Chase format coming 2017!

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2/23/2016 8:30pm
I hate to break you the bad news, but 2 strokes are not coming back to the forefront of professional racing any time soon.


Think about the events that led us to the 4t "revolution" for a minute: the ama not only had to give 4t's a double displacement advantage...
Think about the events that led us to the 4t "revolution" for a minute: the ama not only had to give 4t's a double displacement advantage to equal the 2t, some manufacturers had to threaten to quit the series if 2t's were allowed to compete on equal footing . The tracks were made way less rough to accommodate the "better performing" new 4t superbikes lol. When some of us bitch about two strokes, it's because the racing was better and the economics of the sport were better off before 4t ruined it, regardless of how awesome the TV coverage is.
I remember McGrath dominating a lot of races back in the 90's. He has 72 wins and in most of those he checked out by lap 3.

I don't think the racing back then was as good as some remember and I don't think it's as bad now as some think.
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2/23/2016 8:30pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2016 8:31pm
I don't like this....at all.

This isn't a sport like Nascar and it shouldn't be ran like one.

There is a reason our champion gets crowned after 17 long , grueling races......longevity. And that one champion should be rewarded for lasting those entire 17 rounds.

This makes no sense for the guys who are in it for the long haul. The entire 17 rounds.

I'm sorry , I don't mean to sound like an asshole , but this chase bullshit should have no place in this sport!
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2/23/2016 8:42pm
GAY!!!!

changing something because you have a guy who keeps dominating is like breaking up with a girl because you keep dating her for months.

this is just trying to rig the shows. trying to "make" it exciting till the end. I really hope Dungey does a perfect season next year and gets on the podium and says fuk the chase. In fact i hope dungey wins this years sx and mx and repeats again next year all the way through. In fact I hope he bests RC4's records

People are bored because ONE rider chooses to set the bar and everyone gets content sitting in 2nd.


no these are the wrong changes needed.

HOW about making the 250 class a national title and making a third class to be east west?
How about going to 3 mains with 10 laps?


Arenacross NEEDED SOMETHING becvause it had nothing. its a stand alone series running b-c level pros.


quit trying to RIG THE SYSTEM.



you know what i hope they all lose

in fact i hope every factory rider ends up broken and a FUKIN privateer wins
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2/23/2016 8:44pm
loftyair wrote:
So round 7, where the fast dudes already made it, aren't even gonna show up, and possibly get hurt!
They will show up because each win gives you a bonus point once the Chase starts. EVERY race is extremely important to ALL riders as they will all have a chance at the title as the season progresses. There will be no freight trains in a Chase format as the importance of a win is greater than in the standard format....it rewards wins like no other points system. Don't act like they are screwing with the integrity of SX. Indoor motocross was born to appeal to the masses and not just the core moto fan

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2/23/2016 8:53pm
Getndome wrote:
they better never try this shit for outdoors
Nationals are next. I asked Davey Coombs on RacerX if he was a fan of the chase and he did not respond. Not like him to not respond. The only way that this does not transfer to the nationals is if this hurts the ratings on TV and gate sales!

I bet that FELD did not get the buy in from the manufactures or riders. They will say that they are doing this to grow the support. If they want to grow the sport they would sak the fans whar they think of a chase format.

I will make another bet and say that if they were to ask every person/fan that goes through the Gates at a Supercross who is 1st 2nd and 3rd in points it would be less than 25% thew knew the answer.

Like Jeff Gordon said in an interview. We are no longer racers, we are entertainers that race.
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2/23/2016 9:06pm
So fuckin dumb. Feld doesn't get it. Seems like they care more about the Lurch yells and fireworks than history and respect for the sport.
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2/23/2016 9:13pm
This is some Bernie sanders bullshit! Everyone can win!
Honestly I don't understand why people want to level the chances of the best person winning.
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Will this possibly lead to less injuries in the early part of the season? I'm pretty surprised but up for any changes at this point. I'd prefer changes to track design. And the bikes.
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2/23/2016 9:35pm
Dumb. Makes no sense to punish someone for dominating. Dropping 2 or 3 lowest scores would be better, but I'd guess the outcome of the past championships wouldn't change much if at all.

As someone pointed out earlier, most people attending don't know or care who is leading the championship. They go for entertainment and because it's there. Doing a chase bs will not change that. Similarly, those who do know are the people who will likely watch anyways. I still watch or attend even if the championship has been decided. There is still racing for other overall positions and for the race wins.
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2/23/2016 9:54pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2016 9:55pm
TeamGreen wrote:
So, for those of you constantly complaining about how "boring" it is when the title is virtually decided in March-April... What's the down-side of having a...
So, for those of you constantly complaining about how "boring" it is when the title is virtually decided in March-April...

What's the down-side of having a "reset" with let's say...6 races to go?
Oh, and what if that reset gives everyone in the top ten (or within a certain amount of points from the leader) a chance at the title?

Let the ranting begin!
I know this has been an unpopular opinion, but I am eyes wide open to this. As a racer, it is easy to forget SX is a show. As a promoter, *consistently* having the title wrapped up 2 or so races before the season is even over is bad news for ratings and filling seats in the stadiums (especially Vegas). We can whine all we want, but the promoters need to do everything they can to make this exciting until the trophy is handed over, a chase format works.

I realize that screws over whoever (*cough* Dungey) is leading the points consistently every year, but you can bet the last two races will be a lot more fun to watch! I would still bet Dungey will just rise to the occasion like always, but he will have to work and think about it just a bit harder.
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2/23/2016 11:24pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2016 11:26pm
Ryan Dungey is in his prime, and regardless of any scheme feld concocts the odds are still in his favor. The cream always rises to the top.

