are you even talking about?
bish153 wrote:
Jeffro503...I'm gonna be honest you are one of the more level headed people on here and usually pretty on top of it...but I want you to...
Jeffro503...I'm gonna be honest you are one of the more level headed people on here and usually pretty on top of it...but I want you to explain to me how Stewart caused Marvin to come up short? I have jumped some of the same jumps 500,000 times and crashed on 500,001...just because Marvin jumped that jump 19 times perfectly, doesn't mean he didn't fuck up on number 20...
What I saw on the replays.....Stewart did in fact hold his lines , no question about that. The only thing is , when you are going a lap down , the best thing ( Kind of an un-written code ) is to slow up a little and let the leaders handle the race on their own. If James would of backed it down on the start strait or the whoop section , it would of given Marv the chance to pick and choose his lines to defend against RD. RD didn't say anything in his interview , but you could tell he wanted to. I think he wanted to see Marvin win that race as much as Marvin wanted it. He wasn't going to give it to him....but Marv rode 19.5 laps about perfect....until they came up to James.

That's what I saw. BUT....I also think James hasn't had much experience in situations like this and he isn't like a normal lapper. He has serious speed to run even with the leaders.

If he would of just backed it down for 1-2 seconds......RD and Marv could of just let the cards fall where they may.

my $0.02.
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rutsmash 2/27/2016 8:05pm
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zehn wrote:
How many more times do you have to watch the replays? The racing line was on the right side of the whoops, Stewart was clearly on...
How many more times do you have to watch the replays? The racing line was on the right side of the whoops, Stewart was clearly on the left side. He didn't block Marvin, he blocked Dungey, who made the pass and won.
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None . You are wrong. He was in the way for about 1.3 of a lap. How many blue flags does he need? He was racing...
None . You are wrong. He was in the way for about 1.3 of a lap. How many blue flags does he need? He was racing with the leaders. It was a punk move. Get over it.
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What was a punk move? Where should he move over? Clearly you have ever raced a day in your life!!!
The punk move is running that pace is as he is getting lapped n the FINAL lap regardless of holding his line BS.
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bish153 2/27/2016 8:06pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Marv cleared it every single lap....clean! So WTF are you even talking about?
bish153 wrote:
Jeffro503...I'm gonna be honest you are one of the more level headed people on here and usually pretty on top of it...but I want you to...
Jeffro503...I'm gonna be honest you are one of the more level headed people on here and usually pretty on top of it...but I want you to explain to me how Stewart caused Marvin to come up short? I have jumped some of the same jumps 500,000 times and crashed on 500,001...just because Marvin jumped that jump 19 times perfectly, doesn't mean he didn't fuck up on number 20...
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What I saw on the replays.....Stewart did in fact hold his lines , no question about that. The only thing is , when you are going...
What I saw on the replays.....Stewart did in fact hold his lines , no question about that. The only thing is , when you are going a lap down , the best thing ( Kind of an un-written code ) is to slow up a little and let the leaders handle the race on their own. If James would of backed it down on the start strait or the whoop section , it would of given Marv the chance to pick and choose his lines to defend against RD. RD didn't say anything in his interview , but you could tell he wanted to. I think he wanted to see Marvin win that race as much as Marvin wanted it. He wasn't going to give it to him....but Marv rode 19.5 laps about perfect....until they came up to James.

That's what I saw. BUT....I also think James hasn't had much experience in situations like this and he isn't like a normal lapper. He has serious speed to run even with the leaders.

If he would of just backed it down for 1-2 seconds......RD and Marv could of just let the cards fall where they may.

my $0.02.
Fair enough...
TripleFive 2/27/2016 8:06pm
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Juss wrote:
They didn't throw the blue flag on him until the finish line. WTF are you talking about? Your one bitter son of a bitch! All you...
They didn't throw the blue flag on him until the finish line. WTF are you talking about? Your one bitter son of a bitch! All you ever do is bitch on vital. Go hit your fucking pipe(I know it's full) eat a few twinkies & take a fucking nap. It's going to be ok.
aFACEdismembered 2/27/2016 8:07pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
I think you guys should probably read the whole section in the rule book. The second part of the rule clearly says to get the hell...
I think you guys should probably read the whole section in the rule book.

