Why can't Women go as fast as men?

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7/4/2015 10:08am
yzjs7 wrote:
We're wired differently,hunters and gatherers man. It's dna
Women have played a pivotal role in the hunters and gatherers niche for many millions of years. Err, I mean, God created women to make sammiches 10,000 years ago.
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When you are a little girl, you are valued for how pretty you are, you are compared to/called a princess, you receive tea sets and easy bake ovens as presents, dresses are marketed to you, pink is marketed to you, barbies and dollies are marketed to you. When you are a little boy, you are valued for your abilities, you are expected to rough house and scrape your knees, bikes are marketed to you, supersoakers are marketed to you, skateboards and tonka trucks and hot wheels are all marketed to you.

When children receive attention in certain areas, it encourages expansion in the areas they are receiving praise in, and when a child is exposed frequently to an idea or subject, it inspires interest for that subject in them. Inherently, we teach girls to be concerned about being pretty, to be interested in fashion and host parties and take care of children; at the same time we are teaching little boys to construct things, to experiment with physics, to get their hands dirty and learn coordination through bikes or skateboards. Those that break that mould are condemned for it.

I was a wild child; my parents couldn't keep clothes on me, I climbed trees and ripped my clothes, rode bikes, chased horses in the pasture, and got as filthy as I could. By grade four I had broken my wrists three times from riding horses and snowboarding, and one particularly rowdy game of hide and seek. My parents encouraged my exploration of the world around me, but they were chastised for it by my friends' parents because my best friends were boys- because I was expected to be a little lady, and these rambunctious activities diverged from that idea of what people thought little girls should be. Pink, pretty, clean. Consider the opposite, where we humiliate little boys for showing an interest in traditionally female oriented subjects.

Because being girly is being weak. Because being scared is being a pussy. Because any traditionally female characteristic comes with a negative connotation.

I believe this mentality has had a negative effect on men aswell, But to stay on topic I will leave that out.

When support for women in the sport increases, lap times will shrink. We are already seeing a generational shift away from toys marketed to one gender in particular, and I am a huge supporter of this movement. There is a new generation of girls being brought up in sports, and I truly believe that the gap between men and women in professional extreme sports is going to shrink. We have already witnessed it in skiing and skateboarding, which are really the only other sports that I care about, and this is due to support from the community, from men in the sport, and from our families. Oh, and supporting other women in the sport. Cause being bitches is the most detrimental thing we can do to eachother.

Here is a photo of me with my besties just to support my earlier paragraph.


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Upper body strength, plain and simple. Females dont have the muscle density that males have. When I was in the military, the biggest baddest chick (seriously looked like she was on roids) could only do maybe 5 pullups, where even the most average, scrawny looking dude could gget 10 or so
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Better question would be why there aren't 40 guys at a SX that can beat a girl. She could have qualified in either class several times.
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I think it's a combination of statistics and testosterone. If there were the same amount of male and female riders, I think the gap would be closer at the top.

On the other side, I don't think women are as intense as men in general. Women are smart, and smart doesn't twist the throttle that hard.
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Testosterone.

The performances of the best women athletes are about equal to the best performances of pre pubescent boys.
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7/4/2015 11:05am
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Percentile. There are very few women who ride, let alone at a competitive level. I would imagine there are some women on this fine earth that...
Percentile. There are very few women who ride, let alone at a competitive level. I would imagine there are some women on this fine earth that would have the genetics and ability to ride pro and hang with the men....but they don't ride. Make sense?

On an amateur level I have witnessed some very fast girls and am not ashamed to say I have been passed by some as well!
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This..... If the Williams sisters father started training them in MX instead of tennis at 5-6 years old Serena would have been making SX mains and...
This..... If the Williams sisters father started training them in MX instead of tennis at 5-6 years old Serena would have been making SX mains and consistant top 20 in pro MX.

Thats just one example.
Example of what? Your speculating skills? Using your 'example', why doesn't she compete with the men in her own sport?
7/4/2015 11:06am
UNPOPULAR OPINION When you are a little girl, you are valued for how pretty you are, you are compared to/called a princess, you receive tea sets...
UNPOPULAR OPINION

When you are a little girl, you are valued for how pretty you are, you are compared to/called a princess, you receive tea sets and easy bake ovens as presents, dresses are marketed to you, pink is marketed to you, barbies and dollies are marketed to you. When you are a little boy, you are valued for your abilities, you are expected to rough house and scrape your knees, bikes are marketed to you, supersoakers are marketed to you, skateboards and tonka trucks and hot wheels are all marketed to you.