If the swinging dicks at feld feel this is the right choice for "their show", then the only thing that could possibly stop it is a rider boycott. Good luck with that, here comes the chase ladies and gents!

I'm not a fan of punishing riders that put the work in throughout the off season (if we can call it that anymore) and come out swinging from the first gate drop. I will hold my breath until the format is released.
2/24/2016 12:46am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2016 12:49am
I hate to break you the bad news, but 2 strokes are not coming back to the forefront of professional racing any time soon.


Think about the events that led us to the 4t "revolution" for a minute: the ama not only had to give 4t's a double displacement advantage...
Think about the events that led us to the 4t "revolution" for a minute: the ama not only had to give 4t's a double displacement advantage to equal the 2t, some manufacturers had to threaten to quit the series if 2t's were allowed to compete on equal footing . The tracks were made way less rough to accommodate the "better performing" new 4t superbikes lol. When some of us bitch about two strokes, it's because the racing was better and the economics of the sport were better off before 4t ruined it, regardless of how awesome the TV coverage is.
I apologize for getting so off topic but I have to say this.

If you took the fastest 2 stroke rider in history on the absolute best bike, tuned to perfection on the perfect track for it, would they beat the top 4 stroke riders of today?

Would that combination beat any of the top 5 fastest riders today? I have a hard time thinking so.

2/24/2016 12:49am
Leo313 wrote:
This is some Bernie sanders bullshit! Everyone can win!
Honestly I don't understand why people want to level the chances of the best person winning.
What if I told you everyone could win if we worked collectively together to better the face of american politics and economics for the benefit of each other?


2/24/2016 1:00am
Dumbest idea ever! Every race counts with the system we got, now you're gonna have people sandbaggin during the beginning of the season
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2/24/2016 1:22am
Since guys know they can back it down a notch during the first half of the year, maybe it will reduce injury? I'm all for it if we have more healthy riders fighting for a championship at the end.
2/24/2016 1:38am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2016 1:39am
It's great for the people who buy tickets to know that their round doesn't mean as much in the championship
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2/24/2016 2:33am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2016 3:09am
I dont see anything wrong with the traditional SX format.
However,the more I think about this new format,some of the stuff may work for the better.
But I am iffy of the points reset - for obvious reasons.

Here's an old RacerX article on the format AX went to.
http://racerxonline.com/2012/11/03/the-list-new-formats
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2/24/2016 2:35am
bottom line is that the best racer will win, correct?!
nobody will be discredited, everyone knows the rules and what they will get into. who ever wants to win the game needs to adapt to the rules.

I'm ready for a change, can't get much more boring as it is right now.
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2/24/2016 3:44am
I think its a good idea. The current series is to long. With the change we get 2 series each year and hopefully 2 different "winners". SX is more entertainment than a true motorsport and is not steeped in history or tradition. I'm looking forward to it.
2/24/2016 3:48am
Make the fast guys start on the second row, that way they can work through the pack. sounds like it could work...
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2/24/2016 4:06am
Face it, it's just a gimmick to try to generate more interest and make more money.

Oh I forgot, making more money is the holy grail of America and nothing is more important.

My bad.

Anyone want to lay odds that MX will be only one moto within 5 years? More improvement........
2/24/2016 4:22am
DPR250R wrote:
First it was four strokes, then it was the permenant numbers, then live TV and now this. I just can't take it. Please bring back air...
First it was four strokes, then it was the permenant numbers, then live TV and now this. I just can't take it.

Please bring back air cooled, twin shock, run the number you earned the year before and 6 month delayed TV coverage.
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2/24/2016 4:30am
I read all the posts until Manny's tirade, and I agree with most of the logic that supports a change...for two main reasons. As an East coast resident, by the time the series gets here the field is really watered down and the championship all but decided. Many riders focused on outdoors already. A change could have a positive impact on injuries, and how they are dealt with. I don't think the week to week racing is going to suffer, nor do I see the core fans tuning out Supercross.
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2/24/2016 4:46am
JB 19 wrote:
Jody ain't gonna be happy.
Ha, aha! That's exactly what I thought, too.
2/24/2016 4:52am
MudPup545 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/02/23/125172/s1200_download.jpg[/img] Makes sense to me.:huh:

Makes sense to me.Huh
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2/24/2016 4:53am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2016 4:54am
Spartacus wrote:
Face it, it's just a gimmick to try to generate more interest and make more money. Oh I forgot, making more money is the holy grail...
Face it, it's just a gimmick to try to generate more interest and make more money.

Oh I forgot, making more money is the holy grail of America and nothing is more important.

My bad.

Anyone want to lay odds that MX will be only one moto within 5 years? More improvement........
Corporatization of the sport is to make money, not improve the sport in anyway. Be careful what you guys are wishing for. I see it already, and have for a long time. In 5 - 10 years, you won't even recognize the sport with all of the changes coming down the pipe.
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Not sure if it is a good idea. I would need to see stronger pro's vs. con's. I have no clue since I have 0 knowledge regarding nascar and how it improved/damaged the series's interest.

What could have also been a good idea is to make more racing or to attribute points through the evening. The Bercy "Course à l'américaine" is interesting to watch, lots of starts, lots of battles, a very high intensity. Still, I think that as it is, and how deep the field is, I enjoyed watching the heats and semis as much as the main !
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2/24/2016 5:02am
I have been dreading this day for the last few years because I knew Feld was going to do this. Now what I love so much about this sport is starting to go away.
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2/24/2016 5:03am
Let's just bring back REAL hay bails ,problem solved . Everything went to shit when they started using tough blocks . Sarcasm alert.

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