The second part of the rule clearly says to get the hell out of the way asap and don't impede the race, paraphrased of course.
"Riders disregarding the blue flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Director."

Clearly the intent is to get out of the way before being black flagged. That takes A LOT of blocking usually.
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jeffro503 2/27/2016 8:12pm
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bish153 wrote:
Jeffro503...I'm gonna be honest you are one of the more level headed people on here and usually pretty on top of it...but I want you to...
Jeffro503...I'm gonna be honest you are one of the more level headed people on here and usually pretty on top of it...but I want you to explain to me how Stewart caused Marvin to come up short? I have jumped some of the same jumps 500,000 times and crashed on 500,001...just because Marvin jumped that jump 19 times perfectly, doesn't mean he didn't fuck up on number 20...
jeffro503 wrote:
What I saw on the replays.....Stewart did in fact hold his lines , no question about that. The only thing is , when you are going...
What I saw on the replays.....Stewart did in fact hold his lines , no question about that. The only thing is , when you are going a lap down , the best thing ( Kind of an un-written code ) is to slow up a little and let the leaders handle the race on their own. If James would of backed it down on the start strait or the whoop section , it would of given Marv the chance to pick and choose his lines to defend against RD. RD didn't say anything in his interview , but you could tell he wanted to. I think he wanted to see Marvin win that race as much as Marvin wanted it. He wasn't going to give it to him....but Marv rode 19.5 laps about perfect....until they came up to James.

That's what I saw. BUT....I also think James hasn't had much experience in situations like this and he isn't like a normal lapper. He has serious speed to run even with the leaders.

If he would of just backed it down for 1-2 seconds......RD and Marv could of just let the cards fall where they may.

my $0.02.
bish153 wrote:
Fair enough...
Believe me man....I'm super pumped to see James back out there. I wish he would of let up " Just a tad " to let those two by....but ya know what...it's racing and weird things happen. And as far as anyone saying James didn't hold his line....that would be incorrect. He held them nice and strait....just going a little fast to let the leaders by. That's all.

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just.another.nickname 2/27/2016 8:12pm
2/27/2016 8:12pm
We all know this: IF the situation was reversed, James was leading Dungey and the scenario played out exactly like it did... whomever the lapper was he would be vilified. Only by James fans!

The outcome of the race isn't near as troubling as the deeper meaning here: James relegated to being a lapper who inadvertently affected the outcome of a race, by being in the wrong place at the wrong time! Ouch!
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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:12pm
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Lucifa. wrote:
HOLD YOUR LINE. DO NOT MOVE LEFT OR RIGHT. KEEP YOUR SPEED.

James did just that.

No story here unless you're a typical vitard...........
TripleFive wrote:
Keep your speed.

If James would have kept his speed he wouldn't have been parked between Alessi and Friese.
James kept his speed. 14th place speed. You know, the same speed he was at when both RD5 and MM25 caught up to him. AND HE HELD HIS LINE. Not James's problem MM25 swapped all over the place like a squid under pressure.
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kakarot 2/27/2016 8:13pm
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Xeno wrote:
Musquin is famous for moving over in front of other racers. He's lucky his last-lap goon ride didn't send anyone to the meat wagon.
Don't believe the hype,Marvin flows the track instead of straight lining from one corner to the next.He does how ever know how to take the line away in a defensive way.Imagine if James let them by and the race went all the way to checkers,could have been great.
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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:14pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
I think you guys should probably read the whole section in the rule book. The second part of the rule clearly says to get the hell...
I think you guys should probably read the whole section in the rule book.

The second part of the rule clearly says to get the hell out of the way asap and don't impede the race, paraphrased of course.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
"Riders disregarding the blue flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Director." Clearly the intent is to get out of the way before being...
"Riders disregarding the blue flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Director."

