Looks like Stewart is in for last two Nationals.

patrickadizzle 6/6/2015 7:19am
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Sully wrote:
People who don't read make me sad... "That said, he still has to be careful because I heard even practicing or training on a dirt bike...
People who don't read make me sad...


"That said, he still has to be careful because I heard even practicing or training on a dirt bike at home could raise the ire of WADA types, which also kind of gives you an idea of how their rules don't really make sense for this sport." - Weigant

http://racerxonline.com/2015/05/08/racerhead-19
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Thank you, I just found the article to post it. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/06/05/93752/s1200_Screen_Shot_2015_06_06_at_2.33.43_AM.jpg[/img]
Thank you, I just found the article to post it.


You sure have a weird way of interpreting. "Raise the Ire" does not mean violation of the rules. Upset or Anger would be a better interpretation - but not against the rules. If there were any inkling of truth to your statement, we would have heard about it when he competed @ the Red Bull Straight Rhythm.
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Thank God, dude brings excitement.
ButteryWaffles 6/6/2015 8:03am
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HuskyEd wrote:
This is sarcasm, right?

There's been a ton of photos of him scrubbing jumps at home on Instagram all year long.
ButteryWaffles wrote:
Read it in a RacerX article around the time the appeal was denied. Weege wrote it, I just dont remember if it was in racerhead or...
Read it in a RacerX article around the time the appeal was denied. Weege wrote it, I just dont remember if it was in racerhead or a redux.
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God ur an idiot
How so? You can't even type out complete sentences.

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ButteryWaffles wrote:
I read that even riding at his house can violate his suspension. If that's true, he'll be coming in with 0 prep.
jevyguy wrote:
That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.
Come on, dude. You've been here a while. I guarantee you've heard more retarded things than that.
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Detroit Dick 6/6/2015 8:21am
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The utterly absurd nature of f*ckwada's handling of this entire case makes anything possible. At this point I'd not be surprised if they suspended Dungey for eating a PBJ in the pits and therefore endangering anyone with and allergy to nuts. I'm all for a level playing field but those wada folks gotta go. Regardless of AMA or Felt's need for "international" cred WADA has no business having any power over U.S. Motocross or SX. Just my NSHO...
ButteryWaffles 6/6/2015 8:23am
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Moto75 wrote:
You sure have a weird way of interpreting. "Raise the Ire" does not mean violation of the rules. Upset or Anger would be a better interpretation...
You sure have a weird way of interpreting. "Raise the Ire" does not mean violation of the rules. Upset or Anger would be a better interpretation - but not against the rules. If there were any inkling of truth to your statement, we would have heard about it when he competed @ the Red Bull Straight Rhythm.
Not necessarily. Straight rhythm was the last event he raced before any more info on his suspension was released. He was scheduled to race the MEC right up until the day of when he was told that THAT violates the terms set by the FIM.


I suppose I did interpret what was typed in the wrong way, but it was not very far off from what I had said had been reported considering that people were assuming that the FIM was "butt hurt" that Stewart raced the nationals during his provisional suspension which they said was the cause of the lengthy ban. Not sure why grown men on here are getting so upset about an article that I had posted to back up a single sentence that I had written. I won't lose any sleep over but shit, your social lives must suck if that gets you all worked up.

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The very idea that any sanctioning body would be able to tell you that you cannot PRACTICE anything on your own private property is the height...
The very idea that any sanctioning body would be able to tell you that you cannot PRACTICE anything on your own private property is the height of absurdity. Would the FIM also be able to tell him he cannot PRACTICE on anyone else's private property? What if Stewart had been handed down a "lifetime" ban from racing? Would he then be banned for LIFE for ever riding again on his or anyone else's property? Think people.

