Just go ahead and ban start devices already.

lostboy819 12/12/2015 10:18am
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731chopper wrote:
I agree that they should ban them. It will put more skill and technique back into it.
I guess we should ban 4 strokes,long travel suspension,engine mods,knobby tires etc etc because everyone has them so it will take skill and technique again. Wink
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Hey, while your at it BAN :
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How bout gimme a break!!
X2, ban everything , ride 15 year old 2 strokes, lol.
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ML512 wrote:
All short people, like me, are saying hell no right now... :laugh: I can't sit on the seat normally and touch the ground with both feet...
All short people, like me, are saying hell no right now... Laughing I can't sit on the seat normally and touch the ground with both feet. I have to sit off the side of the bike to put a foot down...
just like in the 90s ha ha. are you one of those guys who can stand up and sit on the seat at the same time
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Holy...listen to the sound when he shifts up. Sounds like a double clutch transmission lol

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Holeshot devices, Front and/or Rear, ARE an "Equalizer".

Make the teams run standardized ECU's to accomplish the "level playing field" that you're implying.

I'm beginning to think people drink more during Silly Season.
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viking24 12/12/2015 11:34am
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I remember hearing how that Boyesen link bike design eliminated chain torque. The bike didn't squat down on starts. It was said to be like cheating how it launched off the gate.
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731chopper 12/12/2015 12:22pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
I guess we should ban 4 strokes,long travel suspension,engine mods,knobby tires etc etc because everyone has them so it will take skill and technique again. Wink
Heaven forbid someone have an opinion around here. Sad
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Oh holy hell !! I'm glad I finally asked that question haha. You don't even know how many of those things I've missed out on opening...
Oh holy hell !! I'm glad I finally asked that question haha. You don't even know how many of those things I've missed out on opening , because I had no idea what the hell I was looking at. Thank you brother!
Thanks Jeffro! Ive been in the same boat for a long time and just figured I have a junk PC, and all along Ive just been a dumb ass!!
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500guy wrote:
I'm in favor of banning them but only to keep the speed into the first corner down, a better launch and transition = faster to the...
I'm in favor of banning them but only to keep the speed into the first corner down, a better launch and transition = faster to the first corner = more carnage.

TFS always said follow the money. There is lots to be made from the devices, they won't go away anymore than after market exhaust or triple clamps.
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This is how I see it. Banning them may reduce speeds a couple of mph going into the first corner. Those couple of mph might be...
This is how I see it. Banning them may reduce speeds a couple of mph going into the first corner. Those couple of mph might be the difference between a rider brushing off a crash or being out for 3 months. I would rather see my fav rider on track, not in the booth.
Because the difference between 45 and 40 MPH is really going to make a difference....
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Ozzy wrote:
Hey, while your at it BAN :
Personal Trainers
Training Supplements
EFI
CarbonFiber
Factory Tires

How bout gimme a break!!
mxb2 wrote:
X2, ban everything , ride 15 year old 2 strokes, lol.
15? How about 25, the racing was better back then! It is alive...

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zehn 12/12/2015 3:17pm
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Where do these threads come from?
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GuyB wrote:
The photo posted was of Justin Barcia. If we're talking pro class, it's not exactly like the riders are lacking skill. As an equalizer for riders...
The photo posted was of Justin Barcia. If we're talking pro class, it's not exactly like the riders are lacking skill.

As an equalizer for riders of different height, I don't see it as an issue. At the pro level (where everyone is equally equipped), I also think it's not a big deal.

I'd suggest that electronics (and electronics tuning) are probably a bigger issue on starts than start devices. That's also a much larger can of worms.
Ha, you said "where everyone is equally equipped" Grinning
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Charper732 12/12/2015 6:35pm
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Are all the pros still running the holeshot device in the back too?
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You could also argue that riders are more under control with them. As for the "follow the money," has this ever been regulated? Where would you...
You could also argue that riders are more under control with them.

As for the "follow the money," has this ever been regulated? Where would you follow the money?
The follow the money comment wasn't a dig at anyone, I'm just saying it's something that is a revenue builder, the people selling them will lobby for them to stay.

I have no data saying it's safer or more dangerous, I just think more guy's going faster into the first corner could possibly be more dangerous.
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There is no advantage if everyone has them, the only variation now is down to reaction time and whatever minute differences there are in traction. So all they do is increase the speeds to the first turn.

It's literally hold it matted and drop the clutch. And with these rear devices too there are no worries about wheelies etc... WTF is the point?!
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Crush 12/12/2015 7:03pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Oh holy hell !! I'm glad I finally asked that question haha. You don't even know how many of those things I've missed out on opening...
Oh holy hell !! I'm glad I finally asked that question haha. You don't even know how many of those things I've missed out on opening , because I had no idea what the hell I was looking at. Thank you brother!
Yeah I don't know why, sometimes I embed instagram posts and they come up fine and the exact same way for another won't... weird.
TheGetFresh 12/12/2015 7:04pm
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Ya'll have made it a habit of going full retard
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zehn 12/12/2015 7:11pm
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Ya'll have made it a habit of going full retard
No shit, Vital's default solution to any "problem" it perceives is to simply ban the thing.