Clearly the intent is to get out of the way before being black flagged. That takes A LOT of blocking usually.
How do you get out of the way? Move left or right?
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Sargent Rock 2/27/2016 8:15pm
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usafwx wrote:
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it...
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it is now long gone, he needs to leave with what respect and dignity he has left. Come on guys, so quick some are to forget his blatant cheating through last season (IV's during outdoors, dishonesty during drug testing SX), he has an ego and its starting to be the unwinding of him.
Agreed 100%....he needs to leave the sport. Stewart fans don't want to hear about lack of ethcis from this guy, which is contradictory in my opinion.
aFACEdismembered 2/27/2016 8:18pm
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motogrady wrote:
Well, if Stew didn't get the black flag the AMA is calling no foul.

Stew did nothing wrong officially, quit cherry picking the rules.
He made an incorrect statement based on rule's HE read and I'm not seeing things transparently?

They won't penalize him. He didn't do enough to deserve a black flag. To say his presence had nothing to do with that situation though? Blue flags are a warning. It's up to the rider to assess that warning. If I saw a blue flag going in to the last lap I would want no part of what was coming behind me. Someone can chime in with the "well that's why you're not a pro" bullshit but racecraft is racecraft whether you're pro or not.
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PEPE001 2/27/2016 8:21pm
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Just back from ATL had a good view.

For the record it was Marvins fault trying to jump the triple.

Although for the record Stew should have gone out of the way.
Either up or low but not in the middle.
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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:21pm
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usafwx wrote:
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it...
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it is now long gone, he needs to leave with what respect and dignity he has left. Come on guys, so quick some are to forget his blatant cheating through last season (IV's during outdoors, dishonesty during drug testing SX), he has an ego and its starting to be the unwinding of him.
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Agreed 100%....he needs to leave the sport. Stewart fans don't want to hear about lack of ethcis from this guy, which is contradictory in my opinion.
Are you telling us you know more than his manager, mr Suzuki and James about when he should leave the sport? Let me grab some popcorn and tell us all about it.
StartedTooLate 2/27/2016 8:23pm
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Yeah he put himself in the middle of the berm fucking up Marvin's line, James wasn't battling anyone and should of moved well out of the...
Yeah he put himself in the middle of the berm fucking up Marvin's line, James wasn't battling anyone and should of moved well out of the way before that 180 turn.
Exactly. People trying to back Stew on this are only looking at the rythm section. He should have checked up in the whoops so that MM and RD had full freedom in the LH corner to race their race. Instead, he blitzes the whoops on the far left, and thus comes into the corner on the absolute left with a lot of speed. This takes him high, and he basically blocks MMs line. Even though the actual pass that RD made came 40 yards later...effectively the left hand 180 is where the pass was made..and it was 100% on Stew.

Now...comments about Stew needing to leave the sport, or being unethical are equally moronic. It was an honest mistake / brain fade. I am a huge Stew fan, but this was a big mistake on his part, nothing more. In the big scheme, not that big of a deal. No one got hurt, bummer for MM...but based on what we saw to tonight..MM will win races in the future.

I am sure Jame's ego is bruised. Perhaps this will be some motivation for him to put in the work in the next off season. I would also be surprised if James does not apologize to MM for his mistake.
TripleFive 2/27/2016 8:23pm
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Just went back and watched it again.

Weimer pulled over.

Canard pulled over.

Friese pulled over.

James, who was right ahead of Weimer, Canard, and Friese, clearly gets the blue flag, at the earliest, on the 2nd to last lap.


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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:25pm
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TripleFive wrote:
Just went back and watched it again. Weimer pulled over. Canard pulled over. Friese pulled over. James, who was right ahead of Weimer, Canard, and Friese...
Just went back and watched it again.

Weimer pulled over.

Canard pulled over.

Friese pulled over.

James, who was right ahead of Weimer, Canard, and Friese, clearly gets the blue flag, at the earliest, on the 2nd to last lap.


You must of missed my response to you or you're trying to dodge it for some reason.

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