If the FIM even TRIED to tell Stewart or anyone else they could not PRACTICE on their own property, they would probably face a legitimate lawsuit that would potentially be very, very large.
I read your post and while I agree with the concept I began to wonder "what if"? What if it were Jeremy Martin, could they tell him that he cannot practice at their "family owned" "private property" track? What if he was practicing (play riding) while other pro riders were on the track? Would that be considered "training for competition?"
And before you answer that the Martin's track is a business, you have to believe that the Stewart track is just as much as a business as the Martin's track. Anything that is related to the advancement of the JS7 brand is a business, and you can bet your last dollar that any expenses associated with the track are used as business deductions on their taxes.
Gets kind of confusing when you start to think of the "what ifs"
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We're sitting in here, and Stew supposed to be the fmotp, and we in here talking about practice. I mean, listen, we're talking about practice, not a race, not a race, not a race , we talking about practice man. What are we talking about? Practice? We're talking about practice, man.
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pilotdude wrote:
The very idea that any sanctioning body would be able to tell you that you cannot PRACTICE anything on your own private property is the height...
The very idea that any sanctioning body would be able to tell you that you cannot PRACTICE anything on your own private property is the height of absurdity. Would the FIM also be able to tell him he cannot PRACTICE on anyone else's private property? What if Stewart had been handed down a "lifetime" ban from racing? Would he then be banned for LIFE for ever riding again on his or anyone else's property? Think people.

If the FIM even TRIED to tell Stewart or anyone else they could not PRACTICE on their own property, they would probably face a legitimate lawsuit that would potentially be very, very large.
ToolMaker wrote:
I read your post and while I agree with the concept I began to wonder "what if"? What if it were Jeremy Martin, could they tell...
I read your post and while I agree with the concept I began to wonder "what if"? What if it were Jeremy Martin, could they tell him that he cannot practice at their "family owned" "private property" track? What if he was practicing (play riding) while other pro riders were on the track? Would that be considered "training for competition?"
And before you answer that the Martin's track is a business, you have to believe that the Stewart track is just as much as a business as the Martin's track. Anything that is related to the advancement of the JS7 brand is a business, and you can bet your last dollar that any expenses associated with the track are used as business deductions on their taxes.
Gets kind of confusing when you start to think of the "what ifs"
TM
Both you guys made awesome points here.

I will say though , isn't the suspension for " Competition only " ? Just thinking that WADA or any governing body could try and put a stop to a guy " Practicing " , kind of makes my blood boil !!

Lance Armstrong couldn't ever compete again , but that didn't stop him from riding his bike ever day.And he was nailed with things that were 10 X more cheat worthy that James ever did.

I find this a bit funny / odd , that the suspension is just about over with , and then stupid shit like this comes up. I mean really? C'mon! James has been practicing since his suspension started ( which he has every right to do ) , and to even think that some governing body could tell him if he could / couldn't ? Tell them dipshits to pound sand!

I can say this too , if a governing body or whatever keeps poking the bear and trying to use American riders as a test dummy to see how far they can push , I wouldn't doubt that they'll get kicked to the curb sooner or later from any and all US series.

I was all for blood testing at first , but this whole fiasco has left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't like people trying to fuck up our sport!
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davistld01 wrote:
Come on, dude. You've been here a while. I guarantee you've heard more retarded things than that.
Yeah...good point
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ButteryWaffles wrote:
Not necessarily. Straight rhythm was the last event he raced before any more info on his suspension was released. He was scheduled to race the MEC...
Not necessarily. Straight rhythm was the last event he raced before any more info on his suspension was released. He was scheduled to race the MEC right up until the day of when he was told that THAT violates the terms set by the FIM.


I suppose I did interpret what was typed in the wrong way, but it was not very far off from what I had said had been reported considering that people were assuming that the FIM was "butt hurt" that Stewart raced the nationals during his provisional suspension which they said was the cause of the lengthy ban. Not sure why grown men on here are getting so upset about an article that I had posted to back up a single sentence that I had written. I won't lose any sleep over but shit, your social lives must suck if that gets you all worked up.