When children receive attention in certain areas, it encourages expansion in the areas they are receiving praise in, and when a child is exposed frequently to an idea or subject, it inspires interest for that subject in them. Inherently, we teach girls to be concerned about being pretty, to be interested in fashion and host parties and take care of children; at the same time we are teaching little boys to construct things, to experiment with physics, to get their hands dirty and learn coordination through bikes or skateboards. Those that break that mould are condemned for it.

I was a wild child; my parents couldn't keep clothes on me, I climbed trees and ripped my clothes, rode bikes, chased horses in the pasture, and got as filthy as I could. By grade four I had broken my wrists three times from riding horses and snowboarding, and one particularly rowdy game of hide and seek. My parents encouraged my exploration of the world around me, but they were chastised for it by my friends' parents because my best friends were boys- because I was expected to be a little lady, and these rambunctious activities diverged from that idea of what people thought little girls should be. Pink, pretty, clean. Consider the opposite, where we humiliate little boys for showing an interest in traditionally female oriented subjects.

Because being girly is being weak. Because being scared is being a pussy. Because any traditionally female characteristic comes with a negative connotation.

I believe this mentality has had a negative effect on men aswell, But to stay on topic I will leave that out.

When support for women in the sport increases, lap times will shrink. We are already seeing a generational shift away from toys marketed to one gender in particular, and I am a huge supporter of this movement. There is a new generation of girls being brought up in sports, and I truly believe that the gap between men and women in professional extreme sports is going to shrink. We have already witnessed it in skiing and skateboarding, which are really the only other sports that I care about, and this is due to support from the community, from men in the sport, and from our families. Oh, and supporting other women in the sport. Cause being bitches is the most detrimental thing we can do to eachother.

Here is a photo of me with my besties just to support my earlier paragraph.


Each to their own but I don't agree.



I do think it's absolutely fantastic that the sport is growing amongst women though, and that it should be encouraged.
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UNPOPULAR OPINION When you are a little girl, you are valued for how pretty you are, you are compared to/called a princess, you receive tea sets...
UNPOPULAR OPINION

When you are a little girl, you are valued for how pretty you are, you are compared to/called a princess, you receive tea sets and easy bake ovens as presents, dresses are marketed to you, pink is marketed to you, barbies and dollies are marketed to you. When you are a little boy, you are valued for your abilities, you are expected to rough house and scrape your knees, bikes are marketed to you, supersoakers are marketed to you, skateboards and tonka trucks and hot wheels are all marketed to you.

When children receive attention in certain areas, it encourages expansion in the areas they are receiving praise in, and when a child is exposed frequently to an idea or subject, it inspires interest for that subject in them. Inherently, we teach girls to be concerned about being pretty, to be interested in fashion and host parties and take care of children; at the same time we are teaching little boys to construct things, to experiment with physics, to get their hands dirty and learn coordination through bikes or skateboards. Those that break that mould are condemned for it.

I was a wild child; my parents couldn't keep clothes on me, I climbed trees and ripped my clothes, rode bikes, chased horses in the pasture, and got as filthy as I could. By grade four I had broken my wrists three times from riding horses and snowboarding, and one particularly rowdy game of hide and seek. My parents encouraged my exploration of the world around me, but they were chastised for it by my friends' parents because my best friends were boys- because I was expected to be a little lady, and these rambunctious activities diverged from that idea of what people thought little girls should be. Pink, pretty, clean. Consider the opposite, where we humiliate little boys for showing an interest in traditionally female oriented subjects.

Because being girly is being weak. Because being scared is being a pussy. Because any traditionally female characteristic comes with a negative connotation.

I believe this mentality has had a negative effect on men aswell, But to stay on topic I will leave that out.

When support for women in the sport increases, lap times will shrink. We are already seeing a generational shift away from toys marketed to one gender in particular, and I am a huge supporter of this movement. There is a new generation of girls being brought up in sports, and I truly believe that the gap between men and women in professional extreme sports is going to shrink. We have already witnessed it in skiing and skateboarding, which are really the only other sports that I care about, and this is due to support from the community, from men in the sport, and from our families. Oh, and supporting other women in the sport. Cause being bitches is the most detrimental thing we can do to eachother.