Like shitty parenting

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Jrewing 12/12/2015 7:17pm
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Yep piss them off... We don't need it... It's going too far. Rev it let go- wow such skill................…!
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zehn 12/12/2015 7:20pm
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I'd love to see some of you jump on Barcia's bike and pull a holeshot in a pro race because "it takes no skill now"
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colintrax 12/12/2015 7:31pm
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zehn wrote:
I'd love to see some of you jump on Barcia's bike and pull a holeshot in a pro race because "it takes no skill now"
At 130 lbs I'll be pulling holeshots on that bike all day long. And by turn 2 I'll be pulling up the rear lol
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Crush 12/12/2015 8:24pm
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TheGetFresh wrote:
Ya'll have made it a habit of going full retard
zehn wrote:
No shit, Vital's default solution to any "problem" it perceives is to simply ban the thing.

Like shitty parenting
What benefit do they pose if everyone has them!?! Someone? Anyone? You can say it's retarded to ban it but what's the justification for them with no benefit...

Like it or not, it was harder to get good consistent starts without them, let alone efi start modes etc...
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Lightning78 12/12/2015 8:47pm
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BobPA wrote:
How? If everyone is using them the playing field is level...
731chopper wrote:
Because it takes more skill to start unassisted.
I agree wholeheartedly on the start device issue but it's like many other things of the last 10+ years that it been introducing the motocross market it seems that bike to become easier to ride fasten ever almost the fact that someone with a much lesser skill can still go a lot faster than they should be going know I'm no pro but this is with regard to how many boys are seen be riddled with injuries just from going faster than they should've been and I'm not going to go off on a rant but I think for strokes and fuel injection have made riders a lot lazier the one thing I really like about two strokes and I will stand alone on this because I'm not gonna tell you that I am in all world heating for stroke die but I do love my two strokes and will continue riding strictly 2 strokes only one thing I love about the 2 stroke is that isn't only allows you to go as fast as your talent will allow you to go, you can't override a two-stroke unless it's a 500 lol that's what I like about them it takes skill it's a constant challenge when I get on a four stroke especially a 450 I'm bored within a couple laps there's no excitement no skill or talent to finesse the bike you just pointed and get gas and it goes it goes with out any effort and I find myself taking my mind off the riding while in the saddle more because it's become almost like a riding a sportbike feel on a 4 stroke when on the track
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tvo314 12/12/2015 9:11pm
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To me, it's a shame that the art of a well executed start is reduced to this. I was always amazed at the control and technique top pros showed on their starts. Oh well, at least 99% of the race after the start still requires insane skill.
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WhipMeister 12/12/2015 9:15pm
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newmann wrote:
15? How about 25, the racing was better back then! It is alive...

Hey! That's my bike!
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Ozzy wrote:
Hey, while your at it BAN :
Personal Trainers
Training Supplements
EFI
CarbonFiber
Factory Tires

How bout gimme a break!!
mxb2 wrote:
X2, ban everything , ride 15 year old 2 strokes, lol.
newmann wrote:
15? How about 25, the racing was better back then! It is alive...

Dry Dry
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WhipMeister 12/12/2015 9:16pm
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Crush wrote:
There is no advantage if everyone has them, the only variation now is down to reaction time and whatever minute differences there are in traction. So...
There is no advantage if everyone has them, the only variation now is down to reaction time and whatever minute differences there are in traction. So all they do is increase the speeds to the first turn.

It's literally hold it matted and drop the clutch. And with these rear devices too there are no worries about wheelies etc... WTF is the point?!
If there's no advantage, what's the big deal?
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Flip109 12/12/2015 9:20pm
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ML512 wrote:
All short people, like me, are saying hell no right now... :laugh: I can't sit on the seat normally and touch the ground with both feet...
All short people, like me, are saying hell no right now... Laughing I can't sit on the seat normally and touch the ground with both feet. I have to sit off the side of the bike to put a foot down...
This lol
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Oh holy hell !! I'm glad I finally asked that question haha. You don't even know how many of those things I've missed out on opening...
Oh holy hell !! I'm glad I finally asked that question haha. You don't even know how many of those things I've missed out on opening , because I had no idea what the hell I was looking at. Thank you brother!
I'm glad you asked to, I was having the same problem. I thought it was my pop up blocker doing it.
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kiwifan 12/12/2015 9:32pm
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DL wrote:
The electronic controls that top level teams have access to have way more impact on starts than a starting device. They are infinitely adjustable and the...
The electronic controls that top level teams have access to have way more impact on starts than a starting device. They are infinitely adjustable and the teams that have a dedicated person that gets it have a big advantage.
^^^ this

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