Yes, but the Monster Energy Cup is run by Feld, which is in bed with the FIM.
MANNERS226 6/6/2015 7:13pm
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He will race. Who sits out for a year while healthy and doesn't want to race....
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Detroit Dick wrote:
The utterly absurd nature of f*ckwada's handling of this entire case makes anything possible. At this point I'd not be surprised if they suspended Dungey for...
The utterly absurd nature of f*ckwada's handling of this entire case makes anything possible. At this point I'd not be surprised if they suspended Dungey for eating a PBJ in the pits and therefore endangering anyone with and allergy to nuts. I'm all for a level playing field but those wada folks gotta go. Regardless of AMA or Felt's need for "international" cred WADA has no business having any power over U.S. Motocross or SX. Just my NSHO...
Absolutely right. Another opinion is simply null and void.

They have totally misaligned their punishment to the crime and in doing so, further exposed their inability to make decisions from the heart/mind, rather than the "rules". A shameful display of bureaucracy. We should remove them entirely from our sport.
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Detroit Dick wrote:
The utterly absurd nature of f*ckwada's handling of this entire case makes anything possible. At this point I'd not be surprised if they suspended Dungey for...
The utterly absurd nature of f*ckwada's handling of this entire case makes anything possible. At this point I'd not be surprised if they suspended Dungey for eating a PBJ in the pits and therefore endangering anyone with and allergy to nuts. I'm all for a level playing field but those wada folks gotta go. Regardless of AMA or Felt's need for "international" cred WADA has no business having any power over U.S. Motocross or SX. Just my NSHO...
Don't be silly, there's not many people on Vital allergic to Dungey's nuts! Woohoo

I am one of the .001%'s though... oh well. Tongue
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Detroit Dick wrote:
The utterly absurd nature of f*ckwada's handling of this entire case makes anything possible. At this point I'd not be surprised if they suspended Dungey for...
The utterly absurd nature of f*ckwada's handling of this entire case makes anything possible. At this point I'd not be surprised if they suspended Dungey for eating a PBJ in the pits and therefore endangering anyone with and allergy to nuts. I'm all for a level playing field but those wada folks gotta go. Regardless of AMA or Felt's need for "international" cred WADA has no business having any power over U.S. Motocross or SX. Just my NSHO...
Best thing Ive read all day. Agreed 100%
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Last 2 nationals, USGP, and then brings the trophy home for the US at MXDN. Let's do it JS7!
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This late in the season he will probably finish no better than 5th.

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You guys need to work on your reading comprehension skills. "Could raise the ire" does not mean he's not allowed to ride on his own property.....
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davistld01 wrote:
Come on, dude. You've been here a while. I guarantee you've heard more retarded things than that.
hahaha, thanks for my new signature line, fits this place perfectly
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Waffles, I LOVE how you reference a legit article in arguably the industry's most regarded publication, but yet, that's "retarded" or you're an idiot and just...
Waffles, I LOVE how you reference a legit article in arguably the industry's most regarded publication, but yet, that's "retarded" or you're an idiot and just spitting nonsense. Never mind in plain English with proper punctuation, you pose a scenario, question or what if situation, never presented as fact and you're essentially ganged up on. Gotta love this place and people's inability to read and comprehend, even when its right in front of them. Morans!!
kongols wrote:
It's NOT true. He's banned from competing in sports events. He can practice all he want's. Just because RX wrote it does not make it true...
It's NOT true. He's banned from competing in sports events. He can practice all he want's. Just because RX wrote it does not make it true. Moran.
And it's not a legit article with facts. It's Weegies thoughts and even he's not sure. He heard it somewhere and passed it along. Few on Vital heard it and made it a fact.
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Point proven sir or should I say Moran! Where did I say it was true? Where did I say it was factual?
English is not my native language but isn't the insult supposed to be MorON?

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No need to get ontopic btw because nobody really was....
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Punt wada, and the FIM for that matter. "Raise the ire" for riding at home? Who the f do these guys think they are , honestly.
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It would be a smart PR move. Since James has been mentioned about as much as my darkest memory, He could use a little exposure going into Oct.
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From the 2015 FIM WADA Code:

10.12.2 Return to Training

As an exception to Article 10.12.1, a Rider may return to train with a team or to use the
facilities of a club or other member organization of FIM’s member organization during the
shorter of: (1) the last two months of the Rider’s period of Ineligibility, or (2) the last onequarter
of the period of Ineligibility imposed.