Here is a photo of me with my besties just to support my earlier paragraph.


Each to their own but I don't agree. [embed] https://youtu.be/R_xSZ0HXiIU [/embed] I do think it's absolutely fantastic that the sport is growing amongst women though, and...
Each to their own but I don't agree.



I do think it's absolutely fantastic that the sport is growing amongst women though, and that it should be encouraged.
I think being a woman, and a woman in a steel trade, I can say that indeed these things have an effect on our psyche. Because I've experienced it first hand. If you've never had a shitty day at work and been told to "go change your tampon" then you don't know the feeling. Because dudes can throw a fit but if I close a toolbox too hard or stop smiling it's obviously shark week.
That idiot in the video quotes Wikipedia too many times for me to think he really did his research, and his obvious hatred for women makes me think his mommy didn't hold him enough as a baby. His final thought to "take it like a man" ties into my italicized mention in my first post, the part I said I wasn't gonna get into because it's irrelevant to this topic.
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7/4/2015 11:52am
yzjs7 wrote:
We're wired differently,hunters and gatherers man. It's dna
Careful there raining yellow. In this day in age of political correctness and extreme sensitivity, the truth just isn't fashionable.
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7/4/2015 12:04pm
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stupid people are so entertaining!
crusty_xx wrote:
go ahead and explain it then.
idiot
hammertime wrote:
just watch vicki golden attack the physical sections of a sx track and your stupid question will be answered!
I watched her attack the physical sections and your point is ??? She was still slower then all but 4 or 5 guys at each round.
7/4/2015 12:21pm
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Women arent nearly as strong as men plus the difference in mentality. i Seen a chick at Fast Farms once that was a dyke, mid thirtys...
Women arent nearly as strong as men plus the difference in mentality. i Seen a chick at Fast Farms once that was a dyke, mid thirtys and well build like a man and she was super fast! Rode with her brother who races GNCC but she was well rounded mx rider. Back when FF was getting started i guess about 09 is when i met her. She was skimin the 10 commandments on a early 200 yamaha with a huge fuel tank like a boss. Everyone else was triple thru and just skim the last few and most riders just doubled thru them! She was impressive
Sounds like a hell of a dyke.
7/4/2015 12:31pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2015 12:32pm
I think being a woman, and a woman in a steel trade, I can say that indeed these things have an effect on our psyche. Because...
I think being a woman, and a woman in a steel trade, I can say that indeed these things have an effect on our psyche. Because I've experienced it first hand. If you've never had a shitty day at work and been told to "go change your tampon" then you don't know the feeling. Because dudes can throw a fit but if I close a toolbox too hard or stop smiling it's obviously shark week.
That idiot in the video quotes Wikipedia too many times for me to think he really did his research, and his obvious hatred for women makes me think his mommy didn't hold him enough as a baby. His final thought to "take it like a man" ties into my italicized mention in my first post, the part I said I wasn't gonna get into because it's irrelevant to this topic.
The guy who made the vid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Mason aka Thunderfoot . He's infamous among the feminist who rather try and destroy his career instead of coming up with logical counter arguments. Not that I agree with everything he says either, but he tends to be right on the money (of course imo) when dealing with the feminazis.

If you've never had a shitty day at work and been told to "go change your tampon" then you don't know the feeling

I'm sure that isn't very nice and I don't agree with treating anyone like crap. But I have no doubt that more often than not it's a case of men verbally abusing other men and treating each other like sh#t. Most of my jobs have been unskilled labour / working class, and for the few women you get in that sort of environment, Iv'e never once seen the above behaviour (speaking from my country and personal experience of course). However if you're a male... then watch out! Men abuse each other verbally all the time. It isn't right but it's the reality.
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UNPOPULAR OPINION When you are a little girl, you are valued for how pretty you are, you are compared to/called a princess, you receive tea sets...
UNPOPULAR OPINION

When you are a little girl, you are valued for how pretty you are, you are compared to/called a princess, you receive tea sets and easy bake ovens as presents, dresses are marketed to you, pink is marketed to you, barbies and dollies are marketed to you. When you are a little boy, you are valued for your abilities, you are expected to rough house and scrape your knees, bikes are marketed to you, supersoakers are marketed to you, skateboards and tonka trucks and hot wheels are all marketed to you.

When children receive attention in certain areas, it encourages expansion in the areas they are receiving praise in, and when a child is exposed frequently to an idea or subject, it inspires interest for that subject in them. Inherently, we teach girls to be concerned about being pretty, to be interested in fashion and host parties and take care of children; at the same time we are teaching little boys to construct things, to experiment with physics, to get their hands dirty and learn coordination through bikes or skateboards. Those that break that mould are condemned for it.

I was a wild child; my parents couldn't keep clothes on me, I climbed trees and ripped my clothes, rode bikes, chased horses in the pasture, and got as filthy as I could. By grade four I had broken my wrists three times from riding horses and snowboarding, and one particularly rowdy game of hide and seek. My parents encouraged my exploration of the world around me, but they were chastised for it by my friends' parents because my best friends were boys- because I was expected to be a little lady, and these rambunctious activities diverged from that idea of what people thought little girls should be. Pink, pretty, clean. Consider the opposite, where we humiliate little boys for showing an interest in traditionally female oriented subjects.

Because being girly is being weak. Because being scared is being a pussy. Because any traditionally female characteristic comes with a negative connotation.

I believe this mentality has had a negative effect on men aswell, But to stay on topic I will leave that out.

When support for women in the sport increases, lap times will shrink. We are already seeing a generational shift away from toys marketed to one gender in particular, and I am a huge supporter of this movement. There is a new generation of girls being brought up in sports, and I truly believe that the gap between men and women in professional extreme sports is going to shrink. We have already witnessed it in skiing and skateboarding, which are really the only other sports that I care about, and this is due to support from the community, from men in the sport, and from our families. Oh, and supporting other women in the sport. Cause being bitches is the most detrimental thing we can do to eachother.

Here is a photo of me with my besties just to support my earlier paragraph.


What is it with hide and seek? I broke my wrist playing that too! Grinning
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I think it's the same reason that women aren't better in any sports. I don't mean that to be a dick: I think that's a fact.
pCp 252 wrote:
Gymnastics, figure skating, swimming, skiing? Lot's of impressive, elite female athletes out there.
Still doesn't get away from the fact that he was right though. Even in the sports you mentioned men are better. Man I wish everyone would get over this pc bullshit and being offended over everything.
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7/4/2015 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2015 12:52pm
I think it's the same reason that women aren't better in any sports. I don't mean that to be a dick: I think that's a fact.
pCp 252 wrote:
Gymnastics, figure skating, swimming, skiing? Lot's of impressive, elite female athletes out there.
Still doesn't get away from the fact that he was right though. Even in the sports you mentioned men are better. Man I wish everyone would...
Still doesn't get away from the fact that he was right though. Even in the sports you mentioned men are better. Man I wish everyone would get over this pc bullshit and being offended over everything.
Its not so much about men being better, just an inquiry as to why there are not more competitive women in MX. There is a plethora of highly competitive, world-class, elite gymnasts who are females. Gymnastics is one of the most physically demanding sporting disciplines a person can partake in. It doesn't take a sociologist to infer some conclusion from that comparison.

That being said, I think in regards to the OP question, once you get to the elite level the genetic differences between the sexes is the deciding factor. That's just a guess because I have no way of knowing how strong elite athletes are at the very top level, but it seems logical to conclude that if there are two top-level athletes, one male and one female, that the limitations of human bodies are going to make a considerable difference. That doesn't apply to the local track though, which is why I think the socialization of a sport like motocross does have a very large impact on participation, and therefore progression of skill.
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I honestly do not know. You cannot say it is strength because the majority of lower teir MXers are about as strong as a badminton player. I am sure Vickie Golden could beat the crap out of 90% of the National field

Maybe it's the hooters throwing them off balance
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stupid people are so entertaining!
crusty_xx wrote:
go ahead and explain it then.
idiot
hammertime wrote:
just watch vicki golden attack the physical sections of a sx track and your stupid question will be answered!
I was at the Vegas Supercross in front of the whoops and Ms. Golden rolled them every lap. The whoops were the biggest separator between her and the folks who made the main event.

I believe women should be able to compete in the pinnacle of any sport. We are human first. That said, I do not see a woman who is PED free compete with the Aaron Rodgers', Eli Tomac's, Messi's, Lebron Jame's, and JJ Watts of the world.
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I honestly do not know. You cannot say it is strength because the majority of lower teir MXers are about as strong as a badminton player...
I honestly do not know. You cannot say it is strength because the majority of lower teir MXers are about as strong as a badminton player. I am sure Vickie Golden could beat the crap out of 90% of the National field

Maybe it's the hooters throwing them off balance
90%? I would take that bet. When has a woman qualified for a National?
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Women can inject balls. Maybe more women have the smarts to see its a losing game in the end.

Hammer, Vick Golden is more yoked than 90% of Men Pros.
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7/4/2015 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2015 2:59pm
I had to break it down for a feminist type lady who happened to be a huge fan of the Olympics about the irony of that, being that if women were treated equally and weren't segregated from the men there would be no such thing as women in the Olympics.


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I think being a woman, and a woman in a steel trade, I can say that indeed these things have an effect on our psyche. Because...
I think being a woman, and a woman in a steel trade, I can say that indeed these things have an effect on our psyche. Because I've experienced it first hand. If you've never had a shitty day at work and been told to "go change your tampon" then you don't know the feeling. Because dudes can throw a fit but if I close a toolbox too hard or stop smiling it's obviously shark week.
That idiot in the video quotes Wikipedia too many times for me to think he really did his research, and his obvious hatred for women makes me think his mommy didn't hold him enough as a baby. His final thought to "take it like a man" ties into my italicized mention in my first post, the part I said I wasn't gonna get into because it's irrelevant to this topic.
The guy who made the vid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Mason aka Thunderfoot . He's infamous among the feminist who rather try and destroy his career instead of coming up...
The guy who made the vid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Mason aka Thunderfoot . He's infamous among the feminist who rather try and destroy his career instead of coming up with logical counter arguments. Not that I agree with everything he says either, but he tends to be right on the money (of course imo) when dealing with the feminazis.

If you've never had a shitty day at work and been told to "go change your tampon" then you don't know the feeling

I'm sure that isn't very nice and I don't agree with treating anyone like crap. But I have no doubt that more often than not it's a case of men verbally abusing other men and treating each other like sh#t. Most of my jobs have been unskilled labour / working class, and for the few women you get in that sort of environment, Iv'e never once seen the above behaviour (speaking from my country and personal experience of course). However if you're a male... then watch out! Men abuse each other verbally all the time. It isn't right but it's the reality.
As always with these stupid threads, this is extremely off topic. If you don't agree that's fine but that dudes lack of perspective and empathy is annoying. Just because someone has a popular opinion does not make them credible.
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Ever watch men's snowboarding half pipe and then watched the women's half pipe? It's not even close as to what the guys are doing compared to the ladies.
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stupid people are so entertaining!
Hahahahahhahahahah
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KennyT wrote:
I honestly do not know. You cannot say it is strength because the majority of lower teir MXers are about as strong as a badminton player...
I honestly do not know. You cannot say it is strength because the majority of lower teir MXers are about as strong as a badminton player. I am sure Vickie Golden could beat the crap out of 90% of the National field

Maybe it's the hooters throwing them off balance
bd wrote:
90%? I would take that bet. When has a woman qualified for a National?
Well that is what we are discussing here. Why aren't they as fast in a sport that requires a lot of finess and not brute strength. Look at how fast Jason Lawrence can ride a bike before drugs got in the way. He was arguably one of the faster riders in the world and yet a middle school football player would kick the living shit out of him.

Thwre are 8 year olds on minis that can smoke the strongest of men on 450's yet they are not strong enough to open a jar of pickles. It has nothing to do with strength.

It is a finess sport that uses motorized vehicles. No logical reason the girls are not as fast as guys at the top level
7/4/2015 2:53pm
A lot of it really is a numbers game, as stated. This is just how motocross is: instead of asking why the top women are 5 seconds a lap off the slowest male pros, you could just as easily ask why the slowest male pros are 5 seconds a lap off the fastest male pros. The answer isn't muscles, it's not balls, and it's not "wanting it." It's 5-10 very special individuals out of thousands. Narrow the pool of potentials from a thousand down to a dozen and see how many Bubbas are hiding there.

I'd also guess that the number of lifetime practice hours is considerably lower for these women. And like RupertX said in a previous men vs. women thread, those thousands of boys are racing each other--the average ones are able to race the fast ones and get faster. If the already diminutive club of female motocrossers is left to play amongst themselves, their development will lag behind.

All that said, it's not easy to imagine a woman riding like Eli Tomac...

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