[Comment to Article 10.12.2: In many Team Sports and some individual sports (e.g., ski
jumping and gymnastics), a Rider cannot effectively train on his/her own so as to be ready to
compete at the end of the Rider’s period of Ineligibility. During the training period described in
this Article, an Ineligible Rider may not compete or engage in any activity described in Article
10.12.1 other than training.]
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could he run the gp at glen helen?
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I thought he was doing some australian race in the fall?
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Cadpro18 wrote:
From the 2015 FIM WADA Code: 10.12.2 Return to Training As an exception to Article 10.12.1, a Rider may return to train with a team or...
From the 2015 FIM WADA Code:

10.12.2 Return to Training

As an exception to Article 10.12.1, a Rider may return to train with a team or to use the
facilities of a club or other member organization of FIM’s member organization during the
shorter of: (1) the last two months of the Rider’s period of Ineligibility, or (2) the last onequarter
of the period of Ineligibility imposed.

[Comment to Article 10.12.2: In many Team Sports and some individual sports (e.g., ski
jumping and gymnastics), a Rider cannot effectively train on his/her own so as to be ready to
compete at the end of the Rider’s period of Ineligibility. During the training period described in
this Article, an Ineligible Rider may not compete or engage in any activity described in Article
10.12.1 other than training.]
WOW!!!! over stepping boundries much? ...wonder if the FiM forgot that this is the US and not a communist country. and how could they even attempt to try and monitor "training" especially if he is on his own property and his own private track...That ^^^^^^^ my friends is Bullshit.
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mxer512 wrote:
WOW!!!! over stepping boundries much? ...wonder if the FiM forgot that this is the US and not a communist country. and how could they even attempt...
WOW!!!! over stepping boundries much? ...wonder if the FiM forgot that this is the US and not a communist country. and how could they even attempt to try and monitor "training" especially if he is on his own property and his own private track...That ^^^^^^^ my friends is Bullshit.
I read that as he can train only. But, posting videos could be construed as more than training since it promotes products and businesses from which he receives financial benefits.
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mxer512 wrote:
WOW!!!! over stepping boundries much? ...wonder if the FiM forgot that this is the US and not a communist country. and how could they even attempt...
WOW!!!! over stepping boundries much? ...wonder if the FiM forgot that this is the US and not a communist country. and how could they even attempt to try and monitor "training" especially if he is on his own property and his own private track...That ^^^^^^^ my friends is Bullshit.
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I read that as he can train only. But, posting videos could be construed as more than training since it promotes products and businesses from which...
I read that as he can train only. But, posting videos could be construed as more than training since it promotes products and businesses from which he receives financial benefits.
They have to go. This is taking it way, way too far.
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Cadpro18 wrote:
From the 2015 FIM WADA Code: 10.12.2 Return to Training As an exception to Article 10.12.1, a Rider may return to train with a team or...
From the 2015 FIM WADA Code:

10.12.2 Return to Training

As an exception to Article 10.12.1, a Rider may return to train with a team or to use the
facilities of a club or other member organization of FIM’s member organization during the
shorter of: (1) the last two months of the Rider’s period of Ineligibility, or (2) the last onequarter
of the period of Ineligibility imposed.

[Comment to Article 10.12.2: In many Team Sports and some individual sports (e.g., ski
jumping and gymnastics), a Rider cannot effectively train on his/her own so as to be ready to
compete at the end of the Rider’s period of Ineligibility. During the training period described in
this Article, an Ineligible Rider may not compete or engage in any activity described in Article
10.12.1 other than training.]
Since this may be hard to comprehend for some people, here's a translation:

"Stewart can train by himself whenever he wants, as long as he's not training with his team or at any facilities controlled by the FIM. He can return to training with his team towards the end of his suspension. He may not compete in any event until his suspension is